28 september 2015 versus 20 september 617
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Do you have some medical problem?
O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard (against evil). 2183
2184 Fast for a specified number of days, but if any one among you is ill or on a journey, let him fast the same number of days later. For those who can fast only with extreme difficulty, there is a way to compensatethe feeding of a needy person. But he who does good of his own accord shall be well rewarded; but to fast is better for you, if you only knew.
2185 The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful.
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AND IF My servants ask thee about Me - behold, I am near; I respond to the call of him who calls, whenever he calls unto Me let them, then, respond unto Me, and believe in Me, so that they might follow the right way.2187 IT IS lawful for you to go in unto your wives during the night preceding the fast they are as a garment for you, and you are as a garment for them. God is aware that you would have deprived yourselves of this right, and so He has turned unto you in His mercy and removed this hardship from you. Now, then, you may lie with them skin to skin, and avail yourselves of that which God has ordained for you, and eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of dawn against the blackness of night, and then resume fasting until nightfall; but do not lie with them skin to skin when you are about to abide in meditation in houses of worship. These are the bounds set by God do not, then, offend against them - it is thus that God makes clear His messages unto mankind, so that they might remain conscious of Him.
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VERILY, for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are patient in adversity, and all men and women who humble themselves , and all men and women who give in charity, and all self-denying men and self-denying women, and all men and women who are mindful of their chastity, and all men and women who remember God unceasingly for them has God readied forgiveness of sins and a mighty reward.589
GOD will not take you to task for oaths which you may have uttered without thought, but He will take you to task for oaths which you have sworn in earnest. Thus, the breaking of an oath must be atoned for by feeding ten needy persons with more or less the same food as you are wont to give to your own families, or by clothing them, or by freeing a human being from bondage; and he who has not the wherewithal shall fast for three days . This shall be the atonement for your oaths whenever you have sworn . But be mindful of your oaths!' Thus God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might have cause to be grateful.595
O ye who believe! Kill not game while in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. If any of you doth so intentionally, the compensation is an offering, brought to the Ka'ba, of a domestic animal equivalent to the one he killed, as adjudged by two just men among you; or by way of atonement, the feeding of the indigent; or its equivalent in fasts that he may taste of the penalty of his deed. God forgives what is past for repetition God will exact from him the penalty. For God is Exalted, and Lord of Retribution.al-Baqarah 2185
So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting,
inu It's called
inu a NEW MOON
inu CCause it's like a new moon is being
inu Formed
foxy then I dont even know what this 10 days thing is
inu And then fills up and then wanes away
inu So from one to the other is a MOON
inu People have been
inu Using this
inu Terminology
inu And measurement
inu Since TIME IMMEMORIAL
foxy saw a girl talking outside had pregnant belly and I went AHGH
foxy some version of ugh
foxy yeah
foxy I cant even read
foxy what they are writing
inu Hahaha
foxy its so long and weird and I don't know what they are saying
foxy but they are all apparently
inu Hahahahahahaha oh
foxy deeply convinced
inu That
inu REMINDS ME
foxy why not just FORGET ABOUT FASTING
inu Of
inu What they say about
inu What YOU WRITE
inu We're all BLOCKED
inu From understanding
inu Certain things a certain way
foxy haha yeah totally I feel the same way
foxy just like their eyes cross at my writing
foxy my eyes cross at their writing
foxy I can't even read it
foxy I don't LIE and claim I read it though
inu Haha, yeah
inu That's kind of like why I never really
inu Read much of the bible
inu It's just
inu Soooooo boring
inu And long
inu And has
inu Dumb stuff in it
inu Wrong things
inu Glaringly
inu BAd things
inu But that would be fun at least
inu If it was
inu More Packed
inu Action packed
inu Or something
inu Like if it was just all these funny violent injustices
inu In a row
inu That would be great
inu But it has to be written in the most LONG BORING MANNER POSSIBLE
inu With all this filler inbetween
inu And nothing happening
foxy Saum is for thre days= length in with full moon appears full.Saum is individual and occurs in ramadhan
Hajj is collective. Hajj is a collective feast during 3 days.
Hajj has two objectives. Nourish soul and body of poors.
So to give food (safa=livestck) and drinks (marwa).
and to give spiritual food by teachnings and debate.
foxy http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607570.msg369870#msg369870 see they make it so hard to read
foxy quoting from freaking LUKE?
inu Hahahahah WHAT?
inu Hajj is a GROUP FEAST FOR THREE DAYS?
inu Not a HAJJ?
inu Not a pilgrimage to anywehre
inu HAha
foxy hahah
inu HAha but yeah
inu I guess
inu There is
inu Givingg meat to the poor
foxy their religion is so weird and corrupt
foxy just make stuff out of nowhere entirely
foxy and claim there is some rationale
inu Give spiritual food by teachings and debate
inu Hahaha
inu It's not even about that being such a bad idea
foxy I'll give spiritual food by shoving donuts in your mouth
inu But this systemy
inu Making stuff up
inu Crap
inu As if that's being said there
foxy haha yeah
inu Hahahahaha
foxy like
foxy if you have an idea
foxy just SAY IT
inu SHoving doughnuts
foxy why do you have to lie about the Qur'an
inu SIDEWAYS
inu So their tongue
inu Goes through the hole
inu Hahahaha quoting Luke
inu As Einstein said, the sublime truth should be both elegant and beautiful...
inu I have a tendency to accept explanations of truth that are simple and graceful.
inu Thank you for this elaborate study which FEELS right...
inu Peace
inu Hahahahahahaha
foxy hahahaha
inu HAhaha I'm trying to read this out loud and laughing
foxy hahahahaha
foxy its extremely funny that way
inu HAHAHA 2-197 is not saying before they were wrong here.
inu Hahahaha TORAH seems clear that first month is in spring
inu WHO CARES??!!
inu HAhahaha HAJJ OCCURS IN THE 4
inu in 28-27, hijaj (plural of hajj) is used to indicate unit of time. (8 hijajs or 10 hijaj)
inu so, as unit should not change to bo a good unit, it seems likely to say that a hajj unit of time is quarter.
inu HAHAHAH
inu Haha practicality and simplicity?
inu What about what the Qur'an says?
inu Why does SIMPLE matter
inu And what even is 'simple'?
inu IS
inu THIS CRAP
inu REALLY MORE SIMPLE THAN
inu SAYIN
inu ONE MONTH A YEAR?
inu CAUSE IT ACTUALLY SEEMS MORE COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING
inu It kind of reminds me of OCCAM'S RAzOR
inu Why is SIMPLICITY
inu Desired?
inu It doesn't have to be SIMPLE
inu But AS IT HAPPENS
inu YES IT IS PRETTY DAMN SIMPLE
inu The Qur'an calls to balance, I would say that as far as time measure is concerned, the balance is reached at equinoxes, obviously. That would be the fixing I would be more satisfied with in terms of reason and feeling.
inu HAhaha SHUT THE FUCK U
inu Does the Qur'an CALL TO BALANCE?
inu Where does it do that?
inu Does it say we have to fast when the day is always this length
inu Or blah blah
inu That people in different
inu LATITUDES
inu Or whatevver
inu MUST HAVE
inu THE SAME FAST TIME
inu DOIGN EQUAL EFFORT
inu Does it say anything about FAIRNESS?
inu IS THE WORLD
inu FAIR?
inu ALL THE SUDDEN
inu This is the same balance shit you were talking about
inu Ruth tendency
inu To say it's the same or should be the same
inu It involves even perhaps some OCD sort of desir
inu e
inu For
inu Symmetry
inu But the world is NOT
inu Symmetrical
inu It's not all orderly or balanced like this
inu The world is
inu The WORD IS
inu Whatever the hell ALLAH SAYS
inu Which doesn't have to beFAIR
inu Or follow ANY RULES AT ALL
inu Haha noshirk
inu Nice name
inu As to the qadr part, I also tend to agree. Qadr, stems from what I would deem "capacity", which is a measure and related to power because capacity is where we can or we cannot with respect to something. In this sense white related to the mizan, the balance which is fundamental in God's creation and which should rule our behaviour. In a way I could understand that leilat al qdr is when we reach the
inu balance, the inner and outer balance with God's power and ourselves, where we integrate.
inu HAHAHAHAHA
inu Trying to read this stuff out loud is really funny
inu As you said, when measuring we use something equivalent
inu Point Taken.
inu HAHA
inu They all talk so weird
inu HAhahaha ten inhalations and exhalations25 63 -
Then, Salaam Brother
May Allah guide us all
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Then, Salaam Brother
May Allah guide us all
I was asking if you have some medical problem that makes you feel that it might be helpful to reduce the number of fasts or something? I wasn't meaning a mental problem, I meant like some health issue that doesn't allow an easy month of fasting or anything.
I copy pasted a conversation going on, I'm not "inu", but it seemed to be on the same topic so I wanted to show it.
In the meantime that bunch of quotes was from the Qur'an which I had shown a member of this forum, by going to www.islamawakened.com/quran and using the search function to type in Ramadan, Fasting, and whatever, it has a pretty nice search engine and shows multiple translations of the Qur'an including transliteration and literal word for word translation too.
It seemed to say that there is a month of fasting though and people have been practicing it that way for maybe over a thousand years now. I don't know how safe it is to fall short in this regard, I think it is safer to exceed standards.
Are you quoting that verse and then saying "salaam" to me to place me as an "ignorant one" or "foolish one" addressing you?
I was not mocking you when I was asking if you had a medical condition, I asked because you mentioned a reduction in days or a small amount of days if one has a medical condition, so I asked if you have a medical condition.
I didn't mean to seem ignorant by asking that and quoting the Qur'an and sharing with you a conversation I thought had some interesting points in it like about the fairness issue.
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Are you OK?
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Peace all,
Here is an article (in French) that exposes the same ideas as brother noshirk but in a more detailed manner (for the arguments part) and with more mockery and sarcasm for the "translation parts"
http//nawaat.org/portail/2015/04/15/calendriers-et-fetes-religieuses-dans-le-coran/
I must say that my heart and mind are both on track with those explanations.
I'll be fasting 10 days starting 28th of September 2015.May Allah guide us all
Excellente lecture cher Hannibal.
il y a aussi MuslimADieu sur agoravox.fr du m?me groupe. group
je te recommande son article sur l'enfer. Cheikh Dukhani h?site ? en parler. Et c'est trop dur ? exposer ici en anglais.Peace
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Excellente lecture cher Hannibal.
il y a aussi MuslimADieu sur agoravox.fr du m?me groupe. group
je te recommande son article sur l'enfer. Cheikh Dukhani h?site ? en parler. Et c'est trop dur ? exposer ici en anglais.Peace
Ah vous parlez Francais, je parle Francais aussi )
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Salut theNabster;
IL y a beaucoup qui parle le Francais ici .
Moi ,je trouve la traduction Francaise du Qoran interessante. Par example
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Quand ceux qui croient en nos r?v?lations viennent ? toi, tu diras ? Salamoun ?Alaykoum (Que la paix soit sur vous). Votre Seigneur a d?cr?t? que la mis?ricorde est Son attribut. Ainsi, quiconque parmi vous commet une transgression par ignorance, et se repent apr?s cela, et se r?forme, alors Il est Pardonnant, le Plus Mis?ricordieux. ?Sorry for the off topic brothers and sisters.
GOD bless.
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Peace good logic
I did read the translation by Turkish Hamidullah, but it was ages ago, before I became critical of what I was reading,
my attitude now is always read the Arabic first and foremost, as I am lucky to know it, even if I haven't used it for a very long time, but it comes back when I read or hear it.
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Salam all!
I did fast the 28, 29 and 30 of September.
Interestingly for me, I was born on 27/09/1958, and there was a full moon then too, maybe a Sign for me?
More interesting that would make me 57 years's old on 27/09/1958, and (out of curiosity)
57 = 3 X 19.
Am I being too self-centric to see this as a test?
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Request for comments
I am trying to follow Ramadan based on
Equinox
Lunisolar calendar with Rabi'i 1 locked as March & full moon meaning ShahrIn September the full moon falls night of 16/09/2016.
this correspondence
1 Muarram January
2 afar February
3 Rab al-awwal March
4 Rab ath-thn April
5 Jumd? al-l? May
6 Jumd? al-khirah June
7 Rajab July
8 Shabn August
9 Raman September
10 Shawwl October
11 Dh al-Qadah November
12 Dh al-ijjah December
seems to make sense, using the idea at the beginning of the thread by locking Ramadan as 20 September 617 and using a lunisolar calendar from then on.
Will then Ramadan be the full moon of September?
I will be fasting 17/18 & 19 as I did last year 28/29/30 September
Wikipedia references meanings of the months -
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar
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Excellente lecture cher Hannibal.
il y a aussi MuslimADieu sur agoravox.fr du m?me groupe. group
je te recommande son article sur l'enfer. Cheikh Dukhani h?site ? en parler. Et c'est trop dur ? exposer ici en anglais.Peace
I agree o the equinoxasthe time of ramadan.It makes all sense.
Salaam