On intuition and false prophets

hicham9

The Qurn was not "revealed" in (what we call) "Classical Arabic" (but in an* Arabian tongue).

CA was formulated by (post-qurnic) Ajamites (e.g., Sb/Sibawayh); !

~ Both the script and vocabulary (of the Qurn) bespeak an Aramean origin

indefinite

@hicham9 What makes you think Hijaz has any place in Qurans revelation except sectarian delusions?

Whatever happened to the false "Mecca" & "al-Madnah" al-MuZawwarah!

FreedomStands

Have you read 478

Yes, I did read 478 followed by 479 (ie. in context), I also read 4230 (which you failed to address in your reply), &c.
Matter of fact is, I read the whole Quran, multiple times, in its original language. & I still do, and shall, G-D willing, read it again and again and again, until I return back to my One Master/Owner.

The Quran taught me that G-D is Omnibenevolent.
The root of all evil is NOT G-D but Iblys.
Hence, to my discernment, your malevolent "god" is none other than hybris.

You're foisting your irrational megrims on the Quran,
and your translations are inauthentic !

Plz, don't waste my time.

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and you cannot elude Him on earth, and you will have none to protect you from God, and none to bring you succour.

God controls even what evil befalls a person from their own hands, it said so clearly "All is from God" and then even "whatever evil befalls you in your own selves, written in a decree before We bring it into existence " and then to top it off it says "and you can not will it, except as Allah wills it" meaning that you can't even will things unless Allah wills them, and even more the Qur'an clearly has stated repeatedly that Allah misleads, and step by step leads people astray and harms them too. Iblis can't do anything, he is an enemy and an ambitious one but there are many enemies and Shaitans and villains.

Are you denying "All is from God"? Even what your hands earn and send forth to your destruction? I mean what are you arguing? The Qur'an even says "we will punish them by your hands" and the control there. Iblis can not do anything on his own, he even says so

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(Iblis) said "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-

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And when Satan made their deeds seem fair to them and said No-one of mankind can conquer you this day, for I am your protector. But when the armies came in sight of one another, he took flight, saying Lo! I am guiltless of you. Lo! I see that which ye see not. Lo! I fear Allah. And Allah is severe in punishment.

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Like the Shaitan when he says to man Disbelieve, but when he disbelieves, he says I am surely clear of you; surely I fear Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

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It is only the Shaitan that causes you to fear from his friends, but do not fear them, and fear Me if you are believers.

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On the day when it befalleth in earnest, and they are ordered to prostrate themselves but are not able,

With eyes downcast, abasement stupefying them. And they had been summoned to prostrate themselves while they were yet unhurt.

Are you sure I'm wasting your time? Is it that your time is such that it shouldn't be spent discussing these things with me?

You deny the existence of jinn, you deny the Earth is round, you do not perform salat, you suggest I am a follower of Iblis, you don't fast and you mock the fasting people (with that funny Ramadan Mubarak joke for example).

You've for whatever reason adopted the habits of the Jews in saying "G-D" rather than God or GOD or GoD or any variant.

You suggest that people are in the wrong for doing those things

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Those that turn (to Allah) in repentance; that serve Him, and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the cause of Allah, that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limit set by Allah;- (These do rejoice). So proclaim the glad tidings to the Believers.

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And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise.

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Hence, who could be more wicked than those who bar the mention of God's name from His houses of worship and strive for their ruin, they have no right to enter them save in fear ? For them, in this world, there is ignominy in store; and for them, in the life to come, awesome suffering.

G-d?

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The Shaitan only desires to cause enmity and hatred to spring in your midst by means of intoxicants and games of chance, and to keep you off from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. Will you then desist?

I am the follower of Iblis for stating that "All is from God" as the Qur'an says to say? I'm the follower of Iblis for saying that God controls everything, good and evil?

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Say I do not control for myself any harm, or any benefit except what Allah wills; every nation has a term; when their term comes, they shall not then remain behind for an hour, nor can they go before (their time).

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Say I do not control any benefit or harm for my own soul except as Allah wills; and had I known the unseen I would have had much of good and no evil would have touched me; I am nothing but a warner and the giver of good news to a people who believe.

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and that it is He alone who causes to laugh and to weep;

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And do not call besides Allah on that which can neither benefit you nor harm you, for if you do then surely you will in that case be of the unjust.

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No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah

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Say Nothing will afflict us save what Allah has ordained for us; He is our Patron; and on Allah let the believers rely.

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Lo! Conspiracy is only of the devil, that he may vex those who believe; but he can harm them not at all unless by Allah's leave. In Allah let believers put their trust.

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Will not Allah defend His slave? Yet they would frighten thee with those beside Him (that Iblis is the power of evil). He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide.

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And whom Allah guides, there is none that can lead him astray; is not Allah Mighty, the Lord of retribution?

Not clear enough? Wasting your time?

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And who could be more wicked than he to whom his Sustainer?s messages are conveyed and who thereupon turns away from them? Verily, We shall inflict Our retribution on those who are lost in sin!

Yet you're the good friend of "G-D" apparently, that you have some private lessons from such which tell you that I'm a follower of Iblis?

I worship the Lord of Devils, the Ruler of Evil, the Greatest and Mightiest Satan (Adversary) that can be, the one that can not be defeated, it isn't Iblis.

Correct me in my religion if there is a problem and you have any compassion.

FreedomStands

In addition, how can you claim "omni-benevolence" when clearly evil exists in the world and is not abolished?

Would you be considered "benevolent" if you watched a child be raped and mutilated and did nothing when you easily could?

What excuses can you make?

What partner powers are there? Is something restraining God? Is God incapable of acting against evil? Is God disabled by some power? Can things be created and exist without God? So that Iblis creates things that God didn't?

What blasphemy will you choose to justify your statements or the reality of things (which perhaps you are barely aware of, since the Earth is flat after all).

Is it that there are many creators besides God? Or just one creator besides God that creates evil while God only does good yet is so apparently good that evil is allowed to flourish and children are allowed to be raped and mutilated up the wazoo (its their own fault of course?).

I'm the senseless one? I'm the one presenting things which don't correspond with sense or reality?

What about this

Isaiah 457
I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and create evil I the LORD do all these things.

Isaiah 520
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. (Are you claiming evil is Good? Do you know what "omni" means? How does evil exist at all if "Omni" benevolence exists?)

Deuteronomy 3239
"See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I wound and I heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.

So where is this omni-benevolent one you speak of? Certainly evil would not and could not exist or be permitted if omni-benevolence existed, that is why it is logically and realistically a lie to claim omni-benevolence exists, omni would overcome everything else.

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But I will show you whom you should fear Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Matthew 1028
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Hebrews 1031
It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Exodus 101
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them

FreedomStands

If the Qur'an and the Bible isn't to your taste, how about http//www.shaivam.org/hipgodco.htm

FreedomStands

18.66 Abandon all varieties of systems and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.

"Tell me who are You in such a fierce form? My salutations to You, O best of gods, be merciful! I wish to understand You, the primal Being, because I do not know Your mission.

The Supreme Lord said I am death, the mighty destroyer of the world, out to destroy. Even without your participation all the warriors standing arrayed in the opposing armies shall cease to exist.

Therefore, get up and attain glory. Conquer your enemies and enjoy a prosperous kingdom. All these (warriors) have already been destroyed by Me. You are only an instrument, O Arjuna.

Bhagavad Gita, chapter 11, verses 31-33"

mmkhan

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(Iblis) said "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-

Peace brother,

If you understand alQuraan/alKitaab in translations/interpretations you will end up with such understandings as quoted above.
Where is the power mentioned in that aayat? Does izzat means power? Please check Arabic and multiple translations before saying any lie on Allah.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Man_of_Faith

Hello FreedomStands,

You deny the existence of jinn, you deny the Earth is round, you do not perform salat, you suggest I am a follower of Iblis, you don't fast and you mock the fasting people (with that funny Ramadan Mubarak joke for example).

I deny the existence of the supernatural jinn, I do not do salat, I do not fast too. Am I a kafar?

I am the follower of Iblis for stating that "All is from God" as the Qur'an says to say? I'm the follower of Iblis for saying that God controls everything, good and evil?

All is from the Rabb or sustained/upheld by the Rabb, but we are responsible for our own thoughts and thinking. But it was the Rabb that created these human bodies so if we do things instinctive and are clouded by our bodies then in a way it was because of the Rabb, but it is our fault giving in to that trap.

You cannot however not follow something that does not exist. Neither Ebless nor Shaytaan are any animate beings. Ebless is just used as an ordinary word in the text. Shaytaan refers to one's instinctive drive.

Be well

FreedomStands

Peace brother,

If you understand alQuraan/alKitaab in translations/interpretations you will end up with such understandings as quoted above.
Where is the power mentioned in that aayat? Does izzat means power? Please check Arabic and multiple translations before saying any lie on Allah.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

So its a lie that we operate by Allah's power and that "All is from God"?

FreedomStands

Hello FreedomStands,

I deny the existence of the supernatural jinn, I do not do salat, I do not fast too. Am I a kafar?

All is from the Rabb or sustained/upheld by the Rabb, but we are responsible for our own thoughts and thinking. But it was the Rabb that created these human bodies so if we do things instinctive and are clouded by our bodies then in a way it was because of the Rabb, but it is our fault giving in to that trap.

You cannot however not follow something that does not exist. Neither Ebless nor Shaytaan are any animate beings. Ebless is just used as an ordinary word in the text. Shaytaan refers to one's instinctive drive.

Be well

By the mainstream Muslim standards you are not meeting the qualifications of a Muslim which are generally those 5 pillars they usually talk about at the very least, according to them.

Besides the Hadith, generally the mainstream Muslims believe the following

The Qur'an is the word of God, sent in Arabic, inspired in Muhammed through Gabriel.
That there are angels, generally believed to be winged beings who can take human forms and are the servants of God.
That there are the jinn, who are some kind of creature that are not angels or humans.
That there is paradise and hellfire, that the paradise is a place of Earthy pleasures and the hellfire is a place of physical torment through fire and other tortures.
That the prophets were good people who said and did good things and were sincere and kindly.
That there were many prophets sent to a variety of civilizations throughout time and that Islam was the only religion promoted by them (and generally imagined to be something similar to the Islam practiced today by the mainstream Muslims which included worship and monotheism).
That there is only one God, who is not a human.
Standard worship 5 times a day.
Fasting every day for a whole month (Ramadan).
Going to Hajj and performing many of the usual rituals.
That Iblis was a Jinn who is now called Shaitan but that there are other evil adversaries among the humans and the jinn.

and stuff like that. People who don't believe in or follow most of those practices are not considered Muslims by the mainstream or maybe by others who consider themselves Muslims.

I'm mainly only disqualified by extremist kinds of Muslims and maybe some others by thinking many parts of the Hadith are blasphemous but generally I get around too much trouble by stating what the Hadiths are historically.

I don't follow many of the Hadith rulings like keeping a beard or whatever, but for centuries this was not common in the Muslim world anyway since Turks for example traditionally kept mustaches without beards sometimes and a variety of fashions.

I do qualify as a mainstream Muslim though pretty much by most standards besides those who think Islam requires a beard or whatever.

I think you're on a spiritual journey of discovery as you continue to learn and translate the Qur'an with your method and things like that.

The physical exercises or expression (practiced by the Jesuit Order even) is one of the main things that "feels" if anything like it might be a missing component that differentiates a philosophy from a religious practice maybe.

Did you see those videos I showed somewhere that had the Buddhist, Sikh, and Mormon talk about the way they pray?

Man_of_Faith

I rather disqualify as a muslim than live a life in lies. Peer pressure is one's downfall.

Be well

FreedomStands

I rather disqualify as a muslim than live a life in lies. Peer pressure is one's downfall.

Be well

True no matter what, since if one is good merely because others around them are good it doesn't mean they are actually a good person (placed in different conditions they might freely do evil if there are others around them who are supporters), and if its peer pressure to do bad that wins out, then that is obviously bad too.

I disqualify in the eyes of many people as many things, and maybe qualify as many things too, but the eyes of people are crossed worse than a Siamese cat or Barbara Streisand, so it doesn't matter much anyway.

At the end of the day, I want to be safe, secure, healthy, happy, powerful, protected, free, untroubled, humorous, beautiful, serene, and satisfied.

I try to achieve that in the immediate, and in all experiences, and so my mind thinks of how that isn't being achieved perhaps and how to achieve it; what I call "Strategies".

What are the causes of suffering, how can they be alleviated without the elimination of experience.

What makes me happy truly and lastingly, how shall I go about achieving that sensation.

What really satisfies me, how to achieve longer lasting satisfaction.

If a person's mind starts operating and problem solving about these greater issues in life, perhaps they will accomplish something for their own pleasure and benefit while they have time.

hicham9

Salute @M0F.

... Ebless is just used as an ordinary word in the text. Shaytaan refers to one's instinctive drive.

The above is your personal understanding (not mine).

That said, I've got a question for you.

Who's to blame for the degrading "fruit" between your legs?

Is it

G-D?
Adem & his mate?
Something else? (identify)

SLM

Man_of_Faith

It is my understanding yes.

What is the point with your question? Rhetoric?

Be well

hicham9

It is my understanding yes.

Good.

You're entitled to your own view/opinion/understanding, as I am.

What is the point with your question? Rhetoric?

You're dodging!

To figure out the motive behind my question, you'll have to actually answer it first.
Or is my question just too stupid to be answered?

Be well

Be well as well.

Man_of_Faith

Honestly I did not understand your elusive question.

hicham9

Honestly I did not understand your elusive question.

Then, read it again!

Who's to blame for the degrading "fruit" between your legs?

Is it

G-D?
Adem & his mate?
Something else? (identify)

Man_of_Faith

Unfortunately it needs clarification before I can choose an alternative.

Man_of_Faith

If you meant the seeds of the individual which are used to initiate life then it is themselves who grow out of those seeds that are responsible for becoming bad fruit.

Number 3.

Be well

hicham9

Honestly I did not understand your elusive question.

Unfortunately it needs clarification before I can choose an alternative.

The question is crystal clear, short and straightforward!
What's elusive is your answer @M0F.

If you meant the seeds of the individual which are used to initiate life then it is themselves who grow out of those seeds that are responsible for becoming bad fruit. Number 3.

Actually, by "fruit" I meant the subversive "organ" between your legs.

Man_of_Faith

Sorry. The question is not crystal clear. What is "degrading fruit" between your legs in the first place as a term which is the elusive about it.

If it refers to the aging of the private parts then it is the Rabb who put the contradiction that way.

Be well