:: New thought on Ramadhaan! ::
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Allah did not intend hardship for you but He wants you to complete the period and to glorify Him for that which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful. hail
Salaam mmkhan
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Brother BIKUM is translated as for you whereas it should be with you.
As far as I can recall in Arabic LAKUM means "for you".Peace
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Peace all,
I agree with you 2187 has nothing to do with food it is all about relation with spouse during night of ramadan.
please refer to http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607525.msg369849#msg369849
In bold all words related to the relation with the spouse during the night!!!!
Permitted to you on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments. And ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah hath ordained for you and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are limits (set by) Allah; approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His signs to men that they may learn self-restraint.
Read again the verse and see
1- Introduction (what are we talking about)
Permitted to you on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives
2-Explanation
They are your garments. And ye are their garments
3-Back ground (what was the situation before)
Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you;
4-Permission given- new resolution from now on, eat and drink is another way to say "enjoy"
so now associate with them, and seek what Allah hath ordained for you and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread;
5-Conclusion and set the interdiction to not approach wives while doing saum
then complete your fast till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are limits (set by) Allah; approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His signs to men that they may learn self-restraint.Peace
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peace mmkhan,
Your translation of 2185 states (underline mine)
A limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of days. And upon those who are able - a ransom of feeding a poor person. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.The underlined part clearly implies that at least one of the previous options mentioned does not involve fasting/abstinence. Thus your understanding below does not seem to fit
A person who is able but not doing Saum has to feed a miskeen and also has to complete the count in other days. And those who are ill or on a journey and not able to do Saum, then they just have to complete the count in other days. Option of feeding a miskeen is not for them.
= Colloquial, an ordinary language, informal speech.
Evidence?
According to your logic, since in 1926 Mary spoke, speaking has nothing to do with sawm/abstinence. In any case, if you disagree, this subject was discussed in some detail here
http//salaatforum.com/index.php-id=481.htmlIn my view, a better translation of masajid in 2187 can be found here http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-quran.html
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Dear Wakas,
According to your logic, since in 1926 Mary spoke, speaking has nothing to do with sawm/abstinence. In any case, if you disagree, this subject was discussed in some detail here
http//salaatforum.com/index.php-id=481.html1926
"So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man say `I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being.' "No talk = no talking about any futility, day to day problems etc.., if someone come to you for arguing you can answer "I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being"
This is a kind of retreat meditation, like some monks still does nowadays.
Peace
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Dear Wakas,
1926
"So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man say `I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being.' "No talk = no talking about any futility, day to day problems etc.., if someone come to you for arguing you can answer "I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being"
This is a kind of retreat meditation, like some monks still does nowadays.
Peace
According to Hadiths reports, which I don't find any reason denying, the Prophet was said to retire a few days in the mosque in Ramadan for what they call i3tikaf, if interested look into it.
Peace
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peace herbman,
I disagree, or at least, insufficient evidence so far. I recommend the thread I linked to earlier.
In my view, sawm simply means abstinence, and context will sometimes dictate what is being abstained from. This is also found in classical arabic dictionaries.
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peace herbman,
I disagree, or at least, insufficient evidence so far. I recommend the thread I linked to earlier.
In my view, sawm simply means abstinence, and context will sometimes dictate what is being abstained from. This is also found in classical arabic dictionaries.
Hi,
yes abstain of talk like stated in 1926
Peace
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Salaam mmkhan
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Brother BIKUM is translated as for you whereas it should be with you.
As far as I can recall in Arabic LAKUM means "for you".Peace
Salaam brother,
I agree... I just copy pasted the translation with very minor changes.
Thanks for the correction.Peace and may Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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peace mmkhan,
Your translation of 2185 states (underline mine)
A limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of days. And upon those who are able - a ransom of feeding a poor person. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.The underlined part clearly implies that at least one of the previous options mentioned does not involve fasting/abstinence. Thus your understanding below does not seem to fit
Peace brother,
You are picking up a part of a sentence. Let me highlight it with colours.
2184
A limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of days. And upon those who are able - a ransom of feeding a poor person. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.
Two types of people mentioned in this aayat.
- Those who are ill or on a journey .
- Those who are ill or on a journey but are able to fast .
This is how I understand this aayat.
Evidence?
) I was sure someone will come up with this )
Hmm.. actually no evidence. That is because the word 'Ramadhaan' is used only once in alQuraan. And if you are seeking evidence from other sources, sorry I personally don't take them as evidence, so cannot quote. I asked Allah to help me understand this word and He guided me to this meaning.
Also I see it does not contradict with the topic. In fact, it fits perfectly.
According to your logic, since in 1926 Mary spoke, speaking has nothing to do with sawm/abstinence. In any case, if you disagree, this subject was discussed in some detail here
http//salaatforum.com/index.php-id=481.htmlThank you for the link, btw I disagree with some of the points mentioned in that article.
Brother speaking is different than communicating. She spoke/said that today I will not communicate with any human.
The Arabic words used in that aayat is below= Say/tell
= CommunicationIn my view, a better translation of masajid in 2187 can be found here http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-quran.html
I know about this article and I saw it long back and didn't remember -[
I will check it out again, inshaAllah. I have no study on this subject yet, so cannot comment.
BTW thanks for the link.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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2184
Two types of people mentioned in this aayat.
- Those who are ill or on a journey .
- Those who are ill or on a journey but are able to fast .
This is how I understand this aayat.
Salute @mmkhan.
Here's my current understanding (of the Quranic passage in question)
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Those who are ill or on a journey and thus can't afford to fast,
are instructed/allowed to compensate/make up for these days during another time. -
Those who are ill or on a journey and can't afford to fast,
are instructed/encouraged to feed a homeless person, by paying a ransom, if they can afford it .
SLM
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Salute @mmkhan.
Here's my current understanding (of the Quranic passage in question)
- Those who are ill or on a journey and thus can't afford to fast, are instructed/allowed to fast during another time.
- Those who are ill or on a journey and can't afford to fast, are encouraged to feed a homeless person (by paying a ransom) if they can afford it.
SLM
Salaam brother,
Thank you for sharing your understanding.
I think at the moment I will be with my understanding, inshaAllah. )May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam brother,
Saah! I agree handshake
May Allah shower His blessing upon you and your family pr
mmKhanIn what way(s) are you two brothers?
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1st ? we share a common Ancestor. Both of us are Adamites .
2nd ? we share a common Guide, the Quran, according to which we are brethren .
3rd ?
.Good answers. Yet if two people differ in their religion, are they really brothers? They may share the same ancestor, but they might be worlds apart.
I think that you and mm probably share a relatively similar religion though.
I would dread being a brother to one in deep error though, except for the genetic ties of course.
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Incredible boldness and a doting God seem to go hand in hand.
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How come you don't want us to address each other as brethren!?
Well it is in the same nature as my being slightly annoyed by all the insincere seeming "peace, peace" and well wishing followed by insults. You guys didn't do that to each other maybe as far as I've read but I mean in other cases. I just noticed "brother" being thrown about lots suddenly, and I wonder about the sincerity in such statements.
Many of you I consider defilers and corrupt, like promoting to each other the abandonment of formal worship and other things, or lying to each other, sometimes with "plausible discourse" or "fancy words" as the Qur'an mentions some people doing. The intentions may be good, but nevertheless, an enemy to me is someone who knowingly or unknowingly is set about in a harmful manner, spreading harmful things.
In that respect, I find that I have no well wishes for evildoers, nor do I really consider them my brethren, as they seem more akin to Satan and of his ilk instead (who they often don't even believe in).
Even so, I would likely offer kindness and things to them, as I do to possibly worse disbelievers and corrupt people in my daily life (just the general availability of whoever is around).
Though, overtly evil people are perhaps not even as evil as the "hypocrites" according to the mainstream interpretations of the Qur'an, who receive the worst penalty of them all. I define "hypocrite" in the Qur'anic usage as those who claim to be Muslim but actually are not (and this may include people who still think they are, but spread lies and corruption or try to turn people away from prayers in a genuine effort). For them is deemed the worst punishment of all.
In my case, wishing people peace would simply be a lie. I do wish that people would listen to me, but like some of the Prophets seemed to have, there is quite a bit of malice I have towards rude and evil people and I don't really wish anything good for them, in fact I hate them quite a bit and wish for their utter demise if they don't repent (kind of like how God might intend perhaps?).
So I don't mind you two calling each other brothers or wishing peace on each other, though I often find it rather insincere and mechanical on this website in many cases, and it may be that you two really are brothers in more ways than one, and may be sharing a similar home in the afterlife, be it good or bad.
The real estate options are generally limited though, Hellfire or Paradise.
I don't do much that anyone could really claim that hellfire is my destiny, though I have no guarantee of paradise either really and God is all powerful and I may be deeply astray in all my actions and demonstrations of compassion and charity and worship.
Yet in the case of you guys, like I mentioned, you've left off the prayers and many other things, and even go so far as promoting the leaving off of such things, then to top it off are often quite rude, even to people like myself, and its possible the list of crimes continue, and then to top it off may be adding with insincere calls of peace and brotherhood while making mischief, even inadvertently.
So of course, I don't know if hell is your destiny or mine, and we're all working for what we are working for, but I think you would be better off following me than where your own thinking has taken you so far.
Of course, that will likely be a request denied, and may or may not to be denied to your own detriment.
Perhaps a better greeting may be, "May hell be the home of all evilness" or something.
"Hi"
"May hell be the home of all evilness, how are you?"
