a few questions about heaven pls help
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Salaam Green Leaves,
As for the virgins of paradise, that's something I myself need to understand upon.
Taj, if the Quran says the men would be married to these virgins and you admit this
The more appealing the Reward, the harder the men would work for it!
If the Reward were to be women-lacking, how many men will you see striving for Jannah?
Then, how does this fit in?
And what is wrong with having company? It doesn't have to be sexual you know.
I don't understand as to why God had to give sexual references to men alone to appeal to the believers. Besides there's another verse that says you'll enter paradise with the righteous among your spouses, parents, children...then if that's the case, you are entering paradise with your spouses, then why do you want virgins on the side?I suppose that in Jannah there would be social relationships as well as intimate relationships. Not all good men have spouses on Earth. And those who do have righteous ones on Earth and managed to reach Jannah together that does not mean, I imagine, that they won't have a choice there to change their spouses. I don't know how the intimate feelings of the Faithful would be in Jannah, but the fact that Allah is telling the men that there are beauties in Jannah, it looks to me like there are unlimited choices there with no offence to the righteous women who will also have unlimited choices as well.
But women in general don't need to be promised with a Reward of men in order to strive for Jannah. We certainly are different than men regarding what we wish and work for. Do you not agree?Taj
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Salaamayn to you, Joe,
I wonder if you can agree that all men do not think alike just like all women do not think alike
Men and people in general can't be all alike, but can you disagree that the difference in preferences between men and women is very clear?
so I would say your method of commenting on these ayaat is not paticularly the best.
Oh!
Taj
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Salaams Joe,
Actually they are not really that apparent. What is seen on the outside is usually there to conform to cultural mores.
It is very apparent to me that men's preferences are different than women's and that is because it is a physiological thing not a cultural.
I would like to see what others here think about that.
Taj
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Salam all,
Joe would be there for the women. I'll be the little man whore.
Thanks for the proposal Joe ! This really reassures me about heaven !
lol
But what I actually liked more was the rest of your post on the root word. Very interesting and acceptable to me.I must admit, I never could imagine a "sexual" heaven. Not because I'm against sex - it's natural. But I think it's for this life.
Now to Taj I don't think that men and women are really different and if they are I think it's mostly cultural, specifically concerning sex. Our personal work as muslims is to dominate and canalyse our pulsions...but in traditional (not only islamic) societies this burden is usually much harder on the girls and there is much more permissiveness for the boys - that's where the cultural differences come from.
A boy living a free sex life and not controlling his pulsions is much more acceptable (even often a kind of hero) to society than a girl who would do the same. So my idea is that the difference is not physiological, women have the same needs and cravings than men, but we are not allowed to express them (if not we would be treated "the word again" oops )and have learned, through cultural pressure to deny much.
What do you think ?
Elke
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Quran never mentions anything about seven levels of hell or heaven. It mentions there being 7 gates to hell, that doesn't mean there are 7 layers. As for heaven, it talks about 7 skies (samawatin), not 7 heavens as in paradise heavens. So where are you guys getting this 7 heaven/hell thing. Hadith? Dantes Inferno?
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I'm always under the impression a massive transformation takes place in humanity before they enter Paradise. This means we arent human anymore, which means all your assumptions are too, well, assumptious, lol.
Think we will be able to eat and drink, but not defecate and urinate, this means no digestive system. The changes we go through I believe wont just be physical, but spiritual/mental too, relationships, societies, all will be completely different I suspect. Why? Simply because we all know it is impossible to create paradise on earth, we know this, human beings just carent capable, they always mess things up. I used to ponder if humans would mess Paradise up, but then realised we wouldnt be human anymore, our capability to destroy things, to feel negative emotions would be erased.
- Will we able to see our loved ones (like our family) in jannah?
There are numerous verses that say we do.
- Allah is going to wed us with the hoors in heaven, then if let's say my wife in this world (i ain't got but i'm talking hypothetically) goes to heaven and if i see her with one, won't I be jealous?
I'm still not sure about this topic either, but have read some interesting replies in this thread. I think the husband and wife only keep themselves busy with each other, and single people will have partners (post-human or from Paradise itself, I dont know), so as to not feel alone.
- What if someone i like more than anything goes to hell. How can I be happy when he/she is suffering?
I've often wondered similar thoughts, about people who dont believe in God but apart from that are good people, who do good deeds. Not believing is the biggest sin however, so are all their deeds for nothing? I've wondered about a purifying that takes place over time in Hell for some people before they are allowed in Paradise, but I'm not sure if that was in the Quran or not. Probably not though.
But this quote was a good answer to that question
You won't be in Jannah until you have accepted Allah's Judgment. Allah is All Just. How can you love someone who consciously insists on disobeying Allah?
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Peace Riz
He is the One who created for you all that is on earth, then He tended to the heaven and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things. (229)
And Hell, for all of those, shall be the appointed place. It has seven gates, for every gate will be an assigned segment from them. (1543-44)
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Peace,
Yea I already adressed those two verses.
For verse 229, its talking about skies.
Huwa allathee khalaqa lakum ma fee al-ardi jameeAAan thumma istawa ila alssama-i fasawwahunna sabAAa samawatin wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemunAs for the one with hell, 7 gates doesn't imply seven layers in anyway.
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Peace Riz
Yea I already adressed those two verses.
Sorry, I did not look at your previous post.
For verse 229, its talking about skies.
Huwa allathee khalaqa lakum ma fee al-ardi jameeAAan thumma istawa ila alssama-i fasawwahunna sabAAa samawatin wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemunIf I am not mistaken, isn't the same word for universes/skies also the same word for heavens?
As for the one with hell, 7 gates doesn't imply seven layers in anyway.
I do not see how you came to this conclusion. IMO "every gate will be an assigned segment from them"(1544) implies different levels/layers.
Also, how can the hypocrites "be in the lowest level of the Fire" (4146) if there aren't any levels/layers in hell?
pz
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Peace,
Yea your right, I didn't see the levels of hell part there.
Samawatin is used for sky as far as I understand. Sky and and universe. Heavens as in universe/space/sky. Afterlife heaven is janaa/janaatin, meaning garden(s). And plus, I don't see why there would be levels of heaven. I can understand levels in hell, but not for heaven. Unless someone could point out a verse in the Quran that says there are layers in heaven, I don't think or believe heaven is seperated in such a manner.
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Salaam All,
Allah is All Fair and All Just, and since sins are not equal in measure, so are the punishments.
We can know the categories of Hell by the different names mentioned in the Quran. They certainly are not one level with different names. I don't think so. In Hell, there is Saqar. There is Jahannam. There is Jaheem.
The same thing can be said about Jannah. There is Al Firdous. There is 3eleyeen. That is what I can remember now from the Quran. I am sure there are other names for other levels but they are escaping my mind at the moment ?Taj
