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    mike789
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    I have noticed that God has established peace and security in those countries which have complete freedom of religion. And then there is insecurity in countries or areas in which there is less religious freedoms. What do you think?

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      I have noticed that God has brought peace and security to those countries where there is complete freedom of religion. And there is chaos and insecurity in countries which does not have freedom of religion. What do you think?

      I think you might be a little dumb or something. Thanks for asking though.

      Do you really think that America feels "secure"? lol, what world are you in?

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        I think you might be a little dumb or something. Thanks for asking though.

        Do you really think that America feels "secure"? lol, what world are you in?

        USA is a huge country. Most of it is very safe compared to Pakistan or Iraq.

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          USA is a huge country. Most of it is very safe compared to Pakistan or Iraq.

          Did you know the majority of the land areas in those countries are also "very safe", as much as America if not more? Consider the space in those countries, and realize that any incidents that occur happen in tiny little areas, not covering big areas, the majority is totally safe, even Afghanistan nothing much is happening. What is happening has been caused by these "free" and "blessed" nations, so what are you talking about and what was your intention even in saying it? Out with it!

          You want to say that that Islam is the cause of American destabilizing those countries and funding violence there for resources and political reasons?

          It is just so annoying to me to go around blaming the victims, saying "Behold, we are superior in power, why has God allowed us to go and kill them, we must be blessed" come on, its so unjust and ugly to say that, that is why I thought its totally dumb and mean besides being a lie, because its America who is constantly spreading fear on the news and a lack of security, nor do the people feel secure in their livelihoods, many are living on the streets as bums too not knowing what will happen next, yet the majority of the land mass is safe, just like anywhere else in the world, or do you imagine that all of Pakistan is covered on bloodshed and bombs? This just comes from a very unrealistic view of reality.

          In short, your point is not a true or good point, and the whole idea behind it is also stupid and vile.

          That the Mighty are Blessed, those they victimize are cursed? That is so sick. That is like the mentality of the people of Lot and the people of Noah. The Qur'an makes a point to show how that it is wrong thinking. The people in power are not always the good ones, its especially worse because those countries are being terrorized by this supposedly blessed nation of security, and to top it off, it isn't even true because most of them are living in peace and there is mostly peace there as well throughout all the Earth, the incidents of battles and wars and bombs occur in tiny areas, and America is rampant with crime, it just isn't announced on the news constantly, there are numerous crimes in every part of the country constantly.

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            I have noticed that God has established peace and security in those countries which have complete freedom of religion. And then there is insecurity in countries or areas in which there is less religious freedoms. What do you think?

            your on to something

            we are commanded to fight and in surah 9 verse 12 to make assualts and slay the pagans whereever we find them. in a country with religous freedom what is a pagan? what is a monothiest? people don't care about religion who wants to look insane or like a serial killer? What is martyrdom in america? if your a solider your killed in america but martyred in say... inida or pakistan.

            we also don't forbid what should be forbidden alcohol the drinking of blood (it's just looked down on), or pork and fornication, america started off punishing by the book killing witches and adultererbut now in todays news that was just religious insanity.

            think not that this peace is good for you it's better to do what ALLAH says is life truly the 9 to 5-er at a coofe shop or the 24/7-er raising cattle and fighting jihad? is life about rules or breaking them? life is your response to the command of ALLAH, just hear and obey it's easier that way you don't know the future you just make guesses while ALLAH writes it.

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              I do concur with your logic- the way you are coming from to express this onto something.

              It is like this
              The end justifies the means or the reverse? which one would you vote for?

              For example, normally no country can touch an American citizen; especially the ones you mentioned, even if that American has committed a crime. US will support until the end or in some case use carrot and stick, to get its citizen out.
              Now does the above means US cares for its citizen So Much!! in which case all citizens living in the US should second that? I doubt..
              Or does it mean that US cares about its build up over years reputation and wont allow any country to undermine it, hence it has an obligation to act, not purely because of the ist reason.

              You could say both reasons may also apply -)

              but yes what you said looks like it on the surface, nothing is done without God's wisdom and approval.
              At the end, you have to decide in your hear, what is the real value of a human irrespective where he she belongs?
              Cheers

              I have noticed that God has established peace and security in those countries which have complete freedom of religion. And then there is insecurity in countries or areas in which there is less religious freedoms. What do you think?

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                Although I do agree that countries like US uphold Quran better than Muslim ones I do not think they are any different from Pakistan when it comes to peace and security. We do have church and mosque vandalism problems and unfortunately, institutions do fire people who try to show proof of intelligent design in the nature. And US is not as secure and peaceful as UAE. Over there we never feared walking on the street at 2am. We never heard of burglary. But here in US, forget about 2am, most people won't even dare to walk outside at 9pm.

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                  Well the US has a much larger population than the UAE and is therefor more likely to have more idiots too especially when gun possession is legal..

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                    Although I do agree that countries like US uphold Quran better than Muslim ones I do not think they are any different from Pakistan when it comes to peace and security. We do have church and mosque vandalism problems and unfortunately, institutions do fire people who try to show proof of intelligent design in the nature. And US is not as secure and peaceful as UAE. Over there we never feared walking on the street at 2am. We never heard of burglary. But here in US, forget about 2am, most people won't even dare to walk outside at 9pm.

                    This is true. Even though UAE is smaller than the USA, the rate of crime is extremely low for its size. This is reinforced by no-tolerance/strict laws, something all western countries lack.

                    A mere slap on the hand or "You shouldnt do that son (detention centres)" for serious and violent crimes is unlikely to deter people. Call me over the edge but this is what they want, they want it to be this way.

                    Countries like Pakistan have serious corruption issues. Even if the laws exist, who is going to enforce them? The criminal establishment? It's similar to western countries, just that it is openly and loudly corrupt where western countries make the effort to mask it nicely.

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                      During my long years of stay in these 2 countries, I have never feared from any theft whatsoever.
                      One time my wallet was left on the bench in a shopping mall at the peak hours. I came back home and realized the mistake
                      after 2 hours, went back and there it was, no one dare to even touch it.
                      I seen these places when I was a kid and we used to go to shops and weigh things ourselves and the shop keeper never questioned us, we say its 2 kg apples and he gladly accepted it.
                      Several time, I left my car on and went out and came back and nothing happened.

                      Not that rare incidents do not happen , they do, like robberies, etc youtube has some events, but then the culprit are caught and shown to stage the act on tv and are punished.

                      Another thing worth mentioning, they have a big heart, of all the rejected , lazy, incompetent people from all over the world come here
                      for work and are paid for more than they would ever get in their home countries.
                      If the table were turned, I doubt it remains the same.

                      While I witnessed the racism at work from Europeans; mostly racist.

                      However there is a twist, which is women... they are fond of women to the extent you wont imagine. It is like in the dna.

                      Cheers

                      Although I do agree that countries like US uphold Quran better than Muslim ones I do not think they are any different from Pakistan when it comes to peace and security. We do have church and mosque vandalism problems and unfortunately, institutions do fire people who try to show proof of intelligent design in the nature. And US is not as secure and peaceful as UAE. Over there we never feared walking on the street at 2am. We never heard of burglary. But here in US, forget about 2am, most people won't even dare to walk outside at 9pm.

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                        This is true. Even though UAE is smaller than the USA, the rate of crime is extremely low for its size. This is reinforced by no-tolerance/strict laws, something all western countries lack.

                        A mere slap on the hand or "You shouldnt do that son (detention centres)" for serious and violent crimes is unlikely to deter people. Call me over the edge but this is what they want, they want it to be this way.

                        Countries like Pakistan have serious corruption issues. Even if the laws exist, who is going to enforce them? The criminal establishment? It's similar to western countries, just that it is openly and loudly corrupt where western countries make the effort to mask it nicely.

                        Yep, and they do have the laws which is saddest part.

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                          Yep, and they do have the laws which is saddest part.

                          Pretty much.

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                            whoa everyone is talking about laws and americans, it's always the fear that keeps you safe or makes you stronger than others, a man with an american $1 one dollar bill is not even looked at the same way in most countries he has something close to a license to kill by just displaying the "bill" o currency, in the UAE, question, is the punishment for thief quranic or more of an america jail time deal? once again this all plays towards fear, the quran teaches us to "fear" ALLAH note the word and action "fear".
                            we fear the law, the law being a means of safety from ALLAH, we fear the punishment. fearing ALLAH is one of those reasons people choose to avouid certian behaviors. recall in the quran where a messenger began to fear men more than he feared ALLAH, i think surah talaq not quite sure, is this "fear" not the same reason people don't want to look akward praying on the streets of there town, or speaking the law or name of ALLAH, All-mighty god, in a town meeting or even in classes.
                            i recall the verse saying ALLAh is not afraid to tell you but that verse is in another surah something about not seek familiar talk while waiting for a meal from the prophet, look toward the last 60+ surahs.
                            but to shorten my reply i understand he is on to something it's the fear, fear is why people watch good men die and fear is why people bow down to tyrants, pharaoh more like "fear!-oh".
                            anyone considered the aspect of fear on everyday decisions?

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                              During my long years of stay in these 2 countries, I have never feared from any theft whatsoever.
                              One time my wallet was left on the bench in a shopping mall at the peak hours. I came back home and realized the mistake
                              after 2 hours, went back and there it was, no one dare to even touch it.
                              I seen these places when I was a kid and we used to go to shops and weigh things ourselves and the shop keeper never questioned us, we say its 2 kg apples and he gladly accepted it.
                              Several time, I left my car on and went out and came back and nothing happened.

                              Not that rare incidents do not happen , they do, like robberies, etc youtube has some events, but then the culprit are caught and shown to stage the act on tv and are punished.

                              Another thing worth mentioning, they have a big heart, of all the rejected , lazy, incompetent people from all over the world come here
                              for work and are paid for more than they would ever get in their home countries.
                              If the table were turned, I doubt it remains the same.

                              While I witnessed the racism at work from Europeans; mostly racist.

                              However there is a twist, which is women... they are fond of women to the extent you wont imagine. It is like in the dna.

                              Cheers

                              Ah, it is the same in Iran, i.e. you can take your things, do most things yourself and then put your card in, type the sum, code and just give the receipt to the clerk and he just smiles, thanks you and wishes you well.

                              Many people leave their car running and there seems to be little worry about theft. Although they are prejudiced against the mass-immigration of Afghans so similar kind of racism as in Europe against refugees from Middle-East exists also in Middle-East itself.

                              Some years ago if you walked along the street every other car would stop and ask you if you would like to ride along although there was a courtesy to give him a coin or two.

                              Rape appears very very rare down there, at least among namahram and women are generally out and safe in every street even after dark. Although people know that the rapist would be killed or nearly beaten to death by the woman's brothers and family if she told anyone, even by anyone who heard her testimony and go to beat him up.

                              Although it appears that thievery has increased in recent years unfortunately making people slightly more cautious and wary against others than before sadly enough. It appears many of the thieves are opium or crack addicts.

                              It also shows the economic sanctions against the country make people in a generally bad mood and frustration. No wonder why they yell "marg bar Amerika (death to america) during the Friday prayers. Their frustration is abused by the religious clergy and Americans should know they only strengthen their patriotism and opposition against the West with what they are doing, and if it would happen they plan on nuclear weapons it is better that they have the Iranian people with them than to punish them that way because the fanatic clergy gains popularity with their propaganda machine.

                              Sorry got into other things, but some things I experienced during my years in Iran. Different from Europe where I was born. In ways Iran is better if it was not for the hypocritical clergy and government. People generally speak ill of this country but it is not only bad. Some years ago Iranians were known for their immense hospitality and many still are despite it being more uneven now.

                              Be safe
                              Emanuel

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                                I have many friends who are shia (nor Iranians) but since Iran is a shia country, hence my question for you was how did you find them in terms of religious knowledge? I know for a fact that they are more informative about the history of islam rather than sunnis who are taught nothing about the history , politics about islam except that every thing was ok and do not ask questions.

                                Basically what I known by talking to them was that the center point for them is Ali and Hle bait, and everything revolves around these two entities. The talk with wisdom and knowledge in terms of taheed and quranic understanding but with their too much centered focal point on Ali, and the idea of hurting themselves during Muharam , I just never understood how people with such approach to islam can accept all of that bs.

                                cheers

                                Ah, it is the same in Iran, i.e. you can take your things, do most things yourself and then put your card in, type the sum, code and just give the receipt to the clerk and he just smiles, thanks you and wishes you well.

                                Many people leave their car running and there seems to be little worry about theft. Although they are prejudiced against the mass-immigration of Afghans so similar kind of racism as in Europe against refugees from Middle-East exists also in Middle-East itself.

                                Some years ago if you walked along the street every other car would stop and ask you if you would like to ride along although there was a courtesy to give him a coin or two.

                                Rape appears very very rare down there, at least among namahram and women are generally out and safe in every street even after dark. Although people know that the rapist would be killed or nearly beaten to death by the woman's brothers and family if she told anyone, even by anyone who heard her testimony and go to beat him up.

                                Although it appears that thievery has increased in recent years unfortunately making people slightly more cautious and wary against others than before sadly enough. It appears many of the thieves are opium or crack addicts.

                                It also shows the economic sanctions against the country make people in a generally bad mood and frustration. No wonder why they yell "marg bar Amerika (death to america) during the Friday prayers. Their frustration is abused by the religious clergy and Americans should know they only strengthen their patriotism and opposition against the West with what they are doing, and if it would happen they plan on nuclear weapons it is better that they have the Iranian people with them than to punish them that way because the fanatic clergy gains popularity with their propaganda machine.

                                Sorry got into other things, but some things I experienced during my years in Iran. Different from Europe where I was born. In ways Iran is better if it was not for the hypocritical clergy and government. People generally speak ill of this country but it is not only bad. Some years ago Iranians were known for their immense hospitality and many still are despite it being more uneven now.

                                Be safe
                                Emanuel

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                                  Well the US has a much larger population than the UAE and is therefor more likely to have more idiots too especially when gun possession is legal..

                                  rotfl
                                  Nope, guns are not legal in all states including California. But they surely are still owned illegally by gang members.

                                  This is true. Even though UAE is smaller than the USA, the rate of crime is extremely low for its size. This is reinforced by no-tolerance/strict laws, something all western countries lack.

                                  I would also add differences in cops of the two countries. UAE cops are paid extremely high. But in US, cops make so low! So I understand why they don't like to work. If I become one of them I will not risk my life for annual salary of just $54,230. Just like them I will come late to crime scene and then pretend not understanding a thing P Nobody can do anything about it because it is not easy to lay off or fire a public servant >D

                                  During my long years of stay in these 2 countries, I have never feared from any theft whatsoever.

                                  Which two countries?

                                  It also shows the economic sanctions against the country make people in a generally bad mood and frustration. No wonder why they yell "marg bar Amerika (death to america) during the Friday prayers. Their frustration is abused by the religious clergy and Americans should know they only strengthen their patriotism and opposition against the West with what they are doing, and if it would happen they plan on nuclear weapons it is better that they have the Iranian people with them than to punish them that way because the fanatic clergy gains popularity with their propaganda machine.

                                  Is the sanction lifted? All clergies are usually fanatic. It is common for Sunday sermons in American churches to be about "death to Islam, death to middle east"

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                                    Nope, guns are not legal in all states including California. But they surely are still owned illegally by gang members.

                                    Still the US have to ban it in all states for real. Legalizing gun control in some states is also going to affect the other states as well. Guns shouldn't be easy to aquire in the US.

                                    I would also add differences in cops of the two countries. UAE cops are paid extremely high. But in US, cops make so low! So I understand why they don't like to work. If I become one of them I will not risk my life for annual salary of just $54,230. Just like them I will come late to crime scene and then pretend not understanding a thing Nobody can do anything about it because it is not easy to lay off or fire a public servant >

                                    It's the same here. The UAE is so embarassing with its fast police cars and terrible police serving dictatorship.. The cops in the US are ten times more skilled than the ones in the UAE for sure. They have a more humane constitution too. American police are always sent to other countries to train other cops for a reason..

                                    But citizens in the US seem to know a lot more about the American constitution than the police officers themselves.. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeGPiEpVKiA

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                                      Still the US have to ban it in all states for real. Legalizing gun control in some states is also going to affect the other states as well. Guns shouldn't be easy to aquire in the US.

                                      Objecting to gun ownership is almost considered sin here. I actually don't understand why people are obsessed with them except that some told me it equals to taking precaution against tyranny of the government (yeah right). Sorry about my comment about California. I was wrong when I said guns are illegal here. It goes by county laws. So in some cities they are legal. But they have strict rules about them. I mean the person must marry the gun at some county office and make sure it always wears hijab or nikab in public.

                                      It's the same here. The UAE is so embarassing with its fast police cars and terrible police serving dictatorship.. The cops in the US are ten times more skilled than the ones in the UAE for sure. They have a more humane constitution too. American police are always sent to other countries to train other cops for a reason..

                                      But citizens in the US seem to know a lot more about the American constitution than the police officers themselves.. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeGPiEpVKiA

                                      I must admit that there is a new agenda of militarizing the cops in US. Constitutions probably will not have effect after some years. Today what the professor said was pretty depressing. He told us to prepare for the worse after Obama leaves. Intolerance worldwide will increase more (conincidently, he told about how it would be driven by the media/journalism with their biases). Some kind of new war probably is coming up because DOD requested for $16 billion in budget for 2016 and we will have a Republican in the Whitehouse '(.

                                      Lets get a spacecraft to move to some other planet >(

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                                        But they have strict rules about them. I mean the person must marry the gun at some county office and make sure it always wears hijab or nikab in public.

                                        rotfl

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                                          Objecting to gun ownership is almost considered sin here. I actually don't understand why people are obsessed with them except that some told me it equals to taking precaution against tyranny of the government (yeah right). Sorry about my comment about California. I was wrong when I said guns are illegal here. It goes by county laws. So in some cities they are legal. But they have strict rules about them. I mean the person must marry the gun at some county office and make sure it always wears hijab or nikab in public.

                                          Green Hahahahahahaha

                                          Regardless I think if the US banned weapons in all states it is going to be very hard. Who is going to hand over their M16s and other weapons? Obviously almost nobody which would force the US to take action and more would end up dead. It is hard to insert a change like that.

                                          I must admit that there is a new agenda of militarizing the cops in US. Constitutions probably will not have effect after some years. Today what the professor said was pretty depressing. He told us to prepare for the worse after Obama leaves. Intolerance worldwide will increase more (conincidently, he told about how it would be driven by the media/journalism with their biases). Some kind of new war probably is coming up because DOD requested for $16 billion in budget for 2016 and we will have a Republican in the Whitehouse '(.

                                          Some mistakes the American court do is to not prevent Saudi prince criminal from paying a bail

                                          http//abc7.com/news/saudi-prince-arrested-in-la-for-alleged-sex-crime/1001042/

                                          Saudi prince arrested in LA for alleged sex crime but released after posting $300,000 bail. That's some corruption right there. Another Saudi (related to the regime) criminal did the same in India some days ago and he was not faced with any consquences. He was infact protected by the Saudi regime in the name of so called 'Diplomatic immunity'. The US shouldn't allow people to pay a bail so they or others can have a reduced jail time letalone no jail at all. That's some corruption right there and a middle-finger to the victims, who are the citizens of the country.

                                          Lets get a spacecraft to move to some other planet >(

                                          I'm all for this id?a. There are far too many idiots on this planet.

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