Why every ones afraid
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Fusion,
You seriously misinterpret what I have been saying. It was not any miserable condition I spoke about or mistreating the Body. And even God says that He created the World as a contradiction and not to be enjoyed physically and the way is to separate yourself from the Body but it does not involve mistreating the Body. You cannot compare what I teach against those people who also have misinterpreted their purpose and live miserably. Separation can be done without murdering your own Body simply by ascension. I know because I am a separated person Spirit from the Body and my Spirit is Amenujil. I eat normally except very healthily with no sugar and small sized portions and mind my behavior not to have my face go red and be emotional so that my Body expresses itself. You cannot call that extremist yet I follow what I teach.
If I did not believe in helping or social interaction I would not spend time on this forum or meeting people outside of my home to speak about what I know, but I have not told them to do like Buddhists who nearly starve themselves to death or deprive themselves of necessary commodities because that is against the Decree in another way instead and if you treat yourself like that how are you going to treat others?
God did create this place as a contradiction and it was made corrupting and deceiving intentionally, but you can also live well in it if you are aware that your Body is your stumbling block with its instinctive drive although your purpose is focusing on the test of actually not indulging in it and ascending so that you are released from it and prove that you are a capable angel prospect by showing you can be a good father or mother or leading people towards greater goodness. Your interactions with others is you test of showing you can interact with people for goodness.
I said that our chatter means nothing as information on the greater whole but not the actual friendly interaction.
Jesua/Jesus taught this, and the prophet of Quran taught this, that the World was made as a trap from the start.
Be well
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Greeting Folks,
Why everyone is so afraid or shy on here to have a real contact outside of this forum?
It would be nice if we can have say a whatsapp group or similar direct contact..
I would love to know folks from here outside of this website ...I guess people are afraid from the impact of revealing their identity, am I right?
Cheers
I don't think it's about any identity revelations as much as it is about being picky for some people. For example, people may start personal messaging, get along and then decide to take it outside the forum. That's how it's usually happens in my experience. Then again, there are those odd elements like rlz mentions P You never know what you're going to get, I've met soothsayers, prophets, racists, hypocrites, crazies and so on and so forth...just like any other place, you have all sorts. It's interesting but I'd much rather choose my poison.
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Peace Fusion. .
I have often requested, with other like minded people, if we got together say for a conference ,a planned meet and greet each other or to share a day out/meal out somewhere central and possible for those who want to meet up, but some lived too far away and the dates suggested were not always agreed by most..
There needs to be an agreement/request by members here to initiate,say,a meeting/get together.
Because we come from different countries/different continents and have various demanding jobs/families/business,this sometimes is hard to plan.
There have been many threads where things have been suggested but nothing materialised.
We can only try again and see?
It takes time for good relationships/friendships to grow and bond together ,even if they have a lot in common.
I suppose meeting,having a chat and a meal together can be a start?
GOD bless you.
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This is excellent.
Dubai is a good place for such an event, it is easily accessible by every one in terms of visas etc.
Why don't we all get together in Dubai some where in December, weather would be perfect.Cheer
Peace Fusion. .
I have often requested, with other like minded people, if we got together say for a conference ,a planned meet and greet each other or to share a day out/meal out somewhere central and possible for those who want to meet up, but some lived too far away and the dates suggested were not always agreed by most..
There needs to be an agreement/request by members here to initiate,say,a meeting/get together.
Because we come from different countries/different continents and have various demanding jobs/families/business,this sometimes is hard to plan.
There have been many threads where things have been suggested but nothing materialised.
We can only try again and see?
It takes time for good relationships/friendships to grow and bond together ,even if they have a lot in common.
I suppose meeting,having a chat and a meal together can be a start?
GOD bless you.
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This forum used to have a chatroom - I have no clue if it was popular or not. But it shouldn't be too hard to register a chatroom (eg on an IRC-server) and link to it in this thread. Of course, this would require permission from the administrators. If this idea is liked and permitted I'm willing to set something up.
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Peace Fusion.
Let us see if others are interested?
Thanks for the suggestion.
GOD bless you.
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Peace everyone,
Perhaps many members in this forum are reserved/introverted and prefer to work alone in the cause of the creator. Working alone a lot of the time is a good thing in my opinion. However, I think the best thing to do is to work alone but also work with other people (preferably muslims/mumins). That being said, I think it is easier said than done.
If someone wants to make a difference, I think he/she will benefit a lot by collaborating with likeminded individuals. And I think it will make him/her stronger. There is a quote that says, "United we stand, divided we fall."
There are some verses in the quran that seem to encourage us to collaborate/cooperate with eachother in the cause of the creator.
Quran 614 God loves those who fight in His cause as one column; they are like bricks in a wall.
Quran 971 And the believing males and the believing females, they are allies to one another. They order good and prohibit vice, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification and they obey God and His messenger. God will have mercy on them; God is Noble, Wise.
Personally, I have no friends that follow Quran-oriented islam. And until now I have worked alone (not collaborated with others) when it comes to spreading the message of quran and islam. However, I have friends that are muslims and friends that are non-muslims. Some people claim that muslims can't befriend non-muslims. But I disagree. Because verses 608-9 in the Quran instruct us that we can befriend non-muslims who do not fight us because of our deen (system/religion/way of life).
Quran 608-9 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable. But God forbids you befriending only those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.
In my opinion, it does not matter if a person is a christian, a muslim, a jew, a buddhist, a hinduist, an agnostic or even an atheist. I support any person that stands for truth, justice, peace, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality and human rights. It seems that the only way human beings can achieve world peace, is by focusing on our similiarities instead of our differences. There is a verse in the quran that states that we should compete in doing good works. That being said, there are also some verses in the Quran that seem to imply that we should cooperate in doing good works. If we unite, we can succeed in achieving both our spiritual and our worldly objectives, in my opinion. There is a proverb which goes like this
"When spiders unite, they can tie down a lion."
- Ethiopian Proverb
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The idea is interesting...Allah recommend ppl from different culture..back ground to get to know each other and socialize... modern technology make it easy and feasible.. I think one or two would carry out that and put some rules or regulations...
Peace Hope, all,
I agree. In verse 4913, the Quran states that Allah made us into nations and tribes that we may know each other.
Quran 4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Ever-aware.
What I think is interesting about this verse is that it eliminates "the notion that one tribe/nation is better than another." In other words, the Quran seems to support equality and condemn racism/supremacy. And it seems that people will only be judged on the scale of righteousness. Those who claim that islam supports racism, have been deceived, in my opinion. I think the notion that "islam supports racism" is a great misconception.
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I volunteer to be your guide in Dubai as I know the place very well. However the main purpose is to be able to talk, discuss (face to face) and that will be something... I hope you guys will seriously think about the Dubai get together.
cheers
I appreciate your effort and idea ... but this Dubai issue may not be feasible to may.. it can suit who live in the gulf countries or visit them frequency..
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Quran 4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Ever-aware.
What I think is interesting about this verse is that it eliminates "the notion that one tribe/nation is better than another." In other words, the Quran seems to support equality and condemn racism/supremacy. And it seems that people will only be judged on the scale of righteousness. Those who claim that islam supports racism, have been deceived, in my opinion. I think the notion that "islam supports racism" is a great misconception.
Agreed
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Dubai is like mini world for several years. People come to duabi from every where.
I just gave the idea, it could be any place. Istanbul is another place.
Usa is out of my reach but if you guys are mostly from west countries, then you are right, better meet some where close.
CheersI appreciate your effort and idea ... but this Dubai issue may not be feasible to may.. it can suit who live in the gulf countries or visit them frequency..
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This is the first thing that came into my mind 2 years ago when I stumbled upon free-minds website in search for an answer.
I was not comfortable when during salat, i need to offer durrod to the prophet's aal and then Abrhem's aal as if they got a free ride automatically. God is just and he would not make certain people above others just because of the status of one person in the family,
except the condition is taqwa.Quran 4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Ever-aware.
What I think is interesting about this verse is that it eliminates "the notion that one tribe/nation is better than another." In other words, the Quran seems to support equality and condemn racism/supremacy. And it seems that people will only be judged on the scale of righteousness. Those who claim that islam supports racism, have been deceived, in my opinion. I think the notion that "islam supports racism" is a great misconception.
Agreed
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Greeting Folks,
Why everyone is so afraid or shy on here to have a real contact outside of this forum?
It would be nice if we can have say a whatsapp group or similar direct contact..
I would love to know folks from here outside of this website ...I guess people are afraid from the impact of revealing their identity, am I right?
Cheers
Peace Fusion, all,
I think it is a great idea to meet likeminded people (monotheists) in real life (in order to talk with eachother face 2 face). However, I think it is easier said than done. Because like you say, everyone are afraid or shy on here to have real contact.
I think there are several reasons why many members seem to be shy or afraid to have a real contact outside this forum.
Here are some reasons why I think many members seem to be reluctant to meet in real life
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Many members live in different countries and different continents. Therefore it might be difficult to meet other members in "real life." Besides, it might cost a lot of money to travel. In addition to that, most people can't travel whenever they want. Because their job/studies restricts them.
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Perhaps many members in this forum don't trust eachother enough to meet outside this forum and talk to eachother face 2 face. It is hard to trust people that you meet on the internet. Because most people you meet on a the internet are strangers. Would you talk to strangers on the street or invite them to your home? I don't think so. But I might be wrong. Anyway, I think most of us would agree that it would be wise to be picky when it comes to who you want to meet in "real life." Because many people seem to put on a fake persona on the internet. They seem to pretend to be who they are not. They present a false image of themselves. And that's why I think it is hard for many forum members to trust eachother. So to be on the safe/secure side, many people don't meet others outside the forum. Some people think that they can spot insincere/wicked people like a metal detector can spot a gun or a knife. And they think that they can see through others like glass. But the fact is that they can never know (with 100 percent accuracy) that someone is sincere or insincere, good or wicked. And even if they could know it, they can still fail. Because people can change faster than we can imagine . A man/woman who is a great saint today, can become the worst sinner tomorrow.
Even though some good people become wicked, it seems that most good people become more good. But my point is that there is no guarantee that all good men/women will remain good or become more good. Unfortunately, it seems that some good men/women devolve and become wicked.
Is there a way to know if a member in this forum is trustworthy/sincere or not? Yes, there is a way, in my opinion. If a man/woman has a deep/correct understanding of AQ, then there is a huge probability that he/she is trustworthy/sincere. Because the quran seems to be a mirror of our souls. And only those with a pure/good heart can grasp its message. I think a man/womans deeds can also tell us a lot about who he/she is and if he/she is sincere/trustworthy. For more information about this, see this excellent thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603944.msg299353#msg299353
In my opinion, there are a lot of good/sincere/trustworthy members in this forum. And there are a lot of members in FM that I feel that I can trust and that I would like to meet outside this forum. But there are some members that I feel that I can trust to a very high degree. These members are Layth, Ayman, Edip, Wakas, Pazuzu, Arnold Yasin, uq, Tanveeer, mquran, TheQuranAloneRevolution, IAMOP, SarahY, BornAgain, Sushi1992 and Javalatte.
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Many members might be reluctant to meet muslims (who follow quran-oriented islam) outside of this forum because their time is limited. Perhaps they like to socialize, but prefer to mostly socialize with a purpose e.g. spreading the message of islam and quran with others or help others. Personally I like to socialize both with and without a purpose.
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Most muslims in this forum seem to be on different stages in their spiritual journey. For example a long-term member on this forum, who found true Islam (monotheism) more than 4 years ago, will probably have a different view on the quranic concepts than a newbie/newcomer. And since their views on islam and quran can be very different, they might have less in common. Hence they might not want to meet eachother in real life. For example, a Karate master with a black will have a lot in common with another Karate master. But a Karate master with a black belt might have little in common with a newbie student in Karate.
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It seems that social media can make it hard to meet people outside of the internet. Because we can't get an accurate view of who someone is just by reading their posts on a forum. Hence we become cautious and skeptical. Social media is a great thing, in my opinion. I think social media is the greatest invention since Television. By the way, I love to watch television. And I would love to watch House of Cards or Game of thrones one day. Because I have not watched those tv series and they seem very interesting. But unfortunately, I don't have a lot of time to watch television. As mention earlier, social media is a great thing. I love forums, blogs, youtube etc. And I also have a facebook account. However, my FB account has been deactivated. I think that here are a lot of pros with social media. For example, I think it's great that social media has connected people from all over the world. And I also think it is great that social media has enabled us to share lots of information people all over the world, in a very short time. That being said, there also seems to be some cons with social media. For example, it seems that facebook has replaced a lot of real life (non virtual) interactions that are good for our soul and can contribute to our personal growth. It seems that facebook is a false world, a false reality. There could be some value to facebook, but its costs might be more than its benefits. Hence I think it is important to do a "cost-benefit analysis" before choosing to use (participate in) facebook. And if one decides to use facebook, I think it would be wise to minimize the amount of time one uses there. It seems that too many people are using facebook as place to avoid the trickier aspects of social life. But what they don't seem to realize is that face to face encounters in the "real (non virtual) world", makes us stronger and makes us thrive. According to the theory of evolution (whether you believe in it or not) we are human animals. Nature is our habitat. Many people claim that misuse/overuse of technology has disconnected/separated us from nature. When it comes to social media, Twitter and Reddit seems better than facebook, but unfortunately they also have a lot of cons in my opinion.
I would like to share a controversial video and four thoughtprovoking articles about social media with you.
Can we auto-correct humanity?
http//m.youtube.com/watch?v=dRl8EIhrQjQ
Is facebook damaging your health
http//learningfundamentals.com.au/blog/is-facebook-damaging-your-brain-and-health/
5 negative effects of social media on your brain
http//www.rd.com/health/wellness/negative-effects-of-social-media/
Is social media taking over our lives?
http//www.redbrick.me/comment/social-media-taking-lives/
Social media is taking over peoples lives, making them create online personas different from real life
http//m.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/sunday-style/social-media-is-taking-over-peoples-lives-making-them-create-online-personas-different-from-real-life/story-fniz90vp-1227307936946
I deeply recommend the above-mentioned video and four articles.
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I'm not one who uses social networks. On top of that, yes, I find a lot of you quite scary! o
Haha. Just like you, I also find a lot of the members in this forum scary ;D
Sometimes I even find myself scary P
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I would doubt anyone would find me scary at all if they simply dared to meet me. I am not sure how I look here except a maniac who interpret Quran at own will and completely astray, but apart from that I am very much living according to how I teach and would not be any dangerous to meet since emotional outbursts are strictly against the Decree even without intending to kill someone explicitly.
I think that most would consider me extraordinarily calm in person actually in case they met me such as if I was peace itself. I usually try to avoid conflicts before they happen with diplomacy even if it means intervening on somebody else's behalf when I see some interaction derail.
Be safe
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Peace everyone,
It seems that many members on FM are content with the friends they already have and don't want to get to know likeminded muslims (monotheists) outside of the forum. Personally, I am very picky, so most likely I will only get to know those FM members that I think/feel I have a lot in common with, especially when it comes to my view on islam and the quran. But even though I am picky, there are many members in this forum that write things that resonates with me.
I like the idea of networking. And I would like to get to know likeminded FM members, especially females. I have had some female friends in the past. But I have no female friends at the moment (in the present). I believe that males can learn a lot from females and their perspective on life. And I also think that females can learn a lot from men. I believe that friendships between men and women can be very rewarding. And I believe that men and women can enrich eachothers lives. Personally I want to remain single/unmarried the next few years. So I am ONLY looking for friendship (platonic relationships). If you are a female, and you think that we have similar views in regards to islam, quran and life, feel free to send me a PM. I promise I won't bite you P And I am not an alien or something who wants to abduct you P
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Personally I am assimilated and in symbiosis with my God and we are not separate but His Spirit is in me, and can be in anyone else too if they open their eyes and push the Body aside in favor of their Spiritual self. That renders me a blasphemer and heretic according to many, especially if I say I am a son of God.
Peace Man of Faith,
From my understanding of the Quran, God has no sons. Hence a human being can not be the son of God. See the verses below.
Quran 2116 And they said "God has taken a son!" Be He glorified. To Him is all that is in the heavens and the earth, all are devoted to Him.
Quran 6100 And they set up partners with God from among the Jinn, while He had created them. And they invented for Him sons and daughters without them having any knowledge! Be He glorified and exalted above what they describe.
Quran 6101 Originator of the heavens and the earth, how can He have a son when He did not take a wife? And He created all things and He is knowledgeable in all things.
Quran 1068 They said "God has taken a son." Glory be to Him! He is the Rich. To Him is what is in the heavens and the earth. Do you have proof for this? Or do you say about God what you do not know?
