Why every ones afraid
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The notion that God has a son seems to be rooted in superstition/paganism. Because there are more than 6000 verses in the quran, and not even one verse in the Quran states that God has a son. On the contrary, at least 4 verses in the quran indirectly states that God has no son.
The notion that God has a son seems to be widespread in our world because of a distorted/contradicting bible and christian missionaries who have falsely preached that Jesus is the son of God for hundreds of years. Not even one verse in the quran states that Jesus is the son of God. But on the contrary, there are 22 verses in the Quran that states that Jesus/Isa is the son of mary (see verses 287, 2253, 345, 4157, 4171, 517, 546, 572, 575, 578, 5110, 5112, 5114, 5116, 931, 1934, 2350, 337, 4357, 5727, 616, 6114).
Depends on what you connote by son, if it means symbiosis with the Oneness of existence or some sort of pathetic biological son, because then it is Paganism. But to make a separate object (objectification) out of a god is more Paganism than to make yourself in the Grand Consciousness. You surely agree that God created you, that means you are created, and if you acknowledge that you are to tread in His image then you can metaphorically have a Father - son relationship in unity, because the Father is very tight on you to the extent that you are an expression of Him in His Oneness. He does not mind that for those who work His will.
Additionally, your Spirit was made in the image of your Creator, meaning if you nurture it so that it grows you can consider yourself a child of God thus, because your Spiritual affinity and relationship works on such level as if it was a family trait. There is obviously alternative metaphorical language one can use too, but Father - son works. Furthermore, God is also called Father in the second chapter already where the corrupted interpretations say otherwise, so there is a connection. The issue for us is that we have to "separate our Spirit from the Body" to be able to see this tie and be able to grow spiritually rather than being the Beast we are trapped inside, or otherwise our Spirit fades and we are the animal and thus we cannot call ourselves sons or daughters because we simply identify us with the Body. But if you do as Jesus taught then it is plausible to call yourself a son of God due to your identification with your raw Spirit and that you can discover yourself and then you can also see the Father.
Quran's sectarian interpretation uses "Mushrik" to imply polytheism by contemporary interpreters but the deluded medieval ones implied that it is when you associate anything with God that it is wrong. It was to combat the Mesopotamian Gnostics of that time who called themselves sons of God albeit rightfully because it is how things work but these doctrine inventors corrupted this scripture called Quran into saying something which it does not. They followed what Jesus taught about becoming One with God which was according to the Decree of Moses. Moses was taught "I am who am I" concerning God's nature and Jesus told people "I am in the Father and the Father in me", but also Abraham knew "Be sound (aslama) as the Rabb" during his time. The Islamic account is a hoax and originates from Pagan ideas and perception of the World in hedonistic terms. God is as materialized as the World to them.
The fact is that it is meant that you are to associate yourself with God, quite ironical to the Pagan intrusion on the interpretation, you are supposed to merge with God. That is because your Father created your Spirit but placed it within a Body, let it be deluded and have to grow in a contradiction, an illusion that was made to be corrupting and deceiving. But in fact you should find your way back to your Father rather than succumb to the test environment you are in.
The word allah is a structure of the root Alif-Lam-Lam and means "be such as" and the third-person singular suffix , and means "who is as such" or "who is being" (+ relevant attribute given by context) and thus is neither proper nor standard noun in the language. The very common AL prefix in the Arabic language also uses the Alif-Lam-Lam root and such that you know it is used to give attribute to another word meaning it can be said to be an adjective. Also morphologically the two letters together mean "be such" + word used. The one who can draw parallels obviously see that this is a third-person variant of the "I am who am I" (who is it).
But I am not forcing anyone to hearken unto anything; you can continue to cling unto this worldly perception and being deluded from your Creator on the "stumbling block" second commandment violation if you like, creating an image of God rather than "be as it" . I do this because I am kind and pity you should be without proper information.
Be safe
Amenuel -
I suggest you for not asking guidance/guide to fellow humans (other creations).
This is a fallacious argument because you rely on the guidance of another merely by trusting their interpretation since you do follow someone's interpretation by following Quran unless you really analyze it to pieces yourself. When you learn Arabic from someone else you follow someone's guidance. The argument does not hold.
It is better to trust the Holy Spirit that is with us and reject your primitive husk.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Man of faith, dear,
Does your explaination of father son applies to all creatures, including earth and planets and animals etc?please elaborate.Are not the planets and earth dead matter (only animated by the Noor)? And so is your Body, it is only the son of Flesh and no more, a "Jannateh of Jann". The son of God must come from the Spirit which is the Father's son/daughter being of His image. Obviously not by material perception but one has to erase that human fallible thinking.
The World including your Body is just a contradiction (illusion) to you being projected by the Father in order to test you, and it was made to corrupt and deceive you that you enjoy indulgence and to be it. The Decree of Moses was made to give the perceptive person hints to what causes a desire to be it and how to dodge the stumbling blocks. The stronger the preventive measures are against falling for the List of Ten the quicker progress is of ascension, but there are also people who enforce its strictness by adding such was never authorized to be written down or manipulate the Decree so that it removes its "Do not". Particularly sectarian validation of Holy War is such modification.
It is important to know that even being (aggressive) emotional is detrimental and against the Decree because it is the first step towards murder which is the extremity. Same with that Jesus taught that even looking at a woman and you have committed adultery in your head because adultery is just the extremity but even to lust for women/men around you triggers Satan (the instinct) and thus has a detrimental effect on your growing Spirit.
Be safe
Amenuel -
This is a fallacious argument because you rely on the guidance of another merely by trusting their interpretation since you do follow someone's interpretation by following Quran unless you really analyze it to pieces yourself. When you learn Arabic from someone else you follow someone's guidance. The argument does not hold.
It is better to trust the Holy Spirit that is with us and reject your primitive husk.
I think you don't understand what I meant, or perhaps you're not able to understand such thing - and that's not my problem.
In my view, you're not following the Qur'an - but you abuse the Qur'an, and your words were dangerous, grave, untrustworthy, and disgusting.
May Allah protect the believers from your evil nonsense. They should obey Allah and not you.
And you, remember that you will return to Allah. Maybe you could deceive some people and yourself, but you will never be able to deceive your Creator.
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Hello,
In fact, God refers to each commandment as "stumbling block" (hajjarateh) and that has its obvious reasons as you can probably understand. Just look at how ambiguous "no jealousy" is as a law.
However, I know that Muslims in many cases have done away with the Torateh, thinking previous Decree-material is abrogated.
Be safe
Amenuel -
In the past I have followed some men, thinking that they are on the right path (imagine a 20 year old, wanting to learn about Islam and God and Quran), every time I was deceived and I met disappointment. Perhaps in our time, Islam sects have become so mature and stubborn that you have very little chance of following or even finding the right mentor to follow.
So after I was disappointed and then I turn to God (the force, the one who creates the universe) and ask him secretly or whisper that Please show me the right path. oh God I have crossed the stage where I believe that every thing around us can not be just created by itself in so many beautiful way and patterns and that I believe there is a creator which is you. Here I am now, hoping that I found something so big ; Quran that I believe am on the right path now and it is just start of a journey.However when you talk about other subjects, like physics or chemistry or maths, you need to have a teacher as you cant sheer learn them from faith. So there is a big difference in the two.
I think if one follows men, most likely he or she will enter into a path of blind and will lose the free thinking. Unless you are so so lucky that you find the one person who has been on the actual right path... but then how to judge at that time??
cheers
This is a fallacious argument because you rely on the guidance of another merely by trusting their interpretation since you do follow someone's interpretation by following Quran unless you really analyze it to pieces yourself. When you learn Arabic from someone else you follow someone's guidance. The argument does not hold.
It is better to trust the Holy Spirit that is with us and reject your primitive husk.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Hi Java,
I think we do not want to have such language used on here as it will serve no purpose of good. Just by praying that every one will be spared from man of faith evil, is like forcing your opinion on others.
After reading his posts, I also realized he is different, not the sort of Muslim we imagine, the best thing is not to lose patience and reply with wisdom and leave the rest.
The fact that man of faith believes in Quran is one reason you should not curse him in this manner.
I wish we get together and then sort out in person -) but now I think it will be a big fight...Cheers
I think you don't understand what I meant, or perhaps you're not able to understand such thing - and that's not my problem.
In my view, you're not following the Qur'an - but you abuse the Qur'an, and your words were dangerous, grave, untrustworthy, and disgusting.
May Allah protect the believers from your evil nonsense. They should obey Allah and not you.
And you, remember that you will return to Allah. Maybe you could deceive some people and yourself, but you will never be able to deceive your Creator.
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Hi Java,
I think we do not want to have such language used on here as it will serve no purpose of good.I'm sorry, but I am not here to make everyone happy, and you don't even know what I know about MoF.
If you don't like how I talked with MoF, please stay away.
Just by praying that every one will be spared from man of faith evil, is like forcing your opinion on others.
You don't have to accept my opinion. And also, that prayer is for the believers and not for everyone.
If you don't like that prayer, then I guess, that prayer is not for you - so you could ignore it.
The fact that man of faith believes in Quran is one reason you should not curse him in this manner.
What curse??
I don't see that I made curse to him in this thread, I wrote what I think, and for me, those are not curses.
And also, I don't believe that MoF believes in the Qur'an.
MoF was my friend, but I saw that he gradually changed, and I am a witness of his disobedience toward God.
Things I know about him are enough to be aware of his danger.
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I'm sorry, but I am not here to make everyone happy, and you don't even know what I know about MoF.
If you don't like how I talked with MoF, please stay away.
You don't have to accept my opinion. And also, that prayer is for the believers and not for everyone.
If you don't like that prayer, then I guess, that prayer is not for you - so you could ignore it.
What curse??
I don't see that I made curse to him in this thread, I wrote what I think, and for me, those are not curses.
And also, I don't believe that MoF believes in the Qur'an.
MoF was my friend, but I saw that he gradually changed, and I am a witness of his disobedience toward God.
Things I know about him are enough to be aware of his danger.
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Hello again Fusion,
Thanks for your explanation Man of Faith (I wish I knew your name).
So that means animals do not have the spirit or soul?
Also how one would interpret verse 3372
cheersYou have my name in every post I make by the end of it.
Animals do not have any individual spirit or soul but they work exactly as "programmed" by the Flesh. It is the Holy Spirit that keeps it running as intended. People who are as according to their animal they are trapped inside also follow the World's programming as intended. The purpose is to realize this and break loose, "jailbreak". This is not disobedience but the that was the actual test to refine forth perfect specimens that have intelligence enough to be able to see what kind of illusion they live in. Compare it to fiction movies like the Matrix where they live inside a computer program/run-time. In reality, the technique is to fight the Body's nature. It is not harder than that. By diminishing the Body's impact on your Spirit then you can actually grow forth a Spiritual awareness strong enough to see the whole plot.
In 3372, do you honestly believe that these "entities" have any intelligence to reply in such manner as in the sectarian version of 3372? The World is aware in God (or rather the opposite) and does not exist independently. The Worldly materials is "dead" matter and so are humans who are "lifeless" (al-mowt) as well. They do not really exist independently, depending on how you see it, they will merely continue to exist with the Flesh in cycles and their Spirit ("seed" undeveloped.
Hi Java,
I think we do not want to have such language used on here as it will serve no purpose of good. Just by praying that every one will be spared from man of faith evil, is like forcing your opinion on others.It is alright, let her ventilate her opposition. We need to have patience with the sleepers (God often uses this milder variant of lifeless in lectures) and have faith that they can awaken. She does not understand.
In the past I have followed some men, thinking that they are on the right path (imagine a 20 year old, wanting to learn about Islam and God and Quran), every time I was deceived and I met disappointment. Perhaps in our time, Islam sects have become so mature and stubborn that you have very little chance of following or even finding the right mentor to follow.
It is difficult to know who to follow exactly and many people go by the looks and articulation of men. I try to focus my explanations on making people discover themselves rather than I dogmatically say what they must do as per the common religious doctrines. But I emphasize on the Body and that your own instinct is your stumbling block on many life issues. Such as flamed discussions on here and unfriendly behavior is a partial failure in itself and we gave expression to our primitive instinctive drive of the Body meaning that has a detrimental effect on our Spiritual growth.
I let people have their rituals but personally I think rituals are clear stumbling blocks that makes you subconsciously simply doing them without reflecting upon why you are doing them and they are usually making you align to the instinct of animal conformity. I know that there was once a man called Jesus who expressed disapproval for "Pagan ritualism" as well. It is mostly because it is hedonistic and worldly than for the actual performances themselves.
So after I was disappointed and then I turn to God (the force, the one who creates the universe) and ask him secretly or whisper that Please show me the right path. oh God I have crossed the stage where I believe that every thing around us can not be just created by itself in so many beautiful way and patterns and that I believe there is a creator which is you. Here I am now, hoping that I found something so big ; Quran that I believe am on the right path now and it is just start of a journey.
It may sound arrogant but perhaps I am an answer to all your prayers in our Collective Unity. It is not just me but there are also others who have made similar discoveries and they feel their ideas resonate in mine.
Merely discovering the path of Quran is one success in the right direction because that is a special scripture, but its available interpretations are beyond criticism, it is worse than that. There is nothing which has any basis which you can criticize. It is just plain delusion.
God is a way more advanced phenomenon than people primitively make of Him/Her/It and it incorporates everything in existence. Rather than God being simply present in everything God is existence itself and thus obviously also aware in it all. But God designed us to be Higher Beings than what most people stuck in sectarianism believe but it is a test to see if we can be potential Melak (Miim-Lam-Kaf), i.e. rulers which are traditionally called Angels by definition in English. Most people fail that and I honestly think "the harvest" is going to be small. It was probably not intended that the harvest was going to be that big either. The World is heavily corrupting and designed to be a well-tailored deception and contradiction. Merely seeing as far as this is a merit. Being able to then act upon it and grow is the next step. And you have only until your death (end interim/cycle) of the Body because then your memory is erased and you start over, so it is recommended to be saved now. Merely believing or knowing for a fact how things are will not save you but you have to become perfected. Good news is that if you were improving but not completed then your rebirth will be with a stronger Spirit with more potential than previously, but it does help little if you do not become aware of who you are.
However when you talk about other subjects, like physics or chemistry or maths, you need to have a teacher as you cant sheer learn them from faith. So there is a big difference in the two.
When learning about the nature of God it is actually an advantage to know human science because through empirical study of how the World works you can find hints to God's existence. Just check into Quantum Physics and that they have discovered that the World is actually made of energy in some kind of raw form when analyzing the atom structure including the nucleus. What they have found is Noor which is the construction substance of the World as we know it and that forms the Outer Layer/Surface (Jann) of the World. This is why Quran in its very worthlessly interpreted shape speaks of "Jinn being made of Noor" (fire), but noor is more like energy or force; the light or fire is merely the visible chemical phenomenon and nothing can scientifically be made of fire, it is an illogical argument. Satan is obviously Jinn because it is the instinct of our Bodies and it is driven by "Satan".
I think if one follows men, most likely he or she will enter into a path of blind and will lose the free thinking. Unless you are so so lucky that you find the one person who has been on the actual right path... but then how to judge at that time
However it is not more wrong to follow another man than to follow yourself. It depends on if that person is among the 99 sheep or is the 1 sheep that managed to break away while the others blindly graze the same meadow continuously. The question is how many of the blind sheep will follow the unique one sheep that opened its eyes.
But in the end we are all free to choose what destiny lies ahead of us. Is it conformity to the World or is it being unique, confident and independent in God's Grand Consciousness, "Being Such As It" (amen b'allah). God does not force anyone and nor do I or anyone righteous force anyone to choose. And God provides also for the lifeless and so does His children.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Speaking about sheep, I consider that sheep (the real sheep) are wiser than many of humans.
I don't see them reject their own Creator.
I agree. It seems that all sheep are peaceful animals, unlike many humans who hurt/harm other human beings, animals and nature (the ecosystem). Also, sheeps benefit humanity by giving humans wool that they can make clothes with.
Quran 1680 And God has made your homes a habitat, and He has made for you from the hides of the livestock homes which you find light when you travel and when you camp; and from its wool, fur, and hair you make furnishings and goods, until a time.
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Hail to you Fusion,
Using sheep is an ancient way of producing allegorical language, but mostly sheep are used because they are fairly gullible and obedient without rebellion to the extent that they stick together to the same herd no matter what. This is also a fallacy which is why they are used in parables of old, for example the parable of the 100 sheep with one sheep that breaks the stereotype. I suppose you can figure out why if you draw a parallel to humans and belief. The meaning is obviously not to think about sheep in the parable but think about gullible humans who follow a sect blindly without questioning or 99% of people follow a faulty interpretation of a religious scripture. Sheep do not fight back if you try to herd them and that is another reason for their usage in parables (I have shepherded and tended sheep personally about 15 years ago). They are cute and peaceful, but I understand their metaphorical use.
There are also ones with camels, dogs and horses and many other animals.
Many thanks Amenuel for your detailed answer. I will need to read it more than once to understand your point of view. I never knew java is female, so that explains the patience level shown.
That had nothing to do with gender. And men are also often more nasty and unpleasant than women. Javalatte is not interested in my information yet she seems compelled to reply to a lot of my writings as to interfere. I suppose she thinks that I am misleading people and counteracts because she deems she's helping them; it may be a logical deduction. It is such a shame that in some cases if you are deluded into the wrong cause, believing in your folly you are onto the right one, you may actually be helping the wrong cause.
Such as in the fiction Star Wars when many people are deluded into serving the Galactic Empire or when millions of people started supporting Adolf Hitler or contemporaneously why so many people join the ISIS. No one in their right state of mind would be supporting this evil (Al-Zaliim = darkness) yet a lot of people do/did it and even validate/d it to the point it became the constitution of a nation. But it always starts with small, deluded yet fanatical ideas. A problem is that most people believe they do it for the greater good. ISIS do it because they believe they do good for their invented god Allah. The cause for all this is the instinctive drive of humans. The idolatrous primitive behavior of humans into obedience of insanity is a human instinct and is why the second "commandment" tells us not to make any such idol to represent our existence.
It does not matter if it is Emperor Palpatine, Adolf Hitler, Al-Baghdadi, Saddam Hussein, the ancient kings of Babylon, Nimrud, Pharaoh or fictitious characters such as Allah*; humans have a tendency to search for a powerful leader by instinct and this is often their undoing when they run into charismatic disguised wolves. They choose their leader so that it fits their ongoing instinctive desires; money, material, gods, et cetera. That is why it is always good to get rid of them and also boost their own Spirit inside so that they can "Be As Such" (allah) united instead rather than Be them and God.
There is a reason why God in Persian is called 'khoda', khoda means 'self' in Persian and if you for example are going to say "myself" you say 'khodam'. It has connections to the ancient Semitic understanding of Elah/Allah/Elohim which means 'who is as such' (allah) 'who are as such' (allehem) much like what you give in reference in the Persian version which would be like saying '(I) AM', i.e. from the Mosaic expression "I am who am I". There is a connection between it all which has been well dug down deep throughout history. You cannot look beyond yourself for God but you must find God within because the Spirit is there; it is a symbiotic phenomenon you are deluded from by the deception of your Body and its instinct (Satan). It was created to be like this.
- Here I imply the kind of hateful and primitive sectarian projected god as according to the pathetically interpreted Quran as according to the sectarians; not the Rabb that emerges when you have the competence to appropriately read it.
The Pagan forces of the World has contended this view of God and it is continuing also into this day by people such as JavaLatte, but not only her but a majority of the population of this forum. It is built around ignorance and the materialist perception of the World with distinctly separate entities. But as a matter of fact, in the end there is just one "entity"* in existence and that is God and everything exists under Its/His/Her "umbrella"; not Creation here and Creator there.
- If it is even possible to call that entity; it is difficult to have terminology for it since it "simply is". I have had allegorical language like "singularity" (a phenomenon which takes no space yet have an immense volume) which can easily explain the "umbrella effect" of God.
Red Pagan is more than a curse word or a word that means polytheist. It has also been corrupted from its original meaning and is an original Semitic word (Jinn/Jann ) which carries a Greek prefix and the word is to imply "worldliness" by its original definition. There are actually English dictionaries that carry the appropriate definition if you search, even if the etymology is completely off. A Pagan does not only materialize their God but they also think that the World should be appreciated and that it is a gift from the god(s) and their Body and attachment to it is like a blessing.
For your reference, means skin/outer layer as in referring to the outer layer of the World including Bodies. Often in elder scriptures the translators use "the flesh" to give reference to this. While browsing lexicons it is possible to make this out. The definitions often say "what covers/conceals a body" albeit this is misinterpreted as to think you speak of hidden/invisible but the word actually means "what covers on the outside". Jannateh is singular for "entity with outer layer", i.e. a body, and this word is often misleading people into thinking about some kind of nonexistent paradise just as people think Jahannom is some kind of Hell yet both words share the same root . Jahannom marks attachment to flesh condition.
In earlier religious tradition there was no Hell but this phenomenon emerged much later. You cannot see any talk about that in the Biblical Old Testament. Jahannom emerged as enlightenment later but perverted into something other than it is. But it is a place where you are constantly "given new skins". People are often allergic to the term "reincarnation". It is thus possible to get out of Jahannom, but the probability decreases by "falling to the Dark (zaliim) Side"; it breaks the Spirit.
There is another huge misconception and it is that you have to wait for the Kingdom of God but the Kingdom is at hand and if you die before you get there you will not get there. The sensation of awareness and departure from the Flesh must have come. In fact you live in the Kingdom of God already but you are deluded from seeing it but if you can remove that Body from clouding your Spirit then you shall see God. He (the attachment) is right there and so is the Realm.
Let me post a few passages from my translation project which may ring a ball about my condition
230 And then tell that your Sustainer made for the Ruler a contradiction in the World by telling ?It was made to be corrupting and persistently consume you, and fit to succeed is you commendable and pure is you who express that this is to learn what has not been learned?
231? And learn there is for every Persistent (Adam) a ?Door? each, because they widen to inspire unto the Ruler insight flowing out of the ?Door? if you become blessed"
232 Indicating your success is such being aware of that which you were not aware of that you are wisely aware.
"The Door" is my interpretation of a word in ancient Arabic that may refer to a "small door at the side of a big one" or a hole. It appears that "door" fits the translation in the clause after the first one since it says widens/become broad by that comes next.
means literally aware/awareness but in an English rendition you would make it learn because that is when you become aware of something.
There is a sectarian trap with Adam's name in the language and that is the fact this name is used metaphorically both as a standard word and reference to the first Body placed in the World; Prophet Adam; when Quran speaks of Bani Adam it speaks of every human on Earth including those who do not qualify to be Bani Israel (Children of the Chief). Quran is throughout this cryptic. Our species is called Adam and in Persia linguistically they still say Adam about Homo Sapiens. If you speak about a human you say an "adam".
I brought the definition of Adam from the root Dal-Waw-Miim which I deem is the appropriate definition based on comparison within the discourse. It is also cryptic for the purpose of being in the Adam endoskeleton. Your purpose is simply to persevere against its immense deception and rebellious nature to do exactly as it pleases itself ignoring its Spirit Master. I doubt the alternative Dal-Miim-Miim is an accurate root origin.
Dal-Waw-Miim (Dal-Alif-Miim) = To continue, endure, persist, remain, persevere, last, stand still, keep alive.
"Indicating" is my interpretative choice of "expressing" that it says literally.
I know the translation is just not anything like the sectarian interpretation of Quran, but ignore that that and reflect upon the impact of the expression instead. It is clear that it is formulated in allegorical manner.
In my translation there are inserted words because since you do not speak and write Arabic as you would with English it is impossible to translate word-by-word (even if my translation follows the Arabic sentence structure and rhythm). Arabic often omits pronouns and it lacks many prepositions whenever they are not necessary to convey the message. It can often be considered a minimalist language which is crude but efficient. You can often say much more information in fewer morphemes thus shorter time in conversation. Often with one letter as affix you have to say 2-3 words in English. That is something I have learned during my studies.
I know this is long but I am triggered by my Spirit to bless those who show curiosity with information. I am sure that in this age mankind is blessed with much more information than previously but that is according to the prophecy of Isaiah. I would not be sitting here writing for my own entertainment and if I was not so sure about it. I understand that for the grand majority this is unbelievable but that is just the trap because God is really amusingly cryptic and deceptive yet loving for the perceptive.
I wish I could formulate myself shorter, but I must relate to physical Knowledge because humans always require "evidence"/signs rather than being able to see this by their Spirit. Some days I wish I could throw Quran out the window but that would be a waste because the scripture contains immense Wisdom. The reason for my annoyance is because I am correcting the madness of men who have just been conjecturing for over thousand years, but yet it was also prophesied so I suppose I have to retain my patience.
Be safe
Amenuel
