No God Exists: Why Should I Be Good to humans?

Man_of_Faith

Atheism or non-spiritualism is not the way to go. You can see that a multitude of people are victims to their own selves and that is because they basically believe in nothing, i.e. no purpose except enjoy living while it lasts. That is okay but I find it tragic for them.

However I could agree that people do not need the traditional (hedonistic) view of God with primitive features. It is the spiritual depth one is after and purpose of living. The most relevant reason is because you should grow your Spirit's consciousness into completion. And that you can probably understand no matter if your religion is with the typical physical separate deity or abstractly symbiotic in all living things (like the Force in Star Wars). The growing of your self is default and for that it takes your consciousness is enhanced.

Be safe
Amenuel

reel

Atheism or non-spiritualism is not the way to go. You can see that a multitude of people are victims to their own selves and that is because they basically believe in nothing, i.e. no purpose except enjoy living while it lasts. That is okay but I find it tragic for them.

Thanks to heavy marketing for that. I did come across a documentary few months ago according to which only some years ago, majority of the Americans had no desire for materialism. But then came the time when cigarette companies thought they weren't getting many customers for their cigarettes. They were angry that people were satisfied with basic needs. So the new project of aggressive marketing began which taught "you must desire, want, live in the moment, etc". It worked quite nicely. Cigarettes once again are frowned upon (in CA, it is a big taboo), but the parasite of desire has managed to ruin the other areas of the people's lives. Truth is that it is not easy for all to not surrender to what the media says. Brainwashing begins from a very tender age.

However I could agree that people do not need the traditional (hedonistic) view of God with primitive features. It is the spiritual depth one is after and purpose of living. The most relevant reason is because you should grow your Spirit's consciousness into completion. And that you can probably understand no matter if your religion is with the typical physical separate deity or abstractly symbiotic in all living things (like the Force in Star Wars). The growing of your self is default and for that it takes your consciousness is enhanced.

I agree despite the fact that I appreciate all the good things the traditional religions do for people. I might not be a Christian, but I do know many have got out of drug addiction by getting help from Christian organizations. I might not be a sunni or shia, but I do know their organizations do everything to prevent a funeral from turning into a business. I might not be a Jewish, but I do know synagogue do feed the temple goers for free. Are we gonna get things like this in atheist world? I don't think so. Even now when an atheist suffers from depression he is told by fellow atheists to see a psychologist. I see similar recommendation coming from the nonreligious ones. But is it truly difficult to beat such illness especially if it is not heredity based? You know about my loss. I didn't have to go to a psychologist for it. Neither did other family members. But my relative who lost her husband in 2007 is still taking the antidepressant drug because her head now acts weird without it.

Comrox

Even now when an atheist suffers from depression he is told by fellow atheists to see a psychologist. I see similar recommendation coming from the nonreligious ones. But is it truly difficult to beat such illness especially if it is not heredity based? You know about my loss. I didn't have to go to a psychologist for it. Neither did other family members. But my relative who lost her husband in 2007 is still taking the antidepressant drug because her head now acts weird without it.

Peace reel,

Speaking as someone who has recovered from anxiety and severe depression, I don't believe that a person's religion, or lack thereof, will make them more or less prone to severe depression. I also don't think that a person's religion necessarily determines how they handle recovery. Everyone is different, and depression is a horrible and complex illness. Often depression is not just caused by one event (although it can be), but many traumatic events, problems, and/or negative thoughts in one's life.

To answer your question about the difficulty of beating depression, I'm going to share my story. When I was 15, I developed depression that lasted for roughly a year and a half. So I will recount my experiences as a depressed teenager. I'll say now that I don't speak for everyone with depression.

I wouldn't wish the months of hopelessness and loneliness I felt on anyone. It was a truly terrible and frankly terrifying experience. I remember vividly on the first day that I felt a literal shift in my brain. My brain became chemically imbalanced. I isolated myself. I lost the few friends I had. I was scared and angry with the world. I felt trapped within. I had no desire to do anything. I didn't care about life. I hated everything about who I was. I still have scars on my body. I wouldn't let my true feelings show. I just wanted to die in my misery. My family believed I was fine because I was always smiling around them. Behind closed doors, I was sobbing. The hardest part is that although you're at your weakest point, you won't allow anyone else to see how you weak you are. Therefore you automatically block yourself off from help that could be received from yourself or other people.

When I finally broke down and the truth came out, I was prescribed by my doctor and parents to see a therapist and was given antidepressants. Neither worked for me. I hated that everyone knew how weak I was. Telling my parents was my biggest regret. I was stubborn. I didn't want to get better. I had no freedom anymore. I went to therapy and I took my pills. But my mind and my brain resisted both. I simply didn't want to be happy. I didn't know who I was if I wasn't absolutely miserable. My depression wasn't just an illness - it was my identity. (I could speculate your relative's depression stems not just from the loss of her husband but indirectly the loss of her own identity as well, if she did/does not know who she was/is without him).

It took me months of self reflection, talking to people who really cared about me, and rediscovering myself through an online persona that I got better. I had to rebuild my confidence and fix the extremely negative image of myself that months of depression had engraved in my mind. I had to force myself to talk to people more. I had to open my eyes to how beautiful and positive the world could be. In order to overcome my depression I didn't just have to solve one problem, but I had to solve many. That's part of what makes depression so hard - It magnifies any problems you face, and because of how worthless one feels, it's hard to find the motivation to do anything, let alone solve your problems. It was a long and gradual process, and it wasn't easy. I did not consider myself religious then, so religion had no influence in my recovery.

In my opinion, depression is an illness that one can only be cured from if they truly want to change and get better. Otherwise, they will continue being depressed and going through the endless misery cycle.

I realize that I can never again be the person I was before my depression. But that's okay. The person I have become is much better than the person I left behind.

Every person handles their depression differently. My mother has been on antidepressants for the last 20 years, and she takes them faithfully because they help her. They balance the chemicals in her brain that she needs to feel better.

I think antidepressants are meant mainly as the first boost to get over depression, a temporary solution, and eventually a person should be taken off them. Unfortunately for many people this isn't the case. I think they see them as a permanent fix so they don't have to change anything in their lives to make them happier. It's easier to take a pill every day than to make a drastic and lasting change in one's life, especially if someone is not in a situation where they can easily make a change. (An example of this would be someone whose main cause of depression is their job, but they are unable to quit their job because they rely on every paycheck to pay their bills.)

While I think after all these years that my mother could learn to do without her antidepressants, I try not to judge her for taking them. That's what works for her.

I feel the issue with society today is that many get caught up in the negative sides of life. They don't stop to realize that happiness is a choice, and emotions will only hurt as long as they allow them to. If someone is unhappy, they have the power to do something about it. I was able to realize this gradually over time, but some may need the help of a therapist to help them come to the conclusions that I did. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. We're social beings and sometimes we have to lean on others for support during times of need. The most important thing to me is that people who are depressed are trying to get help, no matter how they're doing it, and I can only hope that they truly want to receive it.

I apologize for the long post. ^^

reel

To answer your question about the difficulty of beating depression, I'm going to share my story. When I was 15, I developed depression that lasted for roughly a year and a half. So I will recount my experiences as a depressed teenager. I'll say now that I don't speak for everyone with depression.

I wouldn't wish the months of hopelessness and loneliness I felt on anyone. It was a truly terrible and frankly terrifying experience. I remember vividly on the first day that I felt a literal shift in my brain. My brain became chemically imbalanced. I isolated myself. I lost the few friends I had. I was scared and angry with the world. I felt trapped within. I had no desire to do anything. I didn't care about life. I hated everything about who I was. I still have scars on my body. I wouldn't let my true feelings show. I just wanted to die in my misery. My family believed I was fine because I was always smiling around them. Behind closed doors, I was sobbing. The hardest part is that although you're at your weakest point, you won't allow anyone else to see how you weak you are. Therefore you automatically block yourself off from help that could be received from yourself or other people.

Very sorry to hear that. I had depression starting from age 13 to 19. I attempted to even kill myself. Later I came to know it is normal for teens to go through it. Its pretty universal. Reasons always vary though.

My mother has been on antidepressants for the last 20 years, and she takes them faithfully because they help her. They balance the chemicals in her brain that she needs to feel better.

My mom used to take for her heart problem. It screwed her up in the mind though. Took a long time for us to realize that.

I feel the issue with society today is that many get caught up in the negative sides of life. They don't stop to realize that happiness is a choice, and emotions will only hurt as long as they allow them to. If someone is unhappy, they have the power to do something about it. I was able to realize this gradually over time, but some may need the help of a therapist to help them come to the conclusions that I did. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. We're social beings and sometimes we have to lean on others for support during times of need. The most important thing to me is that people who are depressed are trying to get help, no matter how they're doing it, and I can only hope that they truly want to receive it.

I apologize for the long post. ^^

Nah, don't apologize. Here is the thing, when an adult is literally depressed about nothing it is a problem and there can be many ways to eliminate it just as you have shown in your post. But this is not the issue. What I have observed about atheists is that they think too highly of professional "experts" just as sectarians think too highly of clerics. Depression is a big money making business. Once a person is hooked to an expert, it might not be that easy to leave him. Psychiatrists know how to get repeated visits.

huruf

impression is that the people who evetually do get out when I look back it seems like a miracle. Like if no sun rising next day was ever expected, because there was no sun or sunrising any ore and then one day rose. I may say it is because of this or that, and I suppose everything counts, may be also depression and others things simply have their run and when they have made their run simply end, or that somebody effective for whatever reason, even a professional, did a wise thing at a given moment... I still feel like a wonder...

I think in fact that professionals, at least some of them, are perfectly conscious that they are fighting a tremendous, very powerful enemy and they do not kid themselves that they are a match for it, but still they try at their end as best they can and sometimes they touch a key which does the trick...

Congratulations, Comrox, for getting out of that black hole. I am sure you example might help other people in similarly hopless condition.

Salaam

Comrox

Very sorry to hear that. I had depression starting from age 13 to 19. I attempted to even kill myself. Later I came to know it is normal for teens to go through it. Its pretty universal. Reasons always vary though.

Peace reel,

Agreed. I'm sorry you also suffered from depression and relieved that you are doing better.

My mom used to take for her heart problem. It screwed her up in the mind though. Took a long time for us to realize that.

Interesting, never heard of that before.

Nah, don't apologize. Here is the thing, when an adult is literally depressed about nothing it is a problem and there can be many ways to eliminate it just as you have shown in your post. But this is not the issue. What I have observed about atheists is that they think too highly of professional "experts" just as sectarians think too highly of clerics. Depression is a big money making business. Once a person is hooked to an expert, it might not be that easy to leave him. Psychiatrists know how to get repeated visits.

I agree that atheists think too highly of professional experts. A lot of people do. While I hope they have studied enough to be qualified for their position, they should still be regarded as people like us who do not have all the answers.

I was fortunate with my first therapist that she didn't seem to be looking for money as much as my second was. My first therapist decreased the frequency of my visits as soon as she thought I was getting better. They quickly stopped soon after. My second kept me there for a while though. S It can be a money making business and it's not moral.

impression is that the people who evetually do get out when I look back it seems like a miracle. Like if no sun rising next day was ever expected, because there was no sun or sunrising any ore and then one day rose.

Peace huruf,

I don't think I see my recovery as a miracle. I think for a time while I was depressed I discovered my answers and myself, I just couldn't acknowledge it yet. It took time, but I got there eventually. I do think depression evolves, and there are different stages of what one thinks is possible or not possible.

I may say it is because of this or that, and I suppose everything counts, may be also depression and others things simply have their run and when they have made their run simply end, or that somebody effective for whatever reason, even a professional, did a wise thing at a given moment... I still feel like a wonder...

For some people I agree that depression runs its course and then leaves. In my opinion these are the people who, when depressed, are still out socializing and distracting themselves from the pain. They are getting postively involved in society. Leaving depression behind for them is a natural and smooth transition, and one that they might not even realize until they're over it.

For others I feel like they go through a stage where they are constantly bombarded by negative thoughts and activity. As long as they stay this way, the depression never runs its course. It can last their whole lives.

If they get involved with society, then the transition is natural and the depression slowly leaves.

Just my thoughts.

I think in fact that professionals, at least some of them, are perfectly conscious that they are fighting a tremendous, very powerful enemy and they do not kid themselves that they are a match for it, but still they try at their end as best they can and sometimes they touch a key which does the trick...

Agreed.

Congratulations, Comrox, for getting out of that black hole. I am sure you example might help other people in similarly hopless condition.

Salaam

Thank you.

I think we all have an innate nature to be kind to ourselves, but also harsh to ourselves, and no matter who you are or what you believe in, we should all be trying to strike that balance.

reel

Peace reel,

Agreed. I'm sorry you also suffered from depression and relieved that you are doing better.

Nay, its okay now.

I was fortunate with my first therapist that she didn't seem to be looking for money as much as my second was. My first therapist decreased the frequency of my visits as soon as she thought I was getting better. They quickly stopped soon after. My second kept me there for a while though. S It can be a money making business and it's not moral.

Glad to hear you got a good person ) Its pretty hard to find one like them.

I agree that atheists think too highly of professional experts. A lot of people do. While I hope they have studied enough to be qualified for their position, they should still be regarded as people like us who do not have all the answers.

Just let me add that plenty of snobs exist within the phd level. One of the worst comments I ever saw was from a physicist. He claimed he did not require anymore learning because he already knew everything. I wonder what he did for a living. People like him blind others from seeing what you mentioned above.

Media is, of course, another criminal promoting the appeal to authority fallacy. I have also been disappointed at some professors who keep enforcing citations in the classes so much that it takes away students' ability to have original thought process. It seems to be a great brainwashing tool telling us not trust our own feelings and opinion.Quite similar to what sectarians do D

Prophet Muhammad Bukhari(SAW) said, ?Whoever says something in interpreting the Qur?an based on his own opinion should find his place in the Fire.?

Atheist hadith would like this ?Whoever says something in interpreting his feelings based on his own opinion should find his place in the Fire.?

If the consensus of the Ulema is that God exists then he exists P
peace

Man_of_Faith

Just let me add that plenty of snobs exist within the phd level. One of the worst comments I ever saw was from a physicist. He claimed he did not require anymore learning because he already knew everything. I wonder what he did for a living. People like him blind others from seeing what you mentioned above.

Media is, of course, another criminal promoting the appeal to authority fallacy. I have also been disappointed at some professors who keep enforcing citations in the classes so much that it takes away students' ability to have original thought process. It seems to be a great brainwashing tool telling us not trust our own feelings and opinion.Quite similar to what sectarians do D

Prophet Muhammad Bukhari(SAW) said, ?Whoever says something in interpreting the Qur?an based on his own opinion should find his place in the Fire.?

Atheist hadith would like this ?Whoever says something in interpreting his feelings based on his own opinion should find his place in the Fire.?

If the consensus of the Ulema is that God exists then he exists P

Let me just add that there are THEISTS who are as arrogant and there are of this kin of have exaggerated faith in their scholars. It does not have to do with religious conviction but about the affection of the Homo Sapiens body and its influence on the superior Spirit seed of us which in many cases remain undeveloped.

Be well
Amenuel

Comrox

Peace reel and Man of Faith,

Just let me add that plenty of snobs exist within the phd level. One of the worst comments I ever saw was from a physicist. He claimed he did not require anymore learning because he already knew everything. I wonder what he did for a living. People like him blind others from seeing what you mentioned above.

That's so sad. I hope I never reach a point when I want to stop learning, insha'allah.

Media is, of course, another criminal promoting the appeal to authority fallacy. I have also been disappointed at some professors who keep enforcing citations in the classes so much that it takes away students' ability to have original thought process. It seems to be a great brainwashing tool telling us not trust our own feelings and opinion.Quite similar to what sectarians do D

In my classes I've definitely seen professors trying to promote a certain viewpoint. Last semester I had a professor who didn't seem to know that she was promoting a viewpoint (probably because she kept repeating that we could believe whatever we wanted to believe). I think self-awareness is so important. There are so many ways to grow in knowledge, but there are also so many ways to limit ourselves, and limit other people. In my experience people get so wrapped up in themselves they don't see how they are affecting others and projecting their own views onto them. Of course, I am definitely guilty of this as well.

Prophet Muhammad Bukhari(SAW) said, ?Whoever says something in interpreting the Qur?an based on his own opinion should find his place in the Fire.?

Atheist hadith would like this ?Whoever says something in interpreting his feelings based on his own opinion should find his place in the Fire.?

If the consensus of the Ulema is that God exists then he exists P
peace

Interesting hadith. My Muslim professor mentioned something last week about how interpretation causes problems and divisions among religions. He was lecturing like he didn't believe there is any true interpretation of religion that either exists now or can be known anymore. I asked him after class about it, and he confirmed that he didn't believe there is a true interpretation, and it's all a matter of the heart. That's why I try to do good - that desire to be there for others and help them is in my heart.

Let me just add that there are THEISTS who are as arrogant and there are of this kin of have exaggerated faith in their scholars. It does not have to do with religious conviction but about the affection of the Homo Sapiens body and its influence on the superior Spirit seed of us which in many cases remain undeveloped.

Be well
Amenuel

Agreed, every person can have exaggerated faith in another person/people/certain ideology/etc. I've been having a discussion on YouTube with someone for a couple days. They were confused about hadith and didn't know what to think. I explained what I thought and encouraged them to really think about their beliefs. They initially thanked me and seemed to consider what I was saying. They stopped replying for a few days. All of a sudden they replied back, implying that I may be going to hell because of my beliefs if they chose to believe in the teachings of a certain scholar. It seems that they deleted the comment and all previous ones, but not before I saw that one comment.

reel

It does not have to do with religious conviction but about the affection of the Homo Sapiens body and its influence on the superior Spirit seed of us which in many cases remain undeveloped.

In that sense, most animals are far more individualistic. Plenty of them live without following another of their kind.

That's so sad. I hope I never reach a point when I want to stop learning, insha'allah.

You won't go towards that path because you know how to control mind.

In my classes I've definitely seen professors trying to promote a certain viewpoint. Last semester I had a professor who didn't seem to know that she was promoting a viewpoint (probably because she kept repeating that we could believe whatever we wanted to believe). I think self-awareness is so important. There are so many ways to grow in knowledge, but there are also so many ways to limit ourselves, and limit other people. In my experience people get so wrapped up in themselves they don't see how they are affecting others and projecting their own views onto them. Of course, I am definitely guilty of this as well.

You will probably meet plenty of professors like her. I agree with you about everything you said. We are guilty of limiting ourselves as well as others. But it seems that the mainstream culture can't operate without it.

Interesting hadith. My Muslim professor mentioned something last week about how interpretation causes problems and divisions among religions. He was lecturing like he didn't believe there is any true interpretation of religion that either exists now or can be known anymore.

It seems he is a bit wrong there. Every time I go to find out about the early days of Islam I come across the same old news that Sahih fabrications have been the main driving force behind all the divisions. The problems he speaks about come from the distorted interpretations of Quran verses found in them. We are struggling with the meanings of the verses mainly because of them. But as per 6112, it was bound to happen. Probably, it is a way for Allah to test us?

Sharh Najh ul Balagha by Izz al-Din Abd al-Hamid ibn Hibat-Allah ibn Abi al-Hadid
"Lies were introduced in Hadeeth on merits originally by Shi?a. They in the beginning fabricated many Hadeeth in favour of their man motivated by enmity towards their opponents. When Bakriyya
found out what Shi?a had done they fabricated on their part Hadeeth in favour of their man.?

"Then Mu`awiya wrote to his governors saying "Hadith about Uthman has increased and spread in every city, town and region. When this letter from me reaches you, summon the people to relate the merits of the Companions and the first caliphs. And do not let any Muslim relate anything about Ali without bringing something contradicting this about the Companions. This I like better and it pleases me more, it invalidates Abu Turab's claims and those of his Shi'ite in a more definitive way and it is for them more difficult to bear than the virtues and the merits of Uthman."

"Mu`awiya's letters were read out to the people. And many forged reports concerning the merits of the Companions, in which there was no truth, were related. The people went out of their way in relating reports in this vein until they spoke thereof in glowing terms from the pulpits. The teachers in the schools were instructed to teach their young pupils a vast quantity of these until they related them just as they studied the Qur'an and they taught these to their daughters, wives and servants. God knows how long they persisted in this."

In today's time, they are known as institutional truth.

I asked him after class about it, and he confirmed that he didn't believe there is a true interpretation, and it's all a matter of the heart. That's why I try to do good - that desire to be there for others and help them is in my heart.

There are some metaphors in the Quran and Allah does confirm that no one knows all the true interpretations except him. But I don't see it as a reason to reject what we know or find. It is all in signs which unfortunately the sectarians reject.

Man_of_Faith

reel,

That was the incorrect interpretation of what I wrote.

There are different species whose instincts work in different ways, yet the point is the fact they are following those slavishly and it is which causes them to be lifeless. Being alive is when you determine or at least is a part of determining your own fate rather than being controlled. Humans who are very susceptible to their instincts have no control over much at all but follow those blindly. When you cannot make an independent choice then you have no power of determining either because someone else choose for you, usually because they can abuse your instinctive drive. In the case of being a victim of your instinct is that devised prophetic determinations works well on you as you are lifeless and too influenced by what you are too weak to resist.

The world's events right now is an example of the above. The events of IS (Daesh/Ignorant Satans) was prophesied by Isaiah some millennia ago and those members are pawns of that determination without any ability themselves to desist. It is because the weakness of the instinct and lifelessness is so severe they can be played into the hands of the prophecy. And it is those who compiled the utterly false and incorrect interpretation of Quran who began that evil spiral which has its final trigger now.

Rabb already knew when Quran was made written that things would be like this. It was already prophesied. Quran was to have a false interpretation for a time. It is just a good example of human sheepishness.

The wise person, when they could not understand Quran properly or found the available interpretations unsound, would obviously look for the teachings of the Messiah Eysua. There you have a worthy elaboration upon the so-called 'Ten Commandments'. And that without listening to ignorant Christian clerics who even contradict what the man said.

Once more I reiterate Rabb's point to Moses; "I am who am I" and Jesus'; "I am in the Father and the Father in me". In those quotes you have the whole model of spirituality in a nutshell. Those are authentic sayings from a historical perspective.

"La elah ila allah" - to be who is is to be like who is, or by your incorrect understanding of "la" - "no who is except who is like" alternatively "no being except being like". Important to know contains a third-person pronoun suffix though, i.e. by paraphrasing in English "no one is being except who is (definitely) being" (hard to translate the emphatic Allah (double lam) into English).

Wish you would be trusting me on this.

Be well
Amenuel

reel

reel,

That was the incorrect interpretation of what I wrote.

There are different species whose instincts work in different ways, yet the point is the fact they are following those slavishly and it is which causes them to be lifeless.

Thank you for the clarification. After pondering upon the Quranic verses, I have come to realize that our main struggle is to defend our individualism in a way that we can progress and become more civilized instead of going backward.

Humans who are very susceptible to their instincts have no control over much at all but follow those blindly. When you cannot make an independent choice then you have no power of determining either because someone else choose for you, usually because they can abuse your instinctive drive. In the case of being a victim of your instinct is that devised prophetic determinations works well on you as you are lifeless and too influenced by what you are too weak to resist.

In some places, we don't have any options at all. But I do wonder why it is so difficult for educated people to recognize shallowness and patterns in the events.

The world's events right now is an example of the above. The events of IS (Daesh/Ignorant Satans) was prophesied by Isaiah some millennia ago and those members are pawns of that determination without any ability themselves to desist. It is because the weakness of the instinct and lifelessness is so severe they can be played into the hands of the prophecy. And it is those who compiled the utterly false and incorrect interpretation of Quran who began that evil spiral which has its final trigger now.

Rabb already knew when Quran was made written that things would be like this. It was already prophesied. Quran was to have a false interpretation for a time. It is just a good example of human sheepishness.

The wise person, when they could not understand Quran properly or found the available interpretations unsound, would obviously look for the teachings of the Messiah Eysua. There you have a worthy elaboration upon the so-called 'Ten Commandments'. And that without listening to ignorant Christian clerics who even contradict what the man said.

Once more I reiterate Rabb's point to Moses; "I am who am I" and Jesus'; "I am in the Father and the Father in me". In those quotes you have the whole model of spirituality in a nutshell. Those are authentic sayings from a historical perspective.

"La elah ila allah" - to be who is is to be like who is, or by your incorrect understanding of "la" - "no who is except who is like" alternatively "no being except being like". Important to know contains a third-person pronoun suffix though, i.e. by paraphrasing in English "no one is being except who is (definitely) being" (hard to translate the emphatic Allah (double lam) into English).

Wish you would be trusting me on this.

Be well

Not all the interpretations of the Quran are incorrect. At the same time, not all read the Quran anymore. It is abandoned for which we are a laughing stock for the sectarians.

When it comes to negative world events I see them as more like curse for those who have abandoned the idea of being humans. They don't need to happen. They are here because some groups have gone to an extreme to oppress people. I see it as more like a game now in which all brainwashed groups go around attacking one another.

Man_of_Faith

I have found little to no accuracy when deciphering Quran during my project. But of course it is not official yet. It is interesting that you can make what you said out in that translation you have, I reckon it has to do with your intelligence and you just happened to find something that looks like it.

Instincts can be suppressed in virtually all cases for a determined person. But I agree, it is indeed hard to separate that primate body from your person, and is so also for me, but it is necessary to make a clear distinction.

Be well
Amenuel

reel

I have found little to no accuracy when deciphering Quran during my project. But of course it is not official yet. It is interesting that you can make what you said out in that translation you have, I reckon it has to do with your intelligence and you just happened to find something that looks like it.

Instincts can be suppressed in virtually all cases for a determined person. But I agree, it is indeed hard to separate that primate body from your person, and is so also for me, but it is necessary to make a clear distinction.

Be well
Amenuel

Don't you think it is arrogant to claim that one knows the entire truth about Quran and then going around saying anyone who doesn't agree with it is simply being a primate?

How does it make one different and truthful exactly???
Examples

I believe science is the only way to knowing the truth. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is crazy.
Everyone around the world should follow only my secular lifestyle.
Haahaha, you are just jealous of us because you don't get laid.
I don't believe in God and this is the truth everyone should follow.

Man_of_Faith

Hello reel,

You have surely interpreted it strangely to extract that I say "anyone who does not agree with it are primates". That is not what I have said.

Furthermore your interpretation of what I have written is incorrect.

I do not claim science is the ONLY way of knowing the truth, in fact scientists are not always right, but science can be used to empirically study things.
I have not claimed that and I am not secular depending on the perspective as I am a theist and even monotheistic deep below (I call the phenomenon mono-pantheism in lack of words since Being (Allah) is One). I am not the only one who have given helpful information about Rabb's realm throughout history.
That is something you lack knowledge about. I hold back despite it is sometimes painful and it is a deliberate choice in order to combat the instinct.
What is this claim? "I don't believe in God", where have you gotten this from? I more than believe in God to begin with.

I sense annoyance in you however and thus an emotional outburst. Better control those flows of emotions. I mean otherwise you could have at least come with a better interpretation of my stance as I have elaborated upon it quite much over time.

Be well
Amenuel

Man_of_Faith

Forgot to mention, everyone here in this world attached to a body is in a primate, EVEN I AM. The difference is I affirm this condition and do not identify myself with it and succumb to is drive which is the real Satan. That is what I have taught rounded up.

reel

Hello reel,

You have surely interpreted it strangely to extract that I say "anyone who does not agree with it are primates". That is not what I have said.

Furthermore your interpretation of what I have written is incorrect.

I do not claim science is the ONLY way of knowing the truth, in fact scientists are not always right, but science can be used to empirically study things.
I have not claimed that and I am not secular depending on the perspective as I am a theist and even monotheistic deep below (I call the phenomenon mono-pantheism in lack of words since Being (Allah) is One). I am not the only one who have given helpful information about Rabb's realm throughout history.
That is something you lack knowledge about. I hold back despite it is sometimes painful and it is a deliberate choice in order to combat the instinct.
What is this claim? "I don't believe in God", where have you gotten this from? I more than believe in God to begin with.

I sense annoyance in you however and thus an emotional outburst. Better control those flows of emotions. I mean otherwise you could have at least come with a better interpretation of my stance as I have elaborated upon it quite much over time.

Be well
Amenuel

Nope, I was not saying you hold onto those views. I gave examples of those who believe anyone who doesn't follow what they follow has some kind of problem. I know you are far more understanding than them. So I wouldn't wish you to follow their path.

SarahY

People are social beings that why you should be good to humans. Most people want to live in peace and harmony.

Apparently humans realise oxytocin and other feel good hormones when they do good.

imrankhawaja

this question we should need to ask from athiest,

if no God exist , and people firmly beleive on it, then this planet will more likely a war ground , every body will rob rape murder everyone, as they know already no body/God will gona ask anything ,

infact they will say there is law and police there, again even if police and law exist ,warlord/don.gansgter keep them in pocket .

Comrox

this question we should need to ask from athiest,

if no God exist , and people firmly beleive on it, then this planet will more likely a war ground , every body will rob rape murder everyone, as they know already no body/God will gona ask anything ,

infact they will say there is law and police there, again even if police and law exist ,warlord/don.gansgter keep them in pocket .

A lot of atheists will deny this.

As SarahY said, most people are peaceful and want to live in peace.

IMO people shouldn't do good out of fear of God or eternal Hell or whatever. They should do it for the good of their hearts (and many people do). I've seen many atheists say that because we only have one life to live, that means we should live it as best as we can. We should be good and tolerant to others because we're all only here for a short while anyway and we only have one shot at this.

The above is a very positive approach to life.

Everything is better when there is peace. At some level, cooperation and peace between humans MUST exist. People realize this. Even those who are murderers or terrorists have people in their life that they love and care about (or are at least loyal to). Belief in God, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with this human need for peace (and love).