No God Exists: Why Should I Be Good to humans?

Man_of_Faith

Hello reel,

You have surely interpreted it strangely to extract that I say "anyone who does not agree with it are primates". That is not what I have said.

Furthermore your interpretation of what I have written is incorrect.

I do not claim science is the ONLY way of knowing the truth, in fact scientists are not always right, but science can be used to empirically study things.
I have not claimed that and I am not secular depending on the perspective as I am a theist and even monotheistic deep below (I call the phenomenon mono-pantheism in lack of words since Being (Allah) is One). I am not the only one who have given helpful information about Rabb's realm throughout history.
That is something you lack knowledge about. I hold back despite it is sometimes painful and it is a deliberate choice in order to combat the instinct.
What is this claim? "I don't believe in God", where have you gotten this from? I more than believe in God to begin with.

I sense annoyance in you however and thus an emotional outburst. Better control those flows of emotions. I mean otherwise you could have at least come with a better interpretation of my stance as I have elaborated upon it quite much over time.

Be well
Amenuel

Man_of_Faith

Forgot to mention, everyone here in this world attached to a body is in a primate, EVEN I AM. The difference is I affirm this condition and do not identify myself with it and succumb to is drive which is the real Satan. That is what I have taught rounded up.

reel

Hello reel,

You have surely interpreted it strangely to extract that I say "anyone who does not agree with it are primates". That is not what I have said.

Furthermore your interpretation of what I have written is incorrect.

I do not claim science is the ONLY way of knowing the truth, in fact scientists are not always right, but science can be used to empirically study things.
I have not claimed that and I am not secular depending on the perspective as I am a theist and even monotheistic deep below (I call the phenomenon mono-pantheism in lack of words since Being (Allah) is One). I am not the only one who have given helpful information about Rabb's realm throughout history.
That is something you lack knowledge about. I hold back despite it is sometimes painful and it is a deliberate choice in order to combat the instinct.
What is this claim? "I don't believe in God", where have you gotten this from? I more than believe in God to begin with.

I sense annoyance in you however and thus an emotional outburst. Better control those flows of emotions. I mean otherwise you could have at least come with a better interpretation of my stance as I have elaborated upon it quite much over time.

Be well
Amenuel

Nope, I was not saying you hold onto those views. I gave examples of those who believe anyone who doesn't follow what they follow has some kind of problem. I know you are far more understanding than them. So I wouldn't wish you to follow their path.

SarahY

People are social beings that why you should be good to humans. Most people want to live in peace and harmony.

Apparently humans realise oxytocin and other feel good hormones when they do good.

imrankhawaja

this question we should need to ask from athiest,

if no God exist , and people firmly beleive on it, then this planet will more likely a war ground , every body will rob rape murder everyone, as they know already no body/God will gona ask anything ,

infact they will say there is law and police there, again even if police and law exist ,warlord/don.gansgter keep them in pocket .

Comrox

this question we should need to ask from athiest,

if no God exist , and people firmly beleive on it, then this planet will more likely a war ground , every body will rob rape murder everyone, as they know already no body/God will gona ask anything ,

infact they will say there is law and police there, again even if police and law exist ,warlord/don.gansgter keep them in pocket .

A lot of atheists will deny this.

As SarahY said, most people are peaceful and want to live in peace.

IMO people shouldn't do good out of fear of God or eternal Hell or whatever. They should do it for the good of their hearts (and many people do). I've seen many atheists say that because we only have one life to live, that means we should live it as best as we can. We should be good and tolerant to others because we're all only here for a short while anyway and we only have one shot at this.

The above is a very positive approach to life.

Everything is better when there is peace. At some level, cooperation and peace between humans MUST exist. People realize this. Even those who are murderers or terrorists have people in their life that they love and care about (or are at least loyal to). Belief in God, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with this human need for peace (and love).

virginia

As a convinced atheist the most part of my life i think I can help with the question.
The idea of good and bad and therefore equilibrium in this life is not exclusive of religion. Actually most atheists are really good people in all senses and people with a high sense of reasoning. What they don't accept is the idea of a divine being or entity telling you what to do, so what they reject the most is the idea of world and human individuals being controlled by a fabricated idea of a super being. God is for them a form of repression and control, and given what religions actually are, I don't blame them at all. They understand divinity as a tale for unlettered people to behave.
Another basic point for atheism is the idea of the afterlife and a final yaumidiin. They reject it and exactly because they reject it they live acording to their conciense. Living one life and nothing else drives you to the conclusion that you have to live your life as good as you can, but "as good as you can" does not mean only epicureal pleasures or doing whatever you want. It means living with a clean concious and not guilty. Many atheists are wonderful people, even better than many believers. My husband is an example. The feeling of doing good things and the correct is bigger and more sublime that the feeling of freedom or killing or making fortune or having sex or any other pleasure in this life. Human being knows that in his insight there is something special (reasoning, intelligence, high sense of ethics?) that drives him to reject animal instincts and turns towards cosmic equilibrium. So, having to live with the idea of just one live does not drives you directly to the point that you can do whatever pleases you, there's a higher sense in all of us that makes us search for justice. I believe this justice is God. He won't condemn good people, even if they din't believe in Him. He's not only in the Qur'an, hus ayats are everywhere.
About bad people, killers, rapers, enviers, manipulators... There are of those even among the believers, but I doubt if they can sleep at night, and at some point in their life they would feel bad and repentant, the sense of justice talking inside The point is your life to make sense "what did you do in your life?" You ask yourself "i managed to make a fortune". This is just poor and every human being understands that this is not happiness.
So, what does "atheist" mean it means no god. But what is God? Only the one talking in the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an its only miracle? Good people believe in God, either they practice Islam or they practice this sense of "justice" (isn't it God?) we all have Inside. God has revealed Himself in many ways.
Yeah, I believe there will be many atheist in jannah, and Allah will be pleased with them.

Comrox

Peace,

As a convinced atheist the most part of my life i think I can help with the question.
The idea of good and bad and therefore equilibrium in this life is not exclusive of religion. Actually most atheists are really good people in all senses and people with a high sense of reasoning. What they don't accept is the idea of a divine being or entity telling you what to do, so what they reject the most is the idea of world and human individuals being controlled by a fabricated idea of a super being. God is for them a form of repression and control, and given what religions actually are, I don't blame them at all. They understand divinity as a tale for unlettered people to behave.
Another basic point for atheism is the idea of the afterlife and a final yaumidiin. They reject it and exactly because they reject it they live acording to their conciense. Living one life and nothing else drives you to the conclusion that you have to live your life as good as you can, but "as good as you can" does not mean only epicureal pleasures or doing whatever you want. It means living with a clean concious and not guilty. Many atheists are wonderful people, even better than many believers. My husband is an example. The feeling of doing good things and the correct is bigger and more sublime that the feeling of freedom or killing or making fortune or having sex or any other pleasure in this life. Human being knows that in his insight there is something special (reasoning, intelligence, high sense of ethics?) that drives him to reject animal instincts and turns towards cosmic equilibrium. So, having to live with the idea of just one live does not drives you directly to the point that you can do whatever pleases you, there's a higher sense in all of us that makes us search for justice. I believe this justice is God. He won't condemn good people, even if they din't believe in Him. He's not only in the Qur'an, hus ayats are everywhere.
About bad people, killers, rapers, enviers, manipulators... There are of those even among the believers, but I doubt if they can sleep at night, and at some point in their life they would feel bad and repentant, the sense of justice talking inside The point is your life to make sense "what did you do in your life?" You ask yourself "i managed to make a fortune". This is just poor and every human being understands that this is not happiness.
So, what does "atheist" mean it means no god. But what is God? Only the one talking in the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an its only miracle? Good people believe in God, either they practice Islam or they practice this sense of "justice" (isn't it God?) we all have Inside. God has revealed Himself in many ways.
Yeah, I believe there will be many atheist in jannah, and Allah will be pleased with them.

The sentence I bolded, I like that sentence a lot. ) Beautiful.

Have you ever seen this video virginia? (click here)

imrankhawaja

A lot of atheists will deny this.

As SarahY said, most people are peaceful and want to live in peace.

IMO people shouldn't do good out of fear of God or eternal Hell or whatever. They should do it for the good of their hearts (and many people do). I've seen many atheists say that because we only have one life to live, that means we should live it as best as we can. We should be good and tolerant to others because we're all only here for a short while anyway and we only have one shot at this.

The above is a very positive approach to life.

Everything is better when there is peace. At some level, cooperation and peace between humans MUST exist. People realize this. Even those who are murderers or terrorists have people in their life that they love and care about (or are at least loyal to). Belief in God, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with this human need for peace (and love).

ok how you will gona make understand the one who dnt beleive in God and for his sake if he rob anybody, he is not doin anything wrong, prove me logically theft is wrong, as far he concern if he theft somebody he will live in peace, he cat eat five star hotel food, live a nice life,
he dnt need to worry about suystem, he can bribe system with theft money so, logically robbing for him is not wrong, but its good for him to rob people,

i know most of people are kind hearted but there r some freaks out there as well, and i m addressing this to these freaks,

virginia

!!! I subscribe every single word of this man! Each one! Thank you so much, what an inspiration to start my day! God bless you, hace a nice day you too!!

imrankhawaja

yeh exactly this video make sense and thats what i m saying God is not unjust and he will decide the matter with everybody according to the conditions pprovided to that soule, peace

reel

As a convinced atheist the most part of my life i think I can help with the question.
The idea of good and bad and therefore equilibrium in this life is not exclusive of religion. Actually most atheists are really good people in all senses and people with a high sense of reasoning. What they don't accept is the idea of a divine being or entity telling you what to do, so what they reject the most is the idea of world and human individuals being controlled by a fabricated idea of a super being. God is for them a form of repression and control, and given what religions actually are, I don't blame them at all. They understand divinity as a tale for unlettered people to behave.
Another basic point for atheism is the idea of the afterlife and a final yaumidiin. They reject it and exactly because they reject it they live acording to their conciense. Living one life and nothing else drives you to the conclusion that you have to live your life as good as you can, but "as good as you can" does not mean only epicureal pleasures or doing whatever you want. It means living with a clean concious and not guilty. Many atheists are wonderful people, even better than many believers. My husband is an example. The feeling of doing good things and the correct is bigger and more sublime that the feeling of freedom or killing or making fortune or having sex or any other pleasure in this life. Human being knows that in his insight there is something special (reasoning, intelligence, high sense of ethics?) that drives him to reject animal instincts and turns towards cosmic equilibrium. So, having to live with the idea of just one live does not drives you directly to the point that you can do whatever pleases you, there's a higher sense in all of us that makes us search for justice. I believe this justice is God. He won't condemn good people, even if they din't believe in Him. He's not only in the Qur'an, hus ayats are everywhere.
About bad people, killers, rapers, enviers, manipulators... There are of those even among the believers, but I doubt if they can sleep at night, and at some point in their life they would feel bad and repentant, the sense of justice talking inside The point is your life to make sense "what did you do in your life?" You ask yourself "i managed to make a fortune". This is just poor and every human being understands that this is not happiness.
So, what does "atheist" mean it means no god. But what is God? Only the one talking in the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an its only miracle? Good people believe in God, either they practice Islam or they practice this sense of "justice" (isn't it God?) we all have Inside. God has revealed Himself in many ways.
Yeah, I believe there will be many atheist in jannah, and Allah will be pleased with them.

The post is about the world where only atheism exists. Not the current time.

reel

People are social beings that why you should be good to humans. Most people want to live in peace and harmony.

Yet we have jails, murders, illegal wars, divorces....today's wars are based on intelligence reports and crisis design, both are parts of rationality in which the atheism finds its backbone.

Being a social being does not instantly make one good. Fraternity brothers are extreme social beings, but they are more likely to do sexual assault. And some of their houses are known as rape factory.

Apparently humans realise oxytocin and other feel good hormones when they do good.

oxytocin is also released after sex and when shooting for fun. it is the hormone of relaxation. So if someone is in dire need of money he can release it by solving the problem and that can include stealing the money from someone else.

huruf

ok how you will gona make understand the one who dnt beleive in God and for his sake if he rob anybody, he is not doin anything wrong, prove me logically theft is wrong, as far he concern if he theft somebody he will live in peace, he cat eat five star hotel food, live a nice life,
he dnt need to worry about suystem, he can bribe system with theft money so, logically robbing for him is not wrong, but its good for him to rob people,

i know most of people are kind hearted but there r some freaks out there as well, and i m addressing this to these freaks,

Even if somebody mentally comes to not acknowledge the existenc of "God", what h or she mentally understands as God, the human fitra nonetheless exists and because of that human fitra there is a clear idea of right and wrong. No person who has not a mental diease lacks it except that he or she deliberately stiffles it becuase mentallyd oes not believee i it or because morally rennounces it. O the other hand there are many self-called believers who in fact stiffle th fitra xand turn themslevs into animals, which of course they can't be, so what they attain is not animality but bestiality.

But even where there is "no god" the fitra tells a person between right and wrong, ad that is the reason that in fact some called who call themselves on believers are in jact just commpassionate and self sacrificig for the sake of others.

Salaam

virginia

Exactly, that's about there is always a principle ruling human behavior and it does not mean necessary "evil".

imrankhawaja

But even where there is "no god" the fitra tells a person between right and wrong, ad that is the reason that in fact some called who call themselves on believers are in jact just commpassionate and self sacrificig for the sake of others.

Salaam

i am asking prove me logically what wrong in theft, for (thief) as long as he enjoying the benefits of theft robbery , why should he sacrifice at the first place when he have guts to live nice life by robbing other people ? why the hell he will sacrifice ? human being is always very selfish. but question here is what make us stop for being bad ?

about fitrat , diff people have diff fitrat , a fitrat of rapist feel right to rape, a fitrat of thief fee right to steal, a fitrat of Good person feel good to help/sacrifce. the last fitrat no body have issues how you will sort the first two catagories.

salam

imrankhawaja

The post is about the world where only atheism exists. Not the current time.

exactly where there is no messengers reach to introduce Allah, but as far i kknow even inn jungles of africa where there is no advance civilisation , they born on natural firtat, deen e fitrat. and they do sujood and glorify a supreme being on every susset and sunrise, i forget the name of that documentry ,

but for the generations like us when the truth is infront of them they will just deny it due to the eggo and due to easy way out of spending life he/she claim himself athiest , just simply they think whatever they will do no body will gona ask them,

i have three close athiest friends , when i ask from them why do u not beleive in God , they very first answer becoz we dnt have any proof that god exist and then they said we are god we control ourself, apart from this they are nice and civilised, is it not unjstice to claim or think i m god when they know from their heart what is truth, they know they cant even control their life, or death, is that they deifne God in their image, they will go to hell fire defiantely,

imrankhawaja

athiest problem number one, he dnt believe in hell fire and hereafter?

answer to them,

753 Does man think that We will not gather his bones?
754 Indeed, We were able to make his very fingertips.

athiest problem number 2, underestimation of creator?

3131 Have you not seen the ships sailing in the sea by the grace of God,
so that He shows you some of His signs? In that are signs for
every one who is patient, thankful.

3132 And when waves surround them like mountains, they call on
God, sincerely devoting the system to Him. But when He saves
them to the shore, some of them return. None discard Our signs
except those who are betrayers, rejecters.

athiest problem number three, they want to control their life,, or they think they are controlling their life.

7536 Did man think that he will be left neglected?
7537 Was he not a seed from sperm put forth?
7538 Then he was an embryo, so he was created and developed.
7539 Then He made from it the pair, the male and the female.
7540 Is One as such then not able to resurrect the dead?

761 Was there not a time in the past when man was nothing to even be
mentioned?
762 We have created man from a mixed seed; We test him, so We made
him hear and see.
763 We have guided him to the path, either to be thankful or to reject.

there are lot more problems of them just few i mention why athiesm is not favorable in any way

problem four agnostic and athiest cannot be same , as agnostic is not rejecting God he is looking for God, but athiest clearly reject the God and stubborn on it. same like firoonof moses and king of abraaham time.even the truth prevail on them but they still stick with ego and pride.

So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless
10 92 sura younus

if still they athiest are claiming there is no evidence so we reject God thats not the case in current world,

peace

huruf

i am asking prove me logically what wrong in theft, for (thief) as long as he enjoying the benefits of theft robbery , why should he sacrifice at the first place when he have guts to live nice life by robbing other people ? why the hell he will sacrifice ? human being is always very selfish. but question here is what make us stop for being bad ?
salam

Completely wrong,

A person may see nothig wrong in gettingmoney from sombody who is nnot going to suffer for tht stolen money with hunger or need. But any person will understand that if he or she steals thhe money for food or shelter of persons who need it she is not doing something good. He is doing something bad. A person may not do so and steal in site of it, but then it would be not because he considers that a good act but because he has chosen to act so in site of it no being right. It is a moral choice.

You are wrong that huamns are bad nd selfish. There are many kinds of human of course, but no, mostly they do think there are propper and good things and bad things.

There my be many types of moral or inmoral perople but there isonly one human fitra. That is the fitra which tells anybody understandable universal rules of moral, like ot killing not doing bda in exchange for good, etc. It is through perversion that people do somethig else, nnot because they think it is right but because they thik they r going to be better off doing wrong. THEY KNOW IT. Their being rogue is not their nturl state, it is their choice because they think they will be greater that way.

about fitrat , diff people have diff fitrat , a fitrat of rapist feel right to rape, a fitrat of thief fee right to steal, a fitrat of Good person feel good to help/sacrifce. the last fitrat no body have issues how you will sort the first two catagories.

No there is not such a thing as anybody not drunk thinking genuinely that rape is right. You cnnot really believe that. Is it only fear of God to not rape anybody you fancy? I do ot think so, and if you did, then I would think you were rotten., shaytaic, shaytan. Yes, sgaytan, or if you did any other thing manifestly cruel or unjust. Would you think that it was right to have sombody being forced by you, writhing and terrified and that only the fear of God would prvent you from doing such a thing. Do you find that those things are really beautiful or covetable?

Tehere i no such a thing as humn being inevitable bad and only being good out of fear or obligation. Do you think your mothr took car of you or loves you out of feaar of Godd or by obligation? Would you love your kid or take care of them only because of fer of God or because being forced to it.

Would you smmile kidly to anybody becaue of fear of Go or because soebody forces you?

There is no, God forbid, the fitra of a rapist. That is not a fitr, tat is omething you hav to work for, and the fct that there may be a lot of eople working on attaining such personality does ot change the fact that that is conquered, not given as a birthright.

And omething else. Do ot orget the names of God, are many. A erso may not worshi God, but ay worship al 3dl, and that is a name of God, would anybody dare say that omeone who struggls for al 3adl is not struggling for God? If God is al 3adl then whoever gives his life for it is working in worshiping al 3adl.

Salaam

imrankhawaja