Quran Alone Muslims Need To Connect With One Another
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I feel that because we are such a small community of Muslims that we need to find ways to not only show we exist. But also organize better ways to communicate for example doing things like audio Podcasts online or something. A lot of us just communicate via facebook or forums like these. But don't you guys feel that we all should probably make speaking verbally. For example using platforms like google hangouts or skype.. make videos etc TOGETHER. I don't care how prideful we all are, every human WANTS to feel like they "belong".. So if anyone is interested in having a skype group, google hangouts chat let me know because WE ARE A COMMUNITY of people YOU are NOT alone.. It does not matter if you pray 5 times a day 3 times or day or NONE. We all are Monotheists to GOD ALONE and follow the QURAN ALONE so lets start an online community where we either communicate verbally or physically on video or on a radio station platform or something.. Message me if interested. We can do a Google Hangouts chat
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Hi Quranalone008,
I completely understand your sentiment of everyone wanting to 'belong' - there are a few issues to understand why this online community hasn't coalesced into a 'physical' one, for want of a better word. Some of the issues
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Physical distance - the members live on separate continents, mainly North America and Western Eurasia, and those that live in the same country live in cities that are hundreds of miles away from each other e.g. in the UK there may be a Quran alone muslim who uses this forum in London (largest UK city), another in Birmingham (2nd largest city) and a third in Manchester (3rd largest city), the problem with this is London is about 100 miles away from Birmingham which is 100 miles away from Manchester which is 200 miles away from London.
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Physical danger - there is always an associated danger when meeting strangers online, however for Quran alone Muslims there is an added danger in today's world in that they could fall victim to Wahhabi extremists.
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Spiritual dischord - this forum is less of a coherent and unified community and more of an electronic limbo for people in a state of spiritual confusion, no one agrees on anything contrasted with the many sects of other religions who are in much more agreement with themselves internally.
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Peace Quranalone008 and everyone else,
I have shared some of my thoughts about meeting muslims/monotheists (from FM) in real life. You can read about my thoughts in a few of my posts on FM. See the links below.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607803.msg375944#msg375944
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607803.msg375931#msg375931
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607803.msg376033#msg376033
My hope is that you will find the posts in the above-mentioned links helpful/resourceful.
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Peace Osman,
You are right. And that's freaky. And perhaps even a little scary P
Yeah, it seems that many members on FM think alike.
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I feel that because we are such a small community of Muslims that we need to find ways to not only show we exist. But also organize better ways to communicate for example doing things like audio Podcasts online or something. A lot of us just communicate via facebook or forums like these. But don't you guys feel that we all should probably make speaking verbally. For example using platforms like google hangouts or skype.. make videos etc TOGETHER. I don't care how prideful we all are, every human WANTS to feel like they "belong".. So if anyone is interested in having a skype group, google hangouts chat let me know because WE ARE A COMMUNITY of people YOU are NOT alone.. It does not matter if you pray 5 times a day 3 times or day or NONE. We all are Monotheists to GOD ALONE and follow the QURAN ALONE so lets start an online community where we either communicate verbally or physically on video or on a radio station platform or something.. Message me if interested. We can do a Google Hangouts chat
Sure, I'd like a skype group. My skype is jupit3r3, add me )
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- Spiritual dischord - this forum is less of a coherent and unified community and more of an electronic limbo for people in a state of spiritual confusion, no one agrees on anything contrasted with the many sects of other religions who are in much more agreement with themselves internally.
I think that is because people make themselves perplexed by a lot of nonsense.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
When Jesus said "I am in the father and the father is in me" It does not mean - The father is me?!!!!!!
It could mean "Your GOD is whatever is in your mind 24/7?!!! Why not? ( If you love the father with all your heart ,with all your mind and with all your soul that is a good explanation for it?)
Please explain/publish/show clearly your Arabic and its meaning so people here are not" perplexed"( Your own word)
If you are still completing your studies( as you keep claiming) ,then please wait until all is ready so we can check your findings properly.
At the moment, I cannot check any evidence from you( you have not provided any- apart from your own interpretation of selected verses from Qoran-)
I am saying this with respect and hoping that you can reflect and see that what you are saying is your opinion,like many of us do at various times.
Arabic language cannot be that mysterious and ambiguous! Surely GOD s instructions are not hidden that deep?
Please allow me to give you an example
A while back we had a conversation about this verse
You claimed the word "Yasaaa"] means "Isaiah". I said this is a verb not a name? and I gave you another similar examplehere
I said the verb means "came"( to deliver a message/something). I explained this verse ie about Moses, Isaiah was not alive/existing at that time according to the chronology of the bible?
We are reading the same Qoran, we are getting different meanings brother?
Who does this apply for quote
I think that is because people make themselves perplexed by a lot of nonsense.GOD bless you.
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At the moment, I cannot check any evidence from you( you have not provided any- apart from your own interpretation of selected verses from Qoran-)
Peace good logic,
I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you but I cannot help but think you're being completely hypocritical here - especially in light of recent discussions.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the points you're making in the context of this thread but you're hardly one to complain when someone isn't bringing any evidence to the table.
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Peace Osman.
Look at the context of my posts.
I only claim for me .I do not claim for anyone else.
Please provide me with a post of mine where I claimed anything and I have not provided evidence/Qoran .
Except where I say/claim it is my understanding only.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
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Peace good logic,
Look at the context of my posts.
I only claim for me .I do not claim for anyone else.
In the context of the thread "Why Should We Believe in the Quran is Divine?" I posed the question "On what authority do we have that the Quran is divine and sent from the ruler of the universe and therefore serves as the basis and framework for what we should follow?"
To which you replied
Qoran is either a miracle or tales from the past.
Some believe and some reject.
Why should you believe?
Like GOD said?" Believe in it or do not believe in it"?
Also proofs are for the believers.
For example some believe this,(and this is just one of many miracles to those who believe?)
http//submission.org/sign_in_the_universe.htmlGOD bless you.
Peace,You didn't provide proof, end of story.
It's all fair and well saying "Ah! But it's only a claim I make for myself!" - This serves as double standards as well as a very cheap cop out - basically you're saying you don't have to evidence any of your claims but Man of Faith has to evidence his. yeah
Please provide me with a post of mine where I claimed anything and I have not provided evidence/Qoran .
Except where I say/claim it is my understanding only.
Again, hypocritical behaviour between the way you want to be treated with the way you are treating Man of Faith.
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Peace Osman.
Again that post does not have any claims from me? I was asking you to check Qoran yourself in the context of the post!
Fairness is required from you as well .
For example why not list this other post from me? It confirms my point
Peace Osman.
I understand you.
Now let me see if I can clarify here so you can understand me.
It is not my job to convince you or anyone of the divinity of Qoran. I can only give you my view/understanding.
Like you I started my journey by checking the same claim.Among many claims that I checked was this one
http//submission.org/Word_of_God.htmlIt is a process that one must undertake and check for themselves, if they are serious about finding out.
Actually Qoran issues this challenge quite confidently and authoritatively.
Different people will give you different reasons of why they do or do not hold the Qoran as divine.
However you must check each claim yourself,study Qoran, and make up your own mind according to your findings.
I speak only for me when I say I have my answer and I am certain Qoran is divine.
Thank you for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
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Hello good logic,
When Jesus said "I am in the father and the father is in me" It does not mean - The father is me?!!!!!!
He meant that he is in the unity of God because there exists nothing other than God and he acknowledged that fact. And I often say that you should stand under His umbrella and thus be part of the family. The other people are lifeless rather than alive. Rather than the sectarian misconception, the purpose is to find merging rather than separation from the God "phenomenon" or you simply do not exist except that you yet believe you do since the test environment was determined to be corrupting and deluding and to make you believe a different way.
I also say "I am in the Father and the Father in me", it is not such a big deal and it is quite commendable actually. The Father parable is a metaphorical elaboration about the meaning of Allah, i.e. "who is as such" and the instruction from Genesis is that we are to be a mirror of God, i.e. He created us (to be) in His image and that is the emphatic linguistic term of elah which simply means "who is".
Please explain/publish/show clearly your Arabic and its meaning so people here are not" perplexed"( Your own word)
If you are still completing your studies( as you keep claiming) ,then please wait until all is ready so we can check your findings properly.
It is a work in progress and it is estimated that it is finished in about seven years, but that does not say I can be around and offer guidance based on what I know for those able to step out of their slumber.
I have explained a multitude of words here on this very forum and it should not be so hard to understand, for example, "allah" which I have spent lot of time to explain.
At the moment, I cannot check any evidence from you( you have not provided any- apart from your own interpretation of selected verses from Qoran-)
I am saying this with respect and hoping that you can reflect and see that what you are saying is your opinion,like many of us do at various times.
It is your opinion that it is my opinion, but I argue that it is not my opinion but such that the Arabic language speaks for itself. In the end you can call it God's opinion if you like to be that crude.
Actually the evidence is in what I say, for example when I make a thorough analysis of the word allah presented in front of your very eyes. Other evidence is right in my words that are produced using my fingertips.
A while back we had a conversation about this verse
You claimed the word "Yasaaa"] means "Isaiah". I said this is a verb not a name? and I gave you another similar examplehere
I said the verb means "came"( to deliver a message/something). I explained this verse ie about Moses, Isaiah was not alive/existing at that time according to the chronology of the bible?
This is the beauty of Arabic and the Semitic languages that standard words can either be standard words or they can be names. You can also use Yesua/Isa's name (the "Spiritiualizer" or whatever kind of structure in English you should make of it) and form a standard word using the language. Musa's name can also refer to diamond or jewelry or "the object with which you inscribe in stone"; you can refer to an ancient lexicon to verify this relatively easily, but you could probably also interpret it as "the one who make statutes" (due to the inscribing definition). Musa's name does not always refer to him as person but sometimes not, and that is true also for Isaiah.
Quran is a smart scripture and takes the emphasis away from the physical persons but rather speaks of their spiritual affinity. If their names are used the context usually speaks of what they usually stand for by the literal meaning of their "names" (in this language family/tradition words used for names have utterly descriptive usage describing features of their perceived function/personality/lifestyle/destiny/fate). Rabb is also used as a "name " in Quran (see "ya Rabb", but several times it does also refer to the same phenomenon as I spoke about in this very same paragraph, i.e. speaks of function/destiny (etc) and Rabb is literally saying "providing sustenance/foundation".
Yes'ayue is the proper pronunciation of because you need to follow the usage of letters in formation. That is exactly the famous person Isaiah's traditional pronunciation.
The reason why you believe this is not Isaiah is because of all the nonsense you have been fed until now, and probably accept yourself to continue to be fed since you do not accept my elaborations. And you do not have to accept anything and I do not owe you anything for that sake either. In fact I respond to you as a courtesy since everyone is eligible of enlightenment and it is not my decision to make who gets to hear. If what I provide you does not avail you then you can just disregard what I write and continue with what you are doing, it is you who elicited a response. Fortunately this is a public forum and even if you reject this there is a multitude of other people who have the chance to acknowledge the same and make their own personal evaluation.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
I do not believe you are insisting " Yasaa"in that verse means Isaiah?! This is nonsense.
Common brother, this is bordering on ridiculous. You are just insisting on your ways even when wrong?
Would you agree that Isaiah did not exist when Moses was alive? He came after Moses!!!
How can you say others are believing nonsense?
I do not believe you are arguing this point? Why?
People will not take you seriously if that is the case. You are creating your own "Arabic language"!!!You also say,quote
If what I provide you does not avail you then you can just disregard what I write and continue with what you are doing, it is you who elicited a response. Fortunately this is a public forum and even if you reject this there is a multitude of other people who have the chance to acknowledge the same and make their own personal evaluation.Are you saying there are people who agree with you on your "Isaiah" translation?
Well, it is up to you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Hello good logic,
I do not believe you are insisting " Yasaa"in that verse means Isaiah?! This is nonsense.
Common brother, this is bordering on ridiculous. You are just insisting on your ways even when wrong?
I doubt you read my post in its entirety. I said that words can either refer to a person or they can be standard words.
Your transliteration Yasaa is also not correct.
Would you agree that Isaiah did not exist when Moses was alive? He came after Moses!!!
Before you say something you may need to decipher the passages involving such that you criticize and bring the rendition to me. I suggest you research properly rather than just do a wholesale ripoff though.
I have not reached the point where I am translating the passages containing other occurrences of the word Isaiah, but obviously the whole context of 36 clearly has no other explanation than to refer to this ancient prophet. That too considered one of his famous utterances is in it which is that for every sin one will receive it back in its entirety, i.e. what goes around comes around.
I have also discovered that Quran is often written in a cryptic manner, probably to fool hypocrites who attempt to understand it with polluted hearts, especially a Pagan mind.
How can you say others are believing nonsense?
Because any sensible god would not prescribe nonsensical rituals or spit out its hatred because people choose not to believe in the nonsense. It is clear by my work that so is not the case either but that god is invented by some crazy clerics. In fact God teaches us to be empathetic towards those not blessed enough to see and try to help them.
I do not believe you are arguing this point? Why?
People will not take you seriously if that is the case. You are creating your own "Arabic language"!!!That is depending on the perspective and how deluded the person perceiving is. For some people I am discovering what the text really says and another crowd finds I am inventing a language. In fact the Arabic Quran has never been interpreted as intended, hardly not even a single segment of it.
First of all if people even knew the phonology of Arabic they would know that identically matches the pronunciation of Isaiah.
But it does not surprise me because they think that is pronounced Issa but it is pronounced Jesua by pronouncing the letters in formation, pretty much exactly as he is traditionally perceived to be named. That gives a hint at how little the traditional interpreters even knew about what they were committed to interpreting. And you say that I am inventing my own Arabic. Hah. I cannot do something that others have already done, but I could turn things right by wholeheartedly spend a long time unwinding the mess these people caused and then wind it all together as intended by the Author.
Are you saying there are people who agree with you on your "Isaiah" translation?
There are actually probably more people than you think who to various degrees accept what I have discovered during my research and transcendence to a place in the Rabb. Not to sound judgmental, but often people who are insightful enough to realize the traditional interpretations do not add up and search for one that does. Today I am even curious myself how I even remotely could believe those to be sensible once, but the persistent search for answers yielded fruit eventually.
Those who show interest I offer more to, but I try not to throw pearls to swine or what is holy to dogs (no offense, it is a saying), even if I usually am exceedingly generous despite a lack of interest from people around me. I have received word that everyone deserves a chance and to be empathetic and I apply the best of wisdom on that matter. However, my time may occasionally be limited so this is why I have become slightly more selective lately and also moved out of the forum part-time. Perhaps one reason I am fit for this is because I am so very persistent because people surely have done their utmost to discourage me, but if I know I am right I also hang on tight to it. Nowadays I have confidence and confirmation from the Rabb about it so there is no way anyone can do anything about that (even if I obviously can be banned from the forum), and I die only if the Rabb wills.
And now I wrote too much in vain again as usual.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
Can I ask you a question?
Brother, when you say,quote
Nowadays I have confidence and confirmation from the Rabb about it
Do you mean from the scriptures? Which one?
Thank you.
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Hello good logic,
Nowadays I have confidence and confirmation from the Rabb about it
Do you mean from the scriptures? Which one?
What I did refer to there was that I have firsthand confirmation as per contact with the Rabb. But per that contact I have also received confirmation that my project is completely valid and "on the right track". I also received confirmation that Quran is indeed lacking in interpretation and "Islam is not My religion" (in reference to the sectarian doctrine), and that I had however already proved long before I received such confirmation but yet a confidence boost to hear it.
Scripture-wise I am dealing with Quran and that is this era's scriptural information with instructions on how to fulfill its prophecy. Some information it provides has not been fulfilled previously, such as when in chapter 36 it says
About this you sadly tell them ?It was present, not secret nor manifest, / yet eluded the senses as it was of perfect availability when its clarity was disputed and (it) was revealed about its messages and model of spirituality?. Say ?This is a great revelation and what it unraveled.?
This speaks of what happens right here, right now 2015. Obviously the Author of Quran is God as no one could even remotely get to the point of writing something like this over thousand years ago. The Author also wrote this
This is what is a regard and a proper Testament (Quran) / that spreads after having been prepared and with true expressions that the deluded alluded equivocally to be shaped according to them which deed does not help that blindness so that they manage it.
Besides Quran, the answer to our existence can be found in contemplation and spiritual completion. You can also understand a lot about our existence merely by reading the utterances of Jesua/Jesus.
But Semitic root words have really helped me to vastly improve my understanding of how the World works and knowledge I did previously not know about our existence. A good explanation to it all is in fact in the very word "allah".
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
When you say,quote
What I did refer to there was that I have firsthand confirmation as per contact with the Rabb. But per that contact I have also received confirmation that my project is completely valid and "on the right track". I also received confirmation that Quran is indeed lacking in interpretation and "Islam is not My religion"
How does this confirmation happen? What sort of contact?
GOD bless you.
Peace.