Quran Alone Muslims Need To Connect With One Another
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Hello good logic,
Jesus once said "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Reflect upon that, and that I say "I AM".
Be safe
Amenuel -
hello
i just read the post in this forum and i understand the feeling of uniting it's fall and the whole world is finding reasons to group up with like minded peers and to feel that feeling of warmth and connection (holidays being burned into our heads over the years i.e. you smell cookies you want cookies). it's a nice thought but what is our bond in this forum? i'm the self-proclaimed messenger of ALLAH, their are a few jews, maybe a christian or two wanting to say something about church reforms from a thousand years ago (probably weren't any churches then) that is making them wonder why people are worshipping a man-god, and a few others who in their years of atheist searching having gained self confidence in their ability and right to believe whatever they choose to believe (i personally like these people, they remind me of prophet Abraham.)
what connects us in this forum? this is just conversation a person would have on a bus or after a convention
quran only muslims are very few, to be a quran only muslim you need to make numerous exclusions to your social group, verse stating things like if you take jews and chirstians as a friend then you are of them can no be simply taken lightly these are RULES.
another verse states if they believe as you believe then they are of your family if they do not believe then they are simply not of your family (literally abandoning these people as blood no longer)
then their are verse stating have nothing to do with the sectartians (don't even talk to them)
verses proving that ALLAH took abraham as a friend, a kid who was almost killed by his father and his town and people for his atheistic thinkings and actions (destroying their gods).
their is a reason why ALLAh says also "follow the ways of prophet Abraham the SANE in faith for he was not of the pagans (anyone who worships other than ALLAH )
so is anyone in this forum besides me truly a muslim or do you fall from the grace of islam by your simple associations?
also i would like to have a google group but will just end up taking a bunch of vainities (some one will ask about a tv show, someone else will enter the chat like "what up? foolz" and another will bring his personal timings into the chat by going afk and explaining his moms cooking to the chat.)
i don't get many replies to my post on this forum which i like i just want to throw out an idea or a truth from the quran and read replies and agree with them like many of the posters on this board do. we have pretty good closeness on this forum site any way we should expand upon this bond like king abdul-rahaman's library of spain, before a bunch of satanist torched it.
this is general discussion and we speak of more quran issue than the quran and hadith pages so this is pretty good activity and where else can you talk about the creator and share a kind of heart lifting experience? anyone know anyone even at local places of worship who like to talk about this kinds of issues?
let's just expand upon this and not make a chat the chat will make this board even more dead and plus ALLAH commands gratitude for your benefit, it's a nice idea not to insult any one but that's just asking for too much man?
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what connects us in this forum? this is just conversation a person would have on a bus or after a convention
quran only muslims are very few, to be a quran only muslim you need to make numerous exclusions to your social group, verse stating things like if you take jews and chirstians as a friend then you are of them can no be simply taken lightly these are RULES.
You make some very good points fye
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Hello good logic,
Jesus once said "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Reflect upon that, and that I say "I AM".
Be safe
Amenuelare you saying " I think, therefore i am"?
I just read your post he is in the father and the father is in him... is this in a rational sense like keeping the almighty god in mind like "i'm here because he put me here so I should remain aware"?
or are you talking as in a physical (bio-"logic"-al/chemical) thing? I never heard anyone speak clearly of their interpretation of those words
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I just read your post he is in the father and the father is in him... is this in a rational sense like keeping the almighty god in mind like "i'm here because he put me here so I should remain aware"?
You should become aware in God, fully revealing your own Spirit to yourself by removing the fog of the Body and its instinct (satan) and you will feel a different person and very enlightened. You will, for example, know things you did not previously know just like that. The relationship between God and you should be symbiotic and associated and this is what the clerics who interpreted Quran opposed so much they twisted its meaning so much that its motto "la elah ila alah" means "no god than God" rather than "to be Who Is is to be Such as Who Is" as it in truth should be read.
or are you talking as in a physical (bio-"logic"-al/chemical) thing? I never heard anyone speak clearly of their interpretation of those words
I think you have to clarify your question further. The "Father and son and the Holy Spirit" chatter from the past is on Spiritual level, because God created the Spirit of the Soul in His own image and then placed this Spirit in a Body that deludes and makes the Spirit yearn to be it if the Spirit does not restrict him-/herself. The Body and the World is a contradiction to the Spirit and it is a Testing Ground to breed fulfilled clones of God's Spirit, so to say, but the testing is harsh on the Spirit and few will likely make it in the end. Paganism is the primary stumbling block, i.e. to fall due to the hierarchical nature of the Beast to create a clear separate deity as the individual is clear-minded enough to realize there is a phenomenon that can be called God and hence delude themselves even if they have realized there is a "Higher Intelligence". They simply make themselves slaves to the deity despite that the "Higher Intelligence" seeks a symbiotic union with its "Children", i.e. that they are "Who Is as Such". God once said (I have repeated it 9525758252 times) "I am who am I" to Moses and this argument is still valid today. Easily said "You should imitate God in His Spirit and by Spiritual growth you become ascended and God will release you from the Flesh binding because you "bear fruit"".
are you saying " I think, therefore i am"?
When you can think outside the box and separated from instinct and delusion then you are (amenek) "As Such Who Is". (Amenuel means "Who has integrity as Such". The whole thing is to come alive and out of delusion.
Be safe
Amenuel -
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symbiotic like the carnage and vemon spiderman thing?nvm that why are the interpretations so different in the mainstream but yours are very... eitheir in another language or just not word for word translations more like your giving the essence of what is being communicated through words, i find the translations you give interesting but i have not journeyed yet and you've already told me the end.
like you have already looked beyond the translation to the... i guess "truer" meaning and i'm reading these things say to myself your translation may be true but i need to discover this point for myself like a dot the original translation then another dot your understanding of the verse, you don't really guide with lines just different dots.
i understand what you mean by imitate but we in islam have a verse stating establish ALLAH's handiwork according to the way he has (or something similar).
but this whole be apart of god or have god in you thing is something that's always made me laugh at christianity, yet again in islam we have a verse stating allah blow into adam some of his spirit those we think reason create and teach also we look up. not many animals look straight up or journey to their lord they just survive animal-ly.
but most my interest is in you saving me the journey by explaining a bit more easily how much ALLAH (or as you may say "almighty god" or simply "god" if you see no division) are we to have in us or be one with. i understand it's like an altered state so it my be hard to put in words so you may just have to see things a persons way for a bit. and just with some many adjective can you describe the bond not just on how it makes you feel but more of a chemical and biological idea, like you wake up feeling alive your brain releases more blah blah blah . you would be able to do this from your experience right?
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Hello,
nvm that why are the interpretations so different in the mainstream but yours are very... eitheir in another language or just not word for word translations more like your giving the essence of what is being communicated through words, i find the translations you give interesting but i have not journeyed yet and you've already told me the end.
The project's research is conducted with comprehensive documentation and I obviously work "word-by-word" too. I decipher on three levels; directly with the Arabic script, word-by-word tinkering and reformulation in pure translation. It is time-consuming and the average speed is 4 verses per 8 hours, and it is very common I have to return later and correct things. The slowness is because I do not simply take a connotation that is commonly used but I reevaluate every single word contextually.
The result is not what one may expect, i.e. somewhat following the traditionally derived context but "strangely" enough a different discourse emerges. That is not very far-fetched though, because the traditional work on deciphering the text is beyond all kind of criticism and translations cheated with to somewhat get a coherent discourse because from the beginning it is just an interpretation acrobatics invented by ancient clerics and you do not defend an authentically interpreted text but a facade. People stubbornly argue that it is without contradiction but I find contradiction here and there (e.g. praying birds, God on a throne, coming with angels at the end of days, rituals, rites) with the mainstream ways of understanding the ancient Arabic. The more distance I get to the sectarian improvisation, the more I realize how "Paganly" it is.
I could help you more, but you have to decide yourself what to follow in life. I am not teaching a religion but merely giving suggestions on how to grow spiritually. The number one point is to stop following your Body's whims and desires, learn that the Body of yours is not the real you but beneath it is a "suppressed" Spirit under delusion. "Separate the Spirit from the Flesh" and you will get going. Following religious doctrines with clear separate images of god(s) is a fallacy of the Beast and to never get a higher consciousness and know you were only a slave to a system in the delusion you affected your faith but you actually just followed instinct (satan). The second line of the ancient Decree clearly speaks against the materialization and objectification of god(s), no image, no images means no images, not even for "GOD", but you are within the image, to be a mirror of the image, symbiotically.
I am suggesting something wise.
The Rabb is a 'Higher Intelligence' you can never be above, but you can be fit in His image, assimilated, sharing His qualities. The fit ones are by integrity as "Who Such Is" (allah) in unity. God spoke to Moses "I am who am I". And Jesus said "I am in the Father and the Father in me". God is not a separate phenomenon but should express Himself in you. Absolute Oneness. You do not exist separately from Him. If you do not exist IN Him, you do not exist at all but is classified as "Al-Mowt" in Arabic which means lifeless, and you are a slave to the system as I mentioned earlier and not much different from an animal. You surely are better than that, are you not?
Paganistic sectarian clerics have given a very erroneous portrayal of God's faith. Probably not intentionally but in their own delusion. The human "ape" primitive mind has difficulties comprehending a symbiotic God who exists as "Such Who Is". We think we are so advanced, but people cannot properly grasp this concept. Thinking spiritually and abstractly is the key, not objectively, because to our brain it is impossible to be simultaneously in someone else's consciousness. But if you have a higher conscious awareness then you feel the Rabb's presence within you at the same time "as you are". Quite amazing, is it not?
i understand what you mean by imitate but we in islam have a verse stating establish ALLAH's handiwork according to the way he has (or something similar).
Yes. You should imitate God in the way He would do things. He would especially not do things with a primitive human mind's point of view. We have to reflect carefully upon what God would actually do in a similar situation.
but this whole be apart of god or have god in you thing is something that's always made me laugh at christianity, yet again in islam we have a verse stating allah blow into adam some of his spirit those we think reason create and teach also we look up. not many animals look straight up or journey to their lord they just survive animal-ly.
What is pathetic with Christianity is that Jesus would be a son of God in the Flesh like God is a kind of "man on the moon". Jesus was not the Rabb but he was IN the Rabb, symbiotic. The word symbiotic may not have existed 1500-2000 years ago, but they may have used Wahed/ahad, i.e. (in) 'unity'. His "sonhood" was spiritually, referring to his Spirit as "totally synchronous" with God and merged in assimilation. If he was born "son of God" it would imply that he was born already with his link established with the delusion men usually have being diminished.
In the Biblical Gospels, Jesus speaks of every person as a possible daughter or son of God; he often speaks about "children of the Father" and that people can be like that. He does not say he is some kind of exclusive "son of God". The then contemporary Pharisee clerics heavily opposed that because they had a mindset very similar to our Muslim friends, i.e. that no one can associate themselves with God and that led them to heavily persecute him, closely monitoring him in case they could catch him for some reason. He taught every person "to be". If people can read the Biblical Gospels for what they are, they are decent guidance actually. But Quran is more comprehensive and elaborates on what Jesus ever said, in a way that you feel they are God's authentic words.
You are right in your extract of what God did to Adam (our species - in Persian you still use Adam to refer to our race). God blew His Spirit into the Adam albeit a blank soul and placed in a harsh "Testing Environment" that is corrupting as to choose the best of what becomes of them, those Spirit "clones".
but most my interest is in you saving me the journey by explaining a bit more easily how much ALLAH (or as you may say "almighty god" or simply "god" if you see no division) are we to have in us or be one with. i understand it's like an altered state so it my be hard to put in words so you may just have to see things a persons way for a bit. and just with some many adjective can you describe the bond not just on how it makes you feel but more of a chemical and biological idea, like you wake up feeling alive your brain releases more blah blah blah . you would be able to do this from your experience right?
Despite that many people perceive my teachings as very unnecessarily complicated, they are very much simpler than doctrinal Islam, people just have problems comprehending due to the slightly esoteric nature and their prejudices. It is also unbelievable for many people how Quran could have been such as deception and they find what I have run into as having no basis. I have faith that the Quran interpretation results will speak for themselves to such extent that people will realize it is actually the original conveyance as per God.
Also the intricacy of the Lore of God is not 100% necessary to know as long as a person knows
And then tell that your Sustainer made for the Ruler a contradiction in the World by telling that this was made to be corrupting and to persistently consume you and the fit to succeed have your praiseworthiness and are as pure as you. Say that this is to learn what has not been taught?
? And teach there is for every Persistent (Adam) a ?Door? each, because they widen to inspire unto the Ruler insight flowing out of the ?Door? if you become blessed.
Indicating your success is such being aware of that which you were not aware of that you are wisely aware.
Inspire, O Persistent (Adam), giving insight to them about their ?Door? such thereof which does give them insight about their ?Door?. Inspire thereof inspiration from you about awareness of the secret of ?The Doors? and the World and learn what is not manifest and so that you are not restrained.
And it was once inspired that the Ruler accept Persistence (Adam) to accept to be confounded from his/her Father and have to grow and become deluded.
And it was inspired, O Persistence (Adam), that you reside bound to the body and everyone from its offspring spread by copulation and the kindred of such one to avert becoming evil / are cutting off its instinctive drive to clear them from not becoming it. And it was inspired to break away separating yourselves to separated pass along and those of you will have an explanation of the World and preserve his/her sanity / to experience Persistence (Adam) of Sustainer?s exertions of His/Her/Its qualities that he/she has such as the quality of absoluteness.
You asked for my translations, so here you have translations from 230 - 237. Because the ancient interpreters with the verse system were so totally lost in their understanding, they often even cut clauses in half, so I preferred to keep clear segments instead.
(you will probably notice that Quran is an instruction to hold lectures about God)
I think God's own words rather than mine tells you about "the experience" you ask me about. You will probably realize that Quran is very open-ended however, leaving it to the insightful lecturer to elaborate as according to the given model. The wise one will not follow a manuscript too much but keep the lecture very alive and pedagogical, giving explanations to whatever is necessary about the topic at hand.
or as you may say "almighty god" or simply "god" if you see no division
If I am speaking in Arabic I would refer to Rabb (Foundation-Giver literally). Allah is a conditional "Such Who Is". God is a fan of spectacular linguistic use as to fool the hypocrites. Children of Israel is another "code name", "Children of the Chief", anyone entitled by spiritual affinity can label themselves as such.
Be safe
Amenuel -
question though where you speak of contradictions
" People stubbornly argue that it is without contradiction but I find contradiction here and there (e.g. praying birds, God on a throne, coming with angels at the end of days, rituals, rites) with the mainstream ways of understanding the ancient Arabic. The more distance I get to the sectarian improvisation, the more I realize how "Paganly" it is."
do you account for things like slang and common sayings for the time?
like when pigs fly, or the bees-knees?
during those times they had the saying "when a camel can go through the eye of a needle" but, of course, there isn't a camel going through the eye of a needle but yet again these a progressive words then there is the hereafter, imagination, and dreams where these things may actually happen yet there are bounds to these sayings like even a gaint needle would have a tiny point being a needle because that's what makes it a needle yet you can't just say when a camel can pass through the point of my blade or raiper because the definition does not grantee a sharp point and i don't know if anyone have invented needle point sharpers let alone needled point covers whcih again would not be the eye.what makes you consider these things pagan? do they reference multiple gods or just strange rituals? i know it's in no way fair that i ask you for more information then your willing to give it's your work and i should probably get a few books and take a few classes and learn myself what i ask you
things like ALLAH setting his throne over the seas are just made plainly for simply people to understand a throne being a seat of power while something like a crown would be a legacy of kingship (i think the word is monarchy).
also i get what you mean by he was in the rabb (lord and cherisher, ALLAH) he was a word form ALLAH their for he came from ALLAH. i get it now. i'm also reading as i reply. but being a son or daugther of a non-human being is a bit... i think the message is being made easy for the simple minded again, that's how one could explain it to a child and also hasve you though of how these simple minded people would grow from what they were taught but jesus?
i'm not sure what you believe or how you choose to interpret but please remember the simple-minded even your reply has a few words i missed on the sat or act (american highschool examination test).
recall to verse one repeatative, surely we have made the quran easy to understand and remember so will any recieve admonition?
also there is a verse speaking of people who seek out deeper meanings in the quran, becareful not to mislead people they have their own journeys of knowledge and their own capacity.
peace and thanks for the explaination and sorry for the spiderman joke thing i get what your saying know we must be aware of these bond also jesus bond being higher than ours because he is without father also prophet adam, and there is much more to this. thank you man of faith.
name well earned.
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i've had my faith increased by this
other idea for this forum board to become more active is a site where you can connect two different forum board from two different sites. a dual web page is a future-istic ideal but maybe if we could make or find a site where people from other sites could debate in teams with 24/7 post monitors and a meter for each teams post.
2 hours to come up with a reply or argument, then a judge reviews it and allows the post then the other team replies, then like an e-bay auction it has a time limit of say 8 hours or so and the winner is announce after a review.
it sounds like it would be fun and it could be a pay to play deal to keep away people who are not serious but i don't have the skills to creat a page yet or care much to make this happened.
just an idea on how quran alone muslims can connect with each other and sorry to lead away from the original subject
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Hello fye,
do you account for things like slang and common sayings for the time?
You do not make a formal writing with slang or an overwhelming amount of colloquial language.
But there occurs language such as "turn back on heels", but I suppose anyone could understand that. The Author did not add anything which people could not understand at any time in history and future.
during those times they had the saying "when a camel can go through the eye of a needle" but, of course, there isn't a camel going through the eye of a needle
That saying can be understood if people could grasp its metaphorical meaning. Consider a wealthy man who tries to get through a narrow opening, and the opening to Heaven is so narrow only a light-weight traveler gets through but not big enough for a camel and its rider. Camels were considered expensive property in ancient times.
what makes you consider these things pagan?
The word Pagan has its etymology in "worldliness". It does not matter if it is one god or several gods. It is more about the mentality than polytheism.
also i get what you mean by he was in the rabb (lord and cherisher, ALLAH) he was a word form ALLAH their for he came from ALLAH. i get it now. i'm also reading as i reply. but being a son or daugther of a non-human being is a bit... i think the message is being made easy for the simple minded again, that's how one could explain it to a child and also hasve you though of how these simple minded people would grow from what they were taught but jesus?
They should understand the simplest things that he taught, i.e. "to be one with the Father" and become a "child of the Father". What Jesus taught is not at all complicated, and I elaborate frequently upon what he taught to make the "simple-minded" having an easier time to realize what it was that he liked to convey.
i'm not sure what you believe or how you choose to interpret but please remember the simple-minded even your reply has a few words i missed on the sat or act (american highschool examination test).
I thought how I perceive things is clear from my posts. I am sorry if I use many difficult words.
recall to verse one repeatative, surely we have made the quran easy to understand and remember so will any recieve admonition?
Quran is indeed easy to understand, if people would read it as intended by the Author. There are thorough lectures in it.
also there is a verse speaking of people who seek out deeper meanings in the quran, becareful not to mislead people they have their own journeys of knowledge and their own capacity.
Well, what I say is just what it plainly says, nothing special.
must be aware of these bond also jesus bond being higher than ours because he is without father also prophet adam
We can be like him, no reason to belittle ourselves.
Be safe
Amenuel -
You do not make a formal writing with slang or an overwhelming amount of colloquial language.
But there occurs language such as "turn back on heels", but I suppose anyone could understand that. The Author did not add anything which people could not understand at any time in history and future.
That saying can be understood if people could grasp its metaphorical meaning. Consider a wealthy man who tries to get through a narrow opening, and the opening to Heaven is so narrow only a light-weight traveler gets through but not big enough for a camel and its rider. Camels were considered expensive property in ancient times.
Peace both,
I think we need to be conscious not to mix metaphors as in the English and linguistic sense of the word with the Qur'aan's allegorical/metaphorical/esoteric verses.
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Peace both,
I think we need to be conscious not to mix metaphors as in the English and linguistic sense of the word with the Qur'aan's allegorical/metaphorical/esoteric verses.
It can be difficult to translate an Arabic phrase with a few words into English where the Arabic would have only 3 words then perhaps it could be 7 in English when including all affixes.
This is due to the innate meaning of Arabic letters where they speak descriptively already from within the letters themselves and blossom into words. It is therefore hard to make definitions in a lexicon because the words are like "Be Of Integrity (like)" for amen for example. People in all ages have had problems to translate 'amen', but that is because when you translate it into English you probably have to use more than one word. From a root point of view, amin (ن comes from min (ن which in return come from the root (miim-nun-nun).
Apart from that I do not think I fully comprehended what you liked to convey.
Be safe
Amenuel -
oh thanks for the piece by piece reply that was a bit simplier.
but once again I kinda see where your coming from again we all have prospectives, the point of the book is that whom ALLAH will's will receive guide and many doth it lead astray.
I though you were translating based on only the metaphorical sayings which is most common but you have a understand of the no fail method of understand the quran, I believe it should stay the way it's been interpreted by yusef ali, whom was the messenger sent to bring this book again to us English readers and speakers and a few others I might not know.
it's guidance by don't for get ALLAH is not about all this equality and non-sense he tries men against men, he loveth not the deaf and the dumb, those who reject the truth and turn away. Allah is not some god who sits in the sky forgive people who don't even want to be forgiven, have you read the bible just to get a sense of the god you serve? he kills all, he is not in need of any, he's made people eat feces, he's kid children and herds of animals, he's sent your great grand parents to the fires of hell and you still praise and worship him at his feet.
Fearing ALLAH is not just a saying he accomplishes his will though what ever means he sees fit, he's cursed children he's send prophet adam and eve to the earth to toil and suffer for breaking one small rule, ALLAH is not to be messed with even his messengers like Samson have been know for might even young prophet david has killed a man... a big man with a stone, then lived as a fugitive in mountians and gave birth to a son who inslaved men and jinn to work as he willed.
to put it simply ... we're all going to die. ALLAH's going to kill us and he wants the greater part of man kind to go to hell, the fires of hell may even be alive if it can ask if their are anymore to come, or burst forth with flames everytime someone new enters it.
you have good intentions but it's the way of ALLAH that tragedy befalls those who are born with deafness or who are born dumb (who else can the deaf and the dumb be?) in a sense the quran was made to be rejected and misinterpreted... it just varies from person to person. they were simply born to burn in hell, it's ALLAH's master plan for certain souls, why even try to make a fool proof understanding of the book?
I think your over interpreting and you should keep your faith in action and preaching.
that's my s
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Hello dear fye,
I though you were translating based on only the metaphorical sayings which is most common but you have a understand of the no fail method of understand the quran, I believe it should stay the way it's been interpreted by yusef ali, whom was the messenger sent to bring this book again to us English readers and speakers and a few others I might not know.
I would not agree with that, but it is up to you what to believe.
I am translating metaphorical language as it sounds in Arabic without any cross-conversion into English. It does sometimes sound very unusual for an English-speaker.
it's guidance by don't for get ALLAH is not about all this equality and non-sense he tries men against men, he loveth not the deaf and the dumb, those who reject the truth and turn away.
If he did not care for them, he would not enable certain people to relay subtle information which could hint people who open their eyes towards the proper direction. God provides for every person, even the sinner, but people care not to listen despite the fairly clear evidence provided but like to complicate things. The people who relay speak also to the sinner, suggesting that God cares for everyone or else this person would be very selective in whom they speak to.
Allah is not some god who sits in the sky forgive people who don't even want to be forgiven, have you read the bible just to get a sense of the god you serve? he kills all, he is not in need of any, he's made people eat feces, he's kid children and herds of animals, he's sent your great grand parents to the fires of hell and you still praise and worship him at his feet.
Fearing ALLAH is not just a saying he accomplishes his will though what ever means he sees fit, he's cursed children he's send prophet adam and eve to the earth to toil and suffer for breaking one small rule, ALLAH is not to be messed with even his messengers like Samson have been know for might even young prophet david has killed a man... a big man with a stone, then lived as a fugitive in mountians and gave birth to a son who inslaved men and jinn to work as he willed.
Now you have taken forth the sectarian view of God which stems from a very lousily interpreted Semitic writing. That is not your Rabb. Your Rabb does not sound like that. But if you like to stay in the fog you can remain with it despite the clear alternative you had with what I said. Your Rabb should stem from within you, should be expressed from you, then you have found yourself and thus found your Creator, the Creator of your perfect Spirit. Otherwise you are just deceived by your Bodily contradiction and its instinct.
to put it simply ... we're all going to die. ALLAH's going to kill us and he wants the greater part of man kind to go to hell, the fires of hell may even be alive if it can ask if their are anymore to come, or burst forth with flames everytime someone new enters it.
You cannot be somewhere where you already are.
you have good intentions but it's the way of ALLAH that tragedy befalls those who are born with deafness or who are born dumb (who else can the deaf and the dumb be?) in a sense the quran was made to be rejected and misinterpreted... it just varies from person to person. they were simply born to burn in hell, it's ALLAH's master plan for certain souls, why even try to make a fool proof understanding of the book?
Yes of course I have good intentions, I would like that every person stepped out of their fog that surrounds them. It is their choice to stay within it and we are not authorized to force them and it is futile to try because if a person cannot understand then it has no purpose. God has not called it easy but it is made to be corrupting and deceptive and the one who is successful reduce themselves from their extremely insistent Body.
Be safe
Amenuel -
sorry i didn't finish my posting i was just ranting on and on about just what's being preached.
and your second quoting, ALLAH has placed the rule of mercy on himself this is a verse from the quran which is why everyone is given a chance. but blah blah blah this is just going to be the freewill or everythings written arguement again and again. it's always the outline of everything how we stand up right and even the way we form sentences and such it's freewill within an outline i have an opinion about your translations but that's without me seeing your translations but guessing at your intention, that's no fair and i'm noticing my mistake.and do you really believe their is a loving and caring god who sends people to hell? out of the population of men and women in their 20's - 30's how many do you think will enter heaven and how many do you think will burn in heaven. please just give numbers even a percentage. i understand you may believe religion is based on good intention but it's just a bunch of rule that you must follow to stay within the religion like being a vegan you must avoid blah blah blah.
and read more about hell in the holy books it's a place full of places even paradise lost speaks of a number of gates and levels as does the quran which meantions the lowest place as well as seven gates. to be honest a fog around you or a sky above you makes you feel safe it's a covering people prefer to remain covered in their own fogs i realised a while ago there is a god in a world that feels like there is no god. what i mean by that is simply we are just dust and water the planets are larger than us the rotate and revovle and we breath and wake up. they too had their begins and their ends and they will be questioned as to their existence.
i can not change the way people see islam i can only stay away from sects and groups that have embraced a common understand of a book that most of them have no opened or studied as they should.
i don't want to sound angry or over determined to force my view i'm just simply stating maybe the end of things explains the present more than we care to know , we are bias living in the present right?
but your faith has increased mine so i have no complaint.
ALLAH always knows best, ALLAH knows what he intends for men on earth.peace peace
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Thanks for your words, fye. I just realized that we are off-topic on here and I do not know how we got into this discussion -)
Good that your faith has been increased.
Be safe
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oh yeah back on topic is anyone advertising the site?
it's hard to find group unless it's at the top bar in a search engine, it's populated and active the high the result.
even the website is a ".org" while ".com"s are the more popular addresses.
i haven't thought of a place to advertise the site and maybe on other forum boards but i'm not really interested in doing this.
how active is this site anyway? does everyone online even post once a day?
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The Koran says that we should get together. My reading of the verse is that the meetings should be in person.
Peace.