What Would Happen If The Quran Or the Hadith books Were To Suddenly Disappear?
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If the Quran was to suddenly disappear overnight, the religion of Islam would still exist. Muslims would still pray 5 times a day, read the durood, pay 2.5% zaka, cover their hair, grow a beard, wear thobe, skull cap, wear burqa, eat "halal food", celebrate Eid, fast on Ashura(code name for Yom Kippor), circumcision, use their right hand to eat, prohibit alcohol, vinegar, nail polish, plucking eyebrows, use left foot to enter toilet, peform hajj in the first ten days of Dhul Hijjah, stone the devil, kiss the black stone to get sins forgiven, tax "infidels", sharia law, stone to death for adulteres, murder apostates and homosexuals and the list goes on and on.
Now, If the hadith books were to suddenly disappear, there would be no religion called Islam because islam in the Quran isn't even a religion. The path to God(deen) isn't a religion. God does not follow a religion. God is not a sectarian leader. God is the lord of the worlds. The Lord of all creation. Submitting to your creator is islam, a state of mind. the idea that islam is a religion and that Muhammad was the founder and he himself used to praise himself using the durood and greet angels as he finished his salah is a lie. Muhammad did not come with his own laws(sunna of Muhammad as Muslims claim). Muhammad was a monotheist,one who submitted to the Lord of all creation. He followed the Quran and preached it. Muhammad will not intercede for you and save you from hell.
The religion of Islam is a scam. A lie. A sect. Muslims have set up partners with God. They uphold their man-made stupid laws(hadiths) above Gods laws(Quran). They ascribe lies to the messenger of God claiming the prophet said this and that. They have lied against God. They have hijacked the Quran and claim to follow it while in fact following their own man-made books. They have hindered honest people from the path of God.Many sincere people who saw the divinity and wisdom of the Quran have been sucked into this sect. Have you noticed that these sectarians only use the Quran as bait to lure people into their religion? They never bring up hadith books when making "dawah". It is only once they've got the convert in, the Quran is thrown away and hadith books are used for brainwashing.
It is time we reclaim the Quran from these hypocrites. Muslims are cursed. It is why almost every single Muslim country is a craphole. ISIS is the physical manifestation of hadith books. Every single man-made law from Bukhari & company they uphold and ascribe to God is met with hostily by non-members of the religion of Islam.
Everything they do can be found in hadith books. A peaceful religion is an oxymoron. Religion only hijacks revelation, causes hatred, division and bloodshed. Let's look back and see if this is the first religion has done such.
Does history repeat itself?The Jews, hundreds of years after Moses's death created Mishnah (hadith, sayings) and Gemarrah (sunna, Actions) and upheld them and the invented laws in them rather than the TORAH (revealed word of God).
In the city of Nicene 300 years after the death of Jesus, the concept of Trinity was created, and is now the primary source of a Christian's belief in defiance of the Bible which advocates the absolute worship of God Alone.
The Muslims 150- 200 years after the death of Muhammed created another source of their religion with the Quran, "Hadith and Sunnah", falsely attributed to the prophet Muhammed, and in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of Hadith and Sunnah.
The same thing is happening today. This is the true nature of organised religion(sectarianism), to hijack the word of God, invent their own books with it and cover the truth up.
Taro Hiroshi posted an excellent comparison between religion and deen. I need his permission to post it here though.
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The Pagan religion of Islam did exist prior to the release of Quran, so nothing would be changed. The Judaic clergy's invention was a success for the Pagan crowd as undercover it was Persian clerics who shaped the early Islam. What they practice in Islam was already in place prior to its invention except tons of additional conjecture obviously.
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Peace Invalid777,
You have my permission to post the article/text in your thread on FM. But the article/text (PDF) has been removed from the file sharing website. Hence it is no longer possible to read it or download it from that website. So if you want to post the article/text on FM, you would have to create a blog (e.g. a wordpress blog) and share it on your blog. It is very easy to create a blog, in my opinion. There are a lot of good guides on "how to create a blog" on the internet, by the way. Or you can create a website and share the article/text there. But creating a website, takes a lot of time and is not easy, in my opinion. Or you can post the article/text on a file sharing website.
By the way, the information in the text/article was based on a work that was originally written by Ghulam Ahmad Parwez (a muslim scholar). And later, someone borrowed the information from his work, and compiled it into an article/text.
Much respect,
Taro.
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Peace Invalid777,
You have my permission to post the article/text in your thread on FM. But the article/text (PDF) has been removed from the file sharing website. Hence it is no longer possible to read it or download it from that website. So if you want to post the article/text on FM, you would have to create a blog (e.g. a wordpress blog) and share it on your blog. It is very easy to create a blog, in my opinion. There are a lot of good guides on "how to create a blog" on the internet, by the way. Or you can create a website and share the article/text there. But creating a website, takes a lot of time and is not easy, in my opinion. Or you can post the article/text on a file sharing website.
By the way, the information in the text/article was based on a work that was originally written by Ghulam Ahmad Parwez (a muslim scholar). And later, someone borrowed the information from his work, and compiled it into an article/text.
Much respect,
Taro.
Salam Taro
The pdf is here https//app.box.com/s/sw2d5ooai6agn6qo3nzhdneznfrf3s80 for anyone who's interested in reading it.
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The Pagan religion of Islam did exist prior to the release of Quran, so nothing would be changed. The Judaic clergy's invention was a success for the Pagan crowd as undercover it was Persian clerics who shaped the early Islam. What they practice in Islam was already in place prior to its invention except tons of additional conjecture obviously.
Be safe
AmenuelWhat were these pagans claiming to follow at that time before they hijacked the Quran? Weren't they trinitarian Christians? What were they calling themselves?
The label "Muslim" is obviously a lie. They are actually Hadith & Sunnah Muhammadans. So the pagans at that time also gave themselves a false label to hide their true nature like they do today. -
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What were these pagans claiming to follow at that time before they hijacked the Quran?
They were Jewish Persian clerics who were fed up with their own as they considered it derailed Judaism and the threat of Christianity and with the early Christian movement that associated themselves with God which is a blasphemy according to them. They had the typical sectarian mindset and God is a distinctly separate object which is to be worshiped using traditional means, i.e. typical Pagan obeisance and you are fine as long as you follow religious rules and uphold prayer. But you can never never never associate yourself with God, that is a blasphemy according to them, and this is shared today by a majority of Muslims as well.
No matter if Muslims like to admit it or not, they follow Judaic religious tradition more or less which is a distortion of what the prophets of old taught.
You can say that these Pagans were the Pharisees of the Biblical Gospels. The inflexibility in living is mirrored in the adherence to a lot of vain rites and rituals within the home and outside of the home. If you are pious you are supposed to concentrate yourself more on keeping the tradition than to actually reflect upon what it is you are actually doing, and what kind of god it is you serve in the first place. I find that a god in military uniform yelling out orders like drill sergeant is not my cup of tea and with an ego bigger than a mountain and who feels so jealous over losing attention that it bursts into total rage with threats of eternal Hellfire. That is not God, our Father, the Father of our Spirit within our Soul. That is the god of very Paganistic people who seek their god in human terms.
From reading the sectarian interpretation of Quran it is obvious what they considered is a blasphemy against God because God does not share their opinion, if you can read what God REALLY says in a proper interpretation, and welcomes association with Him. The test here on Earth is to show that you qualify to be a controller/maleikateh (angel) and then you have to be a mirror of God. Islam is a heavy onslaught against the Messianic message of becoming God's children which these clerics considered a great blasphemy and is shared by the majority of Muslims today 2015. That is the reason why Jesus was executed too.
Weren't they trinitarian Christians?
No, the hijackers were Jewish outcast clerics who sought to do "God" a great service by carrying out "His" will, to in their delusion conquer a lot of lost religious ground. The "real believers" got squeezed in between two fronts which were the trinitarian Christians and the deluded Muhammadans (Muslims) who got rich looting the old Persian empire and the northern part of Arabia, around today's Iraq and west towards Jordan. These places were filled with material coming from the Roman occupation of the Middle-East, so obviously the Arab conquerors became wealthy and with good technological advancements, they simply seized control over ground previous held by the Romans in the Middle-East, on Arabian soil.
The Middle-East was quite divided during this time so many supporters of the strict monotheism (which was much like ISIS) of Islam obviously turned to their side while the rest either paid tribute or were driven away.
The original early Christians, and followers of John the Baptist (Yahya), are usually called Gnostics today and these are who got squeezed in between Muslims marauders fueled by deluded Persian sectarian clerics and the sectarian trinitarian "Christian" clerics of Rome whose Jesus had turned into an exclusive son of God and the (real) Christians who opposed the sectarian doctrine of Christianity were persecuted on two fronts and massacred in a multitude; they simply had no shelter in either camp. The way ancient Gnostics thought about God was deemed as heresy by the Roman clergy and they were often forced to convert, even if they still followed Jesus but as according to how he had REALLY taught.
In the end, none of the sects Christianity or Islam, aka Judaism in disguise, are correct but it was the ancient Gnostics who possessed the proper lore about God. Unfortunately there flows a lot of disinformation about Gnosticism too, i.e. what it is not. It is wise to read up on information about them and without preconception filter that there may be faulty data collected too. Having a piece of insight into what they stand for, you can read the Biblical Gospels and see Jesus actually taught that everyone following his beacon-like appearance would be "Children of the Father" and that he in no way was unique other than that he was born with the "established spiritual link" ("sonhood" already connected but everyone who lives in a similar way can be just the same.
Obviously there is no group called Gnostics either but they had no sectarian label ascribed to themselves. It is just like me, I do not call myself Muslim and I do not call myself Christian. I fill the definition of jew (yahood = "who have recognized" or muslim ("is Of Soundness". I could call myself among the Children of Israel (Children of the Chief). I try not to identify myself by label, that is a human instinct (satan). BUT, "I AM" "WHO IS" (allah). If I want to be sarcastic towards someone I can just say "I AM" about someone who asks for my religious belonging.
The label "Muslim" is obviously a lie.
Muslim is not meant to be a noun/proper noun but it is a description, an adjective, you only meet the criteria for if you are like that. Al-Muslimoon can only be a person who "IS SUCH" given the grammatical AL prefix.
They are actually Hadith & Sunnah Muhammadans. So the pagans at that time also gave themselves a false label to hide their true nature like they do today.
Yes it is very tragic.
Be safe
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salaam
well just considering the content in both books, the quran is a book of facts, and the hadith (should be) a book of observations of those facts manifesting themselves the messengers message they could have just made prophet muhammed's life into a reality tv show so you can see these hadiths come about like living with 12 disiciples (lol black jesus show) where each ep he is in different situations at a masjid in one ep, at a church/temple in another, or hanging out doing things you may have questions about like it'll be sunday and he will be hangin' around the mansion or where ever and avoiding working (doing dishes, modern things) to honor the Sabbath? did he honor the Sabbath? see that's why the hadith exist but it the hadith was a tv show i'm sure it would be better than a book written trying to explain the same things a camera could.
as to pagan religion of islam I think you need more than one god to be a pagan, those people might just be rejectors of faith they don't want to believe as the quran instructs them to believe.
and the quran being a book of facts has existed long before being printed like history happens everyday then it's written and recorded this things will come around again someone will feel the urge to collect facts into a book with advice to right and wrong, and hopefully the hadith will be a show about a living prophet/messenger both spreading the word of ALLAH and observing it come into forefillment
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as to pagan religion of islam I think you need more than one god to be a pagan, those people might just be rejectors of faith they don't want to believe as the quran instructs them to believe.
That is a misconception of the meaning of Pagan. Pagan means that you have a materialized/objectified deity and you can have just one deity in your religion. What is characteristic for Paganism is that the god needs to be appeased through specific rituals and rites done at fixed times. And the god is distinctly separate from its followers rather than symbiotic and it usually holds very worldly ways of beholding lifestyle (as if a human cleric has invented the god). The traditional religion of Islam is a kind of Paganism even if it is monotheism. It is a monotheistic Paganism where Allah is the god and anyone not serving that exclusive deity has its wrath upon them.
And I do not mean what I write as an offense to those who hold these views but only as an attempt at enlightenment and as an eye-opener at what they are doing, perchance they contemplate themselves. The intention is not to make people atheist and I am not an atheist myself but theistic although mine is pantheistic in ways albeit in much more complicated ways than the mainstream pantheisms and I affirm that the Rabb is One; it is only that I am supposed to mirror my Master to be complete in unity. It is thus monotheism but more advanced than the perception that suffers from Paganism.
and the quran being a book of facts has existed long before being printed like history happens everyday then it's written and recorded this things will come around again someone will feel the urge to collect facts into a book with advice to right and wrong, and hopefully the hadith will be a show about a living prophet/messenger both spreading the word of ALLAH and observing it come into forefillment
Quran's script first started showing up during the 4th and 5th centuries AD. My estimation is that the first Quran manuscript was written between 300-600 AD. I am doubtful it was a verbal recital from the beginning but it become that with the clerical obsession in the 7th century AD. I consider Quran written in the "new" Arabic script that was developed back then and suited for that one by scripting language.
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...They have hijacked the Quran and claim to follow it while in fact following their own man-made books. They have hindered honest people from the path of God. Many sincere people who saw the divinity and wisdom of the Quran have been sucked into this sect. Have you noticed that these sectarians only use the Quran as bait to lure people into their religion? They never bring up hadith books when making "dawah". It is only once they've got the convert in, the Quran is thrown away and hadith books are used for brainwashing...
This is so true! I see this happening all around me. First they use the miracles of the Qur'an to convert people, and once people have converted they tell them they HAVE to follow Hadith and scholars and we can never understand the Qur'an on our own. I advised two people I know (who were also influenced by traditionalists) to read the 'Manifesto for Islamic Reform' by Edip Y?ksel and now they are also Monotheist muslims and have left all the superstitions and hadith behind.
We really need to make more people aware of the Qur'an alone movement.
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This is so true! I see this happening all around me. First they use the miracles of the Qur'an to convert people, and once people have converted they tell them they HAVE to follow Hadith and scholars and we can never understand the Qur'an on our own. I advised two people I know (who were also influenced by traditionalists) to read the 'Manifesto for Islamic Reform' by Edip Y?ksel and now they are also Monotheist muslims and have left all the superstitions and hadith behind.
We really need to make more people aware of the Qur'an alone movement.
I was raised a sunni and taught by my parents that I should never make my own conclusions of the Quran and should always seek a scholar's interpretation of it. I was taught to believe that the Quran cannot be understood without hadith books. The master-mind and superhuman Bukhari clarified the Quran with his flawless books of hadiths. For over 200 years after the prophet's death, people were lost and did not follow true islam until Bukhari & Company came about and saved the world.Something GOD and GOD's messenger failed to do.
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The Black Stone is the eastern corner stone of the Kabah, the large black cube that lies in the center of Mecca.
https//s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0b/a1/a2/0ba1a20f2532e34976a9b13ef544855d.jpgMuslims believe that a brilliant white stone fell from heaven during the time of Adam and Eve. Over time, this stone turned black because of the sins which it absorbed. It is believed that Abraham found this rock and the Angel Gabriel brought it to him while he was building the Kabah.
To this day, the Black Stone is an object of reverence to Muslims. They turn east to face this Stone when they pray five times a day. During the pilgrimage to Mecca, they circle the Kabah and attempt to kiss the Black Stone as Muhammad once did(according to Bukhari and Co). If they can?t get near to kiss it, Muslims point towards it.
The Black Stone is believed to absorb sins; the Muslims pray towards it, and they attempt to kiss it during pilgrimage. This sounds like worship to me.
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http//asianjournal.com/lifestyle/files/2013/10/hajj2.jpgDo Muslims worship the stone which has the ability to remove sins? Is the black stone mentioned in the Quran? Is the cube they face and worship 5 times a day mentioned in the Quran, let alone the five daily rituals? None of this is mentioned in the very Quran they claim to follow. There can only be two possibilities. Either the Quran is incomplete and Bukhari & Company had to fill the gaps Allah left in the Quran or Muslims are just a bunch pagans who worship Iblis(their instinct drive) and have hijacked the Quran. They go up in arms when you criticize their hadith collections and continue to argue that without the hadith, they wouldn't be able to perform any of the rituals in Islam. This exposes their true intent. They don't want Allah's guidance but in the same time claim that they follow it (Quran). This is what blinds them from the truth and continues the cycle of the herderd sheep they are, doing what they found their parents to be doing
When they are told, "Follow what Allah has revealed herein," they say, "We follow only what we found our parents doing." Even though their parents had no sense,nor were they guided?
"They are like cattle,- nay more misguided for they are heedless."
They chose this instead of Allah's guidance.
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https//i1.wp.com/nimg.sulekha.com/others/original700/mideast-saudi-hajj-2009-11-28-16-41-2.jpgFor such an important and "holy" place like Makkah, Makkah is not even mentioned in the Quran even once. They use mental gymnastics for Bakka and false interpretations to face a cube when performing salat.
Their call for salat(adhaan) includes Muhammads name in it. Muhammad and many other dead people are also recited in their durood(also not found in the Quran) in their five daily rituals.
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Invisible beings are also greeted to end the ritual by turning their heads right and left and saying "asalamu alaikum warahmatuallah".Muslims are nothing but pagans, devil worshipers, Bukharians, neo-Jews and hijackers.. following their pagan worship is all it is. Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.
(1066) "Absolutely, to GOD belongs everyone in the heavens and everyone on earth. Those who set up idols beside GOD are really following nothing. They do not follow (anything) but conjectures, and they only lie."
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(6116)"And if you obey most of those in the earth, they will lead you astray from GOD's way; they follow but conjecture and they only lie." -
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http//nativepakistan.com/wp-content/uploads/Photos-of-Mecca-Holy-Kaabas-cover-ghilaf-e-Kaaba-Kiswah-is-being-changed-Pictures-of-Makkah.jpg"O you who believe, protect yourselves and your families from the Hellfire whose fuel is people and rocks. Guarding it are stern and powerful angels who never disobey GOD; they do whatever they are commanded to do."
"But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the kafireen."
Really sad. Worshipping a black stone to kiss and get your sins "forgiven" and a stone cube.
Notice any similarities?
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http//asianjournal.com/lifestyle/files/2013/10/hajj2.jpgJews and neo-Jews. Same crap, different smell. Islam just happens to smell a bit newer. Both these religions came about through hadith books and the hijacking of revelation(Tora and Quran).
The Jews, hundreds of years after Moses's death created Mishnah (hadith, sayings) and Gemarrah (sunna, Actions) and upheld them and the invented laws in them rather than the TORAH (revealed word of God).
In the city of Nicene 300 years after the death of Jesus, the concept of Trinity was created, and is now the primary source of a Christian's belief in defiance of the Bible which advocates the absolute worship of God Alone.
The Muslims 150- 200 years after the death of Muhammed created another source of their religion with the Quran, "Hadith and Sunnah", falsely attributed to the prophet Muhammed, and in defiance of the Quran. Today most Muslims have discarded the Quran in favor of Hadith and Sunnah.
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The Reading(Quran) does not say where Abraham was born or where he lived. But it does say that the Torah and the Injeel were not revealed until long after him. At the same time the Reading confirms that the Arab race had never received any messenger or prophet before Muhammad. Thus, simple logic dictates that Abraham did not go to Mecca with Ishmael. With this simple realisation, the whole illusion the religionists would have us believe turns to dust.
The religionists contend that Abraham was travelling on Arab soil with his wife and son, Ishmael. They say he abandoned the wife and baby in the middle of the desert and went away ? a poor testament to the imam of the people appointed by God.The story goes on to say that while Abraham?s son was crying, his mother left him in the desert and started running left and right between the tops of the two hills. As the baby was kicking his legs on the ground, suddenly a gush of water sprung from the ground.
The religionists have named this place the Safa and Marwah ? actually rock outcropping deities found within the precincts of the temple. The Muslims around the world are not aware of the Arab love of worshipping rocks.
http//i.imgur.com/Jfjedla.jpg?1Today, the religionists make the Muslims worship the two rock outcroppings by making it mandatory to traverse between them seven times when paying homage to the stone cube idol. They call such rites as the sa?ei ? another religious rite of the ancient pagan Arabs. Again, it is important to note that this peculiar word is not found anywhere in the Reading.
https//aswjmedia.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/safa_and_marwa_mecca-32.jpgThey also claim that the water that gushed from the ground was sacred and have called it zam-zam water. The Reading neglects to tell us any of this. Today we see a systematic flow of reverse osmosis water drawn by a water pump installed beneath the stone house, which draws its water from the city to supply the mosque.
The religionists continue their deception with another tale. Abraham is said to have built God?s house at the spot where the spring water was gushing. They corrupted verses 2125 and 2226 to strengthen the fairy tale. The life and death of the Arab religion depends on a contorted reading of 2125. Even if the truth is not exposed now, sooner or later people will know. God?s system is never changeable and the truth will always prevail.
If we read both verses we discover"And We instructed Abraham and Ishmael to cleanse My system for throngs of people, and for those who are devoted and those who humble themselves consentingly. "(2125)
"And when we appointed for Abraham a place in the system that You shall not associate anything with Me, and cleanse My System for the groups of people, and those who uphold, and those who humble themselves consentingly." (2226)
Although many other words were corrupted in 2125, I am highlighting only three words from this verse to show the repetition in 2226. In the next two chapters I will demonstrate the fact that the religionists changed the meaning of these words from those they are meant to have. I will do this by comparing them with the usage of the same words in other verses. Let?s get some basics down first. According to the Arab religion
The word bayti-ya in the two verses signifies God?s house. In other words, the 627 square foot stone house in Mecca belongs to God and is a place where He lives.
The word lit-tho-iffin in the two verses means those who walk around it. In other words the faithful walk around it (the cube) anti-clockwise.
The word war-roka?is-sujud in the two verses means those who bow down and prostrate. As in point two, the faithful are required to add this to their liturgy if they are to be counted among God?s people.There are no verses that corroborate these assertions. The distortions have created a great impact on the lives of billions of people around the world. I hope the Muslims will come to their senses and see the seriousness of the conspiracy and the price they have had to pay for being ignorant of God?s Scripture and for following the religionists blindly. Perhaps they will ponder on what the Reading says about the blindness of the hearts
"It is not the eyes that go blind, but it is the heart inside the chest that goes blind." (2246)
"O you who believe, protect yourselves and your families from the Hellfire whose fuel is people and rocks. Guarding it are stern and powerful angels who never disobey GOD; they do whatever they are commanded to do."
"But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the kafireen."
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Peace
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Salam All
I think, if the Quran literally disappears suddenly there will be a global panic and all hell will break loose. Some people will retreat to their homes, some will go on to the streets killing others, some will be dumbfounded. The sudden disappearance of the Quran will mark the event and the Quran as 'the truth' or be a sign to everyone that the Quran came from a higher being. Even those who dont believe in God suddenly becomes doubtful of their stand. But its too late. Because mercy from the maker has been taken away. And the End is about to come.
Now back to the present has not the Quran been lost? How many can honestly say that they follow Quran alone out of global population? There are billions who are labeled muslims but how many are true followers of the Quran? No one knows and it appears to me to be very few, the Quran has written that the people of the rasul has abandoned the Quran.
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Honestly speaking Invalid777, if majority of the people began believing in Quran alone like us, this deen would end up being another cult like religion.
There are people among us who wish to dominate through their personal fundamentalism. In other words, they wish to decide how a Quran follower should talk and behave. Of course, there is nothing wrong with this. But when it is not Quranic things become complex. In that situation, the Quranist mullahs push for censorship on things they personally find uncomfortable. Couple of days ago, I watched a video of a Quran followers who was going on saying that calling Allah great is shirk because it equals to giving him a shape.Then there are also those who do not want to touch the Quran. They wait for someone else to feed them all the explanations. I would call it a follower syndrome. This is how cults come into existence.
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I am afraid this life is this life and imperfection and doubt are attributes of it. It will always be so, because that is what it has been made by the Divine, it is a condition of it, the place or tie of struggle, just like birth is struggle. Perfection will be, God willing, somewhere or some time else. But we must struggle loyally, bcausewhat we buildhere with our deeds will be our abode next life. Those who struggle for justice, will find justice, those who are comassionate will find compassion, etc., etc.
Salaam
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Honestly speaking Invalid777, if majority of the people began believing in Quran alone like us, this deen would end up being another cult like religion.
There are people among us who wish to dominate through their personal fundamentalism.In other words, they wish to decide how a Quran follower should talk and behave. Of course, there is nothing wrong with this. But when it is not Quranic things become complex. In that situation, the Quranist mullahs push for censorship on things they personally find uncomfortable. Couple of days ago, I watched a video of a Quran followers who was going on saying that calling Allah great is shirk because it equals to giving him a shape.
Then there are also those who do not want to touch the Quran. They wait for someone else to feed them all the explanations. I would call it a follower syndrome. This is how cults come into existence.
Religion is the opposite of what The Reading(Quran) conveys. Religion, especially Islam is stubborn to the fact that "Allah guides whom he wills". They have misunderstood the whole concept of guidance. Wearing a religious costume, growing your beard, covering your hair, eating "halal"/kosher food, worshipping a stone cube 5 times a day, sing the Quran, kiss a black stone to get sins wiped and starving yourself 30 days a year grants you entry to paradise is simply wishful thinking.
You can't guide yourself or another human. Islam, Christianity, Judaism and all religions seek to passing your beliefs to your children so they become "good practising ". You cannot "convert" someone to the right path as these religions do. You cannot make someone become self-aware. This is what religion fails to understand. The Gods of religion is an illusion. It is an imaginary God, their ego. That's what they're enslaved to and worship.
They are unaware of themselves, this is what causes them to deny the existence of their Creator, believe the Creator died for their sins as a creation(a human) or believe the Creator couldn't do a basic job and needed the help of Bukhari & Co.You sign your own death sentence by following religion. Religion provides you with a label(Muslim, Jew, Christian) to make you think you are a "believer". Religion makes you feel special(feeds your ego) and gives you the illusion of righteousness. With religion, critical thinking goes out the window. Their senses do not function. You are kept in a herd of sheep. You cannot ask too many questions. Asking too many questions is considered a "sign of weak iman" and the "whispers of Satan". It is control through fear.You cannot challenge religious scholars. The sheikhs, imams and muftis have the final say. They make fatwas and decide what is halal and what is haram.
Their interpretation of the Quran is the only one that matters. You are taught to never make your own mind of what you think Quran conveys. You are brainwashed to believe that Quran is TOO complex to be understood. You must follow the man with the costume and long beard. He is the only one who can understand it and guide you.Labeling yourself is dangerous. You have put a full stop to criticizing yourself. You have formed biased and false image what you think you are.
For example, labeling yourself a believer, monotheist, Muslim, Jew Christian etc will inevitably prevent you from seeing your shirk and other mistakes. You will not be able to see the real you but rather a false you. Try convincing a Muslim that they are pagans. Their heads will go red and scream at you "I'M A MUSLIM!!! I DON'T WORSHIP THIS STONE CUBE AND BLACK STONE, I JUST FACE IT!!!" "WHY WOULD ALLAH MISLEAD 1.6 BILLION MUSLIMS???" At the end of the day, "Muslim" is just a label. The All-knowing Intelligence does not care what you label yourself. The All-knowing intelligence who created your soul can see the real you. You fool nobody but yourself.
"They seek to deceive Allah and those who believe and they deceive only themselves and they perceive not."(29)Asking questions, criticizing and scrutinizing yourself is healthy. Falsehood cannot withstand questions. Liars and corrupter seek to kill anyone who threatens them with questions. It's why tyrants kill anyone who dares question them. It's why apostates and blasphemers are to be killed in Islamic Sharia law. When you criticize religion, there is bloodshed. Again, control through fear.
Never label yourself, rather scrutinize yourself. By doing so, you will see the real you and admit your mistakes and work on improving yourself. You become self-aware. You are able to distinguish truth from falsehood and receive guidance(knowledge) from The Source of Knowledge. In this way, we can avoid creating another religion and continue to receive guidance(knowledge) from the Creator. The Creator does not guide the arrogant. Arrogant people give themselves a label hence providing a false image of who they think they are. They are not self-aware. Lost souls. I believe this is the way of avoiding the creation of another cult(religion), something we all need to work on. We should consult The Source of Knowledge, the one who created our souls and brought us into existence. The only guider and helper.
Peace.
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Today's Mecca
Today's Mecca - Arabia, seems to have been an insignificant town at the time of the prophet. This city was not on any significant trade-route at the time nor does its name even have mention in any historical manuscripts which covered the area.
Mecca appears to have been a pagan center where the religion of the Nabataens (worship of Allat, Uzzah, and Manaat) flourished like other Nabataen towns. The Kaba (cube) which was used as the center of pagan rituals, is an emulation of the Kaba of Abraham which the Nabataens may have certainly come to know through the call of Abraham to the pilgrimage many centuries ago.
Points that are worth reflecting when studying the subject of Mecca - Arabia include
- The mosque in Medina with 2 qiblas did not correctly point to Mecca - Arabia.
The physical evidence which shows that the turning of the qibla away from Jerusalem was simply in the ?opposite? direction and not towards Mecca has been conveniently destroyed by the Saudis and a new mosque has been rebuilt with two qiblas, but with the second
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The Mosque in Medina with the two focal points (Qiblas) seen above has been re-built by the Saudi Royal Family during the last 30 or so years.- A number of mosques built in the early days after the prophet?s death have their qiblas aligned away from Mecca and further north, closer to Jerusalem.
"According to archaeological research carried out by Creswell and Fehervari on ancient mosques in the Middle East, two floor-plans from two Umayyad mosques in Iraq, one built at the beginning of the 8th century by the governor Hajjaj in Wasit (noted by Creswell as, "the oldest mosque in Islam of which remains have come down to us" - Creswell 198941), and the other attributed to roughly the same period near Baghdad, have Qiblas (the direction which these mosques are facing) which do not face Mecca, but are oriented too far north (Creswell 1969137ff & 198940; Fehervari 196189; Crone-Cook 197723,173). The Wasit mosque is off by 33 degrees, and the Baghdad mosque is off by 30 degrees (Creswell 1969137ff; Fehervari 196189)."
- The location of the Kaaba in Mecca at the floor of a valley (where it is prone to flash floods) is more in-line with pagan rites than those of offering people sanctuary and safety at God?s Temple.
?The Ka?bah is situated in a wadi between two low hills, Marwah and Safa and was thus frequently exposed to flash floods caused by upper Meccan rainwater which ran down into the wadi and was channeled towards the Ka?bah. It is on the face of it, strange to find a religious center built in such a dangerous position, but it is precisely in such a position ? low on the slopes of a wadi subject to flash floods ? that cult centers were situated in the Negev.? (The Origins of the Muslim Descriptions of the Jahili Meccan Sanctuary; Yehuda D. Nevo, Judith Koren, Jan. 1990)
- The rituals associated with Mecca until today are all indicative of the pagan rites known and recorded for the region at the time.
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Pagan elements associated with the Kaba in Mecca.
?The precise alignment of the Black Stone with the winter sunrise is not coincidental. Allat, the main idol of the prophet's people, was a fertility goddess and this is confirmed by archeological evidence from Nabataean sites. As typical of such fertility goddesses their symbols and rituals are related to the sun. In this case, the direction of the winter sunrise marks the location where the sun is "reborn". Now if you take a closer look, you will see that the enclosure of the Black Stone is in the shape of a dilated female vulva and the Black Stone is in the shape of the crown of the head of the newborn baby deity as it is coming out of the vulva.
Come closer yet and you will see that people are kissing the head of the newborn baby deity. Kissing the head is an ancient Arab tradition for asking for forgiveness. So kissing the top of the head of the newborn idol as traditionally done to ask for forgiveness, results in the pagan's sins being wiped out as if he or she was a newborn.
Hang around for a while and you will observe that people spin seven times around the Black Stone. A pre-quranic manuscript written by Epiphanius in the fourth century CE describes the ritual of spinning seven times as part of the birth festivals of the Nabataean idols Allat and Dhushara around the winter solstice. The number seven was considered sacred in Arab and pagan symbolism in general because of the five sacred planets plus the sun and the moon that the ancients venerated. To this day many people in the Arab world celebrate what is termed in Arabic Subu', which is a traditional festival that takes place on the seventh day after the birth of a newborn and on the seventh day after a pilgrims' return. Like the pagan pilgrimage that we observed and Epiphanius described, as part of the Subu' birth celebrations, people traditionally go around the house seven times while carrying the newborn baby.
What about the Safa & Marwa and other sites at Mecca?
?The Safa and Marwa are amongst God?s symbols. So whosoever makes Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, or is merely passing through, commits no error that he should traverse them. And whoever donates for goodness, then God is Appreciative, Knowledgeable.? (Qur'an 215
The entire story of ?Abraham marrying his slave girl Hajar and then leaving her in the wilderness with Ismail based on the wishes of his wife Sarah? not only has no basis whatsoever in the Book of God, but also conflict greatly with the character of a Prophet who is devoted to God and who would never be pressured by any human into abandoning or harming another person(s). As far as we can ascertain, Abraham was married to one woman, the same woman who gave him Ismail and then, many years later, Isaac. We can also ascertain that Abraham lived near the area of the Temple (Jerusalem) and therefore would not have traveled many thousands of kilometers to carry out such an act of inhumanity.
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The three pillars inside the cube idol in Mecca represent the three gods Al-lat , Al-Uzzah and Manaat worshipped by the Arabs. what is strange about those three pillars is they are not placed an equal distance from one another. They are not there to "strengthen the structure of the kaabah" as Muslims claim.
The Reading(Quran) mentioned Al-lat , Al-Uzzah and Manaat, the three female deities of pagans. Coincidence you say? There is no such thing as coincidence.