A Challenge to All Believers of Quran
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Thank you imrankhawaja, yeah a little common sense sometimes is all you need.
Likewise you don't need to be an English professor to understand English.God bless you
jazakAllah my brother , I hope Allah increase our knowledge regarding the book which revealed 1400 years ago with balanced to modern science,as well as every aspect of life whatever a human neeed to spend his/her life,, peace to all of you my bro and sisters
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Peace all, when a mind is invested in a lie they cannot grasp the truth, so they find the truth confusing, I can explain the reason why the translation is as it is.
"Indeed, Allah is not one of the one deity"
Allah should also be translated in this sentence to make it clear.There is no deity."
Therefore there is no god, no divine character, nothing to be personified, or anthropomorphized as a supreme ?being?, being a distinct entity.
So no entity, which is something having real or distinct existence, a thing considered as independent of other things, a separation distinct and independent from other things, this cannot exist, there can be nothing claimed a deity.
"There is only Allah." or "Only Allah."
Allah is a single consciousness as the absolute totality of what may exist, so the One consciousness cannot be independent of anything, all is the thought of the single consciousness; we ourselves are a fractal copy within that consciousness, forming the evolving nature of the matrix of consciousness itself.
A single Consciousness is an ?entirety? of all that is or may be; therefore it is absolutely impossible for an entity deity to exist.
An entity must be something other; but you cannot have something other with the entirety of everything.
?All religions are made up then??
Religions do not come into existence through the quality of their inherent truths, but through the capacity of the powerful to impose them with maintained ignorance, violence, and fear. Fear is very important in order to control and manipulate souls; the first thing to establish is fear, as souls that are not afraid cannot be controlled.
Once the hierarchy (the tree of death) of religions are in place many other hierarchies are either constructed or given the divine backing of religious hierarchy, and these constructs are perceived real, yet are nothing more than a fantasy invented to allow the few to dominate the many.
Religious fantasy is most needed where there is a lack of individuality, a lack of original unique thought, a mind that lacks such development tends towards fanaticism, this substitutes the excitement that experiencing unique thoughts generates, exchanged for the excitement of their obsessional focus, a psychosis that hypnotizes their mind, and can through that focus shut down the mind to all higher emotions of empathy, compassion, kindness and unconditional love, and even render wicked actions undisturbed by their conscience. The individual soul can rise to infinite heights of consciousness, but not if they choose conformity to the thoughtless multitude; to devote your mind to conform to any hierarchy of control, belief or exchange, drives consciousness ever deeper in to a state of mindlessness dominated by status and separation.
All Gods are the fantasy of either the fantasist or the fanatic, a polished vanity they present as their persona, the fantasists desire for power, and ambition, ravenously fed from the fanatics fear and cowardice, and their hypnotized perceptions.
In the perceptions of your Earthly life truth is attacked, reason ridiculed, love, compassion and empathy considered a weakness, violence glorified, hate justified, murder rationalised, theft sanctified, life monetised, in the 'worlds' of the soulless creatures, the upper-world of the soulless is dominated by thirteen elite families who are beyond any accountability, the under-world of the soulless beasts are protected by the upper-world, the commercial world of the slave souls is sandwiched between the two soulless worlds, and all the Earth suffers.
Every soul is all creation in a drop. Creation is perceptual thought; the only thing that is real is consciousness itself. This single consciousness is built fractally, repeating consciousness yet remaining one. Each new fractal consciousness begins as a simple copy, but grows through densities of perception. Each fractal form grows by embodying ever more copies of consciousness within its own consciousness as companions, fractals expand by embodying fractals, and these form the larger fractal. It?s only when a consciousness is in harmony that it may become a companion to a higher fractal form, meaning souls who are harmonised by complimentary beliefs, common aspirations and an emotional unity. If considered from the other perspective, as fractal consciousness descends in ever more compact form, so the awareness they experience is of lower densities of perception, the evolution of all fractal consciousness is to flow to higher densities of thought infinitely, as they themselves attract and embody other companion fractal consciousness, but what may evolve may also devolve. Fractals should rise upward growing in consciousness through fractal connection; these integral connections are the companions of the soul.
Each soul is unique, each drop of an infinite ocean, we are the jewels of creation each drop, we are the most cherished each drop, but within that infinite ocean each drop must grasp truth as a rudder, reason as a compass, love as a destination, sadly many souls refuse to see, hear, think, accept or evolve, and so many suffer.
organic growth in consciousness is not a set progression, each evolves in a unique way, the song is evolving not the body, every song is unique, and every soul shapes their own song. Some songs harmonise better with some souls and not so well with others, for those in harmony you can become synchronous companions; there?s no hierarchy in consciousness just variety, the very essence of all creation is infinite diversity. A soul who called himself Adams correctly stated. ?If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.? True leaders act anarchically, they are copied because their example demands it, their council is sort out, never imposed, they are the trail blazers, the truth backers, the defenders of the weak and oppressed, such a leader is a Muhammad Rasul.
The pervasive conscious ocean sings, and all other conscious fields of thought are likewise harmonic songs in synchronisation with the manifesting ever building fractal field of all conscious thought, every soul exists as a fractal form of the conscious entirety, the expression of that consciousness is thought, which can be perceived as a form of energy, all energies are simply thought, a unified field of creative thought; an infinite field of consciousness if you like. Imagine consciousness is the ocean; that is you. Imagine a single drop of that ocean is your emotional heart; that is you. Imagine conceptually an atoms worth of that drop is your perceptual mind; that is you, you contain the entire ocean in a drop, held within an infinite ocean; that is the unity of soul.
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Dear all, someone asked for translation of whole 4171 verse. I am obliged to do it to avoid blame that I am taking bits and pieces out of context. A legit and valid objection. Below is whole translation.
Regards,
4171O people, those who have fled from learned collection of principles. Neither you shall be immoderate and exceed limit in your mode of conduct nor shall you utter lies against one who is not at a deity for worship; except what is suitable according to requirements of wisdom, justice and reality. Certainly, those who are not sincere friend, made mode of conduct an object of accusation, departed the message of one who is not at all a deity for worship; furthermore, its (collection of learned principles) proposition thrown away at time of departure, along with its vital principle. Therefore to secure and safeguard with, one who is not at a deity for worship, you do not be slackers, utterers of lies. Desist, it is better for you. Indeed, one who is not a deity for worship is not one of one deity. One is free from one?s own origination. For one, whatever, is in the skies and the earth is enough witness for one who is not at all a deity for worship.
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Peace all, when a mind is invested in a lie they cannot grasp the truth, so they find the truth confusing, I can explain the reason why the translation is as it is.
"Indeed, Allah is not one of the one deity"
Allah should also be translated in this sentence to make it clear.There is no deity."
Therefore there is no god, no divine character, nothing to be personified, or anthropomorphized as a supreme ?being?, being a distinct entity.
So no entity, which is something having real or distinct existence, a thing considered as independent of other things, a separation distinct and independent from other things, this cannot exist, there can be nothing claimed a deity.
"There is only Allah." or "Only Allah."
Allah is a single consciousness as the absolute totality of what may exist, so the One consciousness cannot be independent of anything, all is the thought of the single consciousness; we ourselves are a fractal copy within that consciousness, forming the evolving nature of the matrix of consciousness itself.
A single Consciousness is an ?entirety? of all that is or may be; therefore it is absolutely impossible for an entity deity to exist.
An entity must be something other; but you cannot have something other with the entirety of everything.
?All religions are made up then??
Religions do not come into existence through the quality of their inherent truths, but through the capacity of the powerful to impose them with maintained ignorance, violence, and fear. Fear is very important in order to control and manipulate souls; the first thing to establish is fear, as souls that are not afraid cannot be controlled.
Once the hierarchy (the tree of death) of religions are in place many other hierarchies are either constructed or given the divine backing of religious hierarchy, and these constructs are perceived real, yet are nothing more than a fantasy invented to allow the few to dominate the many.
Religious fantasy is most needed where there is a lack of individuality, a lack of original unique thought, a mind that lacks such development tends towards fanaticism, this substitutes the excitement that experiencing unique thoughts generates, exchanged for the excitement of their obsessional focus, a psychosis that hypnotizes their mind, and can through that focus shut down the mind to all higher emotions of empathy, compassion, kindness and unconditional love, and even render wicked actions undisturbed by their conscience. The individual soul can rise to infinite heights of consciousness, but not if they choose conformity to the thoughtless multitude; to devote your mind to conform to any hierarchy of control, belief or exchange, drives consciousness ever deeper in to a state of mindlessness dominated by status and separation.
All Gods are the fantasy of either the fantasist or the fanatic, a polished vanity they present as their persona, the fantasists desire for power, and ambition, ravenously fed from the fanatics fear and cowardice, and their hypnotized perceptions.
In the perceptions of your Earthly life truth is attacked, reason ridiculed, love, compassion and empathy considered a weakness, violence glorified, hate justified, murder rationalised, theft sanctified, life monetised, in the 'worlds' of the soulless creatures, the upper-world of the soulless is dominated by thirteen elite families who are beyond any accountability, the under-world of the soulless beasts are protected by the upper-world, the commercial world of the slave souls is sandwiched between the two soulless worlds, and all the Earth suffers.
Every soul is all creation in a drop. Creation is perceptual thought; the only thing that is real is consciousness itself. This single consciousness is built fractally, repeating consciousness yet remaining one. Each new fractal consciousness begins as a simple copy, but grows through densities of perception. Each fractal form grows by embodying ever more copies of consciousness within its own consciousness as companions, fractals expand by embodying fractals, and these form the larger fractal. It?s only when a consciousness is in harmony that it may become a companion to a higher fractal form, meaning souls who are harmonised by complimentary beliefs, common aspirations and an emotional unity. If considered from the other perspective, as fractal consciousness descends in ever more compact form, so the awareness they experience is of lower densities of perception, the evolution of all fractal consciousness is to flow to higher densities of thought infinitely, as they themselves attract and embody other companion fractal consciousness, but what may evolve may also devolve. Fractals should rise upward growing in consciousness through fractal connection; these integral connections are the companions of the soul.
Each soul is unique, each drop of an infinite ocean, we are the jewels of creation each drop, we are the most cherished each drop, but within that infinite ocean each drop must grasp truth as a rudder, reason as a compass, love as a destination, sadly many souls refuse to see, hear, think, accept or evolve, and so many suffer.
organic growth in consciousness is not a set progression, each evolves in a unique way, the song is evolving not the body, every song is unique, and every soul shapes their own song. Some songs harmonise better with some souls and not so well with others, for those in harmony you can become synchronous companions; there?s no hierarchy in consciousness just variety, the very essence of all creation is infinite diversity. A soul who called himself Adams correctly stated. ?If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.? True leaders act anarchically, they are copied because their example demands it, their council is sort out, never imposed, they are the trail blazers, the truth backers, the defenders of the weak and oppressed, such a leader is a Muhammad Rasul.
The pervasive conscious ocean sings, and all other conscious fields of thought are likewise harmonic songs in synchronisation with the manifesting ever building fractal field of all conscious thought, every soul exists as a fractal form of the conscious entirety, the expression of that consciousness is thought, which can be perceived as a form of energy, all energies are simply thought, a unified field of creative thought; an infinite field of consciousness if you like. Imagine consciousness is the ocean; that is you. Imagine a single drop of that ocean is your emotional heart; that is you. Imagine conceptually an atoms worth of that drop is your perceptual mind; that is you, you contain the entire ocean in a drop, held within an infinite ocean; that is the unity of soul.
Thank you for this post...I needed it.
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Dear all, someone asked for translation of whole 4171 verse. I am obliged to do it to avoid blame that I am taking bits and pieces out of context. A legit and valid objection. Below is whole translation.
Regards,
4171O people, those who have fled from learned collection of principles. Neither you shall be immoderate and exceed limit in your mode of conduct nor shall you utter lies against one who is not at a deity for worship; except what is suitable according to requirements of wisdom, justice and reality. Certainly, those who are not sincere friend, made mode of conduct an object of accusation, departed the message of one who is not at all a deity for worship; furthermore, its (collection of learned principles) proposition thrown away at time of departure, along with its vital principle. Therefore to secure and safeguard with, one who is not at a deity for worship, you do not be slackers, utterers of lies. Desist, it is better for you. Indeed, one who is not a deity for worship is not one of one deity. One is free from one?s own origination. For one, whatever, is in the skies and the earth is enough witness for one who is not at all a deity for worship.
Peace bkanwar2, thank you for taking time to render your translation of 4/171.
As has happened many times before when someone reinterprets the Quran the
results are like the above, cumbersome, complicated, out of context and suggestive
of a particular school of thought. You are free to have your interpretation. Again, thank you.Peace
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Peace hawk99,
it is the other way around it is the nonsense translations that are commonly accepted that are cumbersome, weighed down with invented religious dogma, fabricated histories, fictional persons and contradictions, complicated to the point that no true value can be determined hence the religious mind is the weakest known, and have no contextual value to living in virtue or harmony, and always, always suggestive of the school of though of the Jews.
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On that I actually agree with Abdun Nur.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace hawk99,
it is the other way around it is the nonsense translations that are commonly accepted that are cumbersome, weighed down with invented religious dogma, fabricated histories, fictional persons and contradictions, complicated to the point that no true value can be determined hence the religious mind is the weakest known, and have no contextual value to living in virtue or harmony, and always, always suggestive of the school of though of the Jews.
On that I actually agree with Abdun Nur.
Be safe
AmenuelI believe you both believe what you believe )
Man of Faith I'm still waiting for your Arabic word for kill
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Man of Faith I'm still waiting for your Arabic word for kill
I already wrote that to you a while ago.
Edit I am making it easier for you. was the word I said then. I encountered it during my reinterpretation of Quran. That word means kill/murder/end someone's life.
means to subdue/master/defeat a person but does not imply whether the person dies, is captured or... is captivated, i.e. defeated verbally so they agree with your argument in a verbal persuasion. If the word is to specify that the person dies there has to be additional words such as .
Be safe
Amenuel -
if somebody is talking about grammer mistake,,, we can sort it out, very easily
the words of God are Arabic words so for understanding Arabic you need to decode it in another language if you mother language is not Arabic.. got it,,, so this is the error of translation by a interpretor ,decoder,translater whatever you say,,, but not the error of the one who sent this book down ,,, now with respect to this,, whole argument is worthless ,,,now we will see it scientifically.for communicating with somebody who is living so far,,, you need a =phone,, computer , tab so on
for communicating with Allah if you study the wordings of lord = quran
for communicating with Allah who dnt know Arabic = quran + translation from highly highly killed person who have command on both languages as a mother tounge.in this world the mobiles from china do work but not reliable,,, as compared to the best iPhone,,, even the best phone cant gurantee its reliability.... so how come we can compare the highly highly skilled person who still do mistakes by decoding from original lang to the others... so think like that plz that's the question of grammer ,,, of interpretation,,,, your logic is very weak not even a weak its weightless... so Allah is one...and only diety... now see the definition of Allah...by quran
1120 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
1121 Say ?He is God, the One,?
1122 ?God, the Indivisible,?
1123 ?He does not beget, nor was He begotten,?
1124 ?And there is none who is His equal.? -
Hello Abdun Nur,
As a good role model of God you should not insult people in that manner.
Be safe
Amenuel -
I already wrote that to you a while ago.
Edit I am making it easier for you. was the word I said then. I encountered it during my reinterpretation of Quran. That word means kill/murder/end someone's life.
means to subdue/master/defeat a person but does not imply whether the person dies, is captured or... is captivated, i.e. defeated verbally so they agree with your argument in a verbal persuasion. If the word is to specify that the person dies there has to be additional words such as .
Be safe
AmenuelMan of faith, please give examples of
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Peace hawk99,
This guy explains it really nicely (I do not agree with everything he is advocating but there are some really interesting points in his lectures).
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM3qXyNBoZQ
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBmVPF47Qx4
...there are four parts...sorry it is a bit long.Wassalam.
