A Challenge to All Believers of Quran
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hicham,
You like insulting people.
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if somebody is talking about grammer mistake,,, we can sort it out, very easily
the words of God are Arabic words so for understanding Arabic you need to decode it in another language if you mother language is not Arabic.. got it,,, so this is the error of translation by a interpretor ,decoder,translater whatever you say,,, but not the error of the one who sent this book down ,,, now with respect to this,, whole argument is worthless ,,,now we will see it scientifically.for communicating with somebody who is living so far,,, you need a =phone,, computer , tab so on
for communicating with Allah if you study the wordings of lord = quran
for communicating with Allah who dnt know Arabic = quran + translation from highly highly killed person who have command on both languages as a mother tounge.in this world the mobiles from china do work but not reliable,,, as compared to the best iPhone,,, even the best phone cant gurantee its reliability.... so how come we can compare the highly highly skilled person who still do mistakes by decoding from original lang to the others... so think like that plz that's the question of grammer ,,, of interpretation,,,, your logic is very weak not even a weak its weightless... so Allah is one...and only diety... now see the definition of Allah...by quran
1120 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
1121 Say ?He is God, the One,?
1122 ?God, the Indivisible,?
1123 ?He does not beget, nor was He begotten,?
1124 ?And there is none who is His equal.?I suppose this is the easiest way....but then there are those who translate
1121 Say ?He is God, the One,?
as "Say It is System any"
since ehad doesnot mean one but it means any (anyone etc.) which you can check in the traditional translation for the word. That's what's bothering me, and why I cannot merrily go along with the traditional translations (unfortunately, because everything would be so much easier).
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Hello mmmm,
The word 'ahad' means unity, i.e. everyone included into the argument of the context where the word is mentioned.
Alif-Ha-Dal = make/call it one, unity, anyone/anything.
ahada ashara (eleven).If it says "allahu ahad" it means including 'Who uniquely Is As Such', i.e. it is conditional.
This form is very closely related to the word usually referring to oneness "wahed" except that "ahad" is a grammatical variation to add the "all including" within the argument.
Waw-Ha-Dal = to be one, alone, unique, unparalleled, remain lowly, be apart, assert the unity. waahidun - cardinal, number one, single. wahda - alone.
1121 ought to say "He 'Who Is' (in unity)" referring as a conditional example.
1122 "Is Who independently Is"
1133 "By (their) upbringing and so (they) were brought up"
1144 "And thus (they) become Who Is' equal\ \ \
Express he/she/it (be) unity \ independent \ beget/bring up/raise and beget/bring up/raise \ and become equal (be) unity.
Kaf-Fa-Alif = To equal, compare.
Walad
Walad (tropical) He innovated, or originated, language, and a story or the like. (A.) (assumed tropical)
, (inf. n. , K,) He reared him; educated him; brought him up. The Christians (as Th says, T, L) have
corrupted, in the Gospel, God's saying to Jesus, on whom be peace! Thou art my prophet, and I reared thee altering it thus, ; aribung to Him a son. (T, * L, K. *)"Lam" is a problematic word for me to explain to you since it is based on my empirical research and I have not found any resource material for the fact it does not mean 'no'. I can say that it is quite similar to the word Al-am. It is a very grammatical word. It means something like "of such" which could perhaps be likened with "due to (this)/therefore" in English.
Unity - dictionary reference
http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/unity?s=t
noun, plural unities.
- the state of being one; oneness.
- a whole or totality as combining all its parts into one.
- the state or fact of being united or combined into one, as of the parts of a whole; unification.
- absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character.
- oneness of mind, feeling, etc., as among a number of persons; concord, harmony, or agreement.
It is probably up to each reader to interpret what God means by these few passages. Sectarians burst out in anger by this because it says a person should associate themselves with God. But for those who understand, they understand further that God is "breeding" clones in the same image yet everyone in the same Oneness. Ahad and independently refers to that they choose their own path rather than fall for the Homo Sapiens, the primate's, tendency to follow each other like sheep, but these people can manage to raise up in this very image unaffected by others. They are not like sheep.
Sorry to all of those who heard information that they would not like to hear. I know this is blasphemous and even heretical in sectarian Islam. Unfortunately for you this is what the Arabic really says and it is you who have been beguiled.
1141 - 1144 Express He Who Is in unity, aimed to be Who Is by upbringing and so was brought up and thus become Who Is' equal in unity.
Translation was provided on-the-fly and may not be perfect. I generally tend to interpret ahad as a word I use as "symbiotic" in English when explaining the faith on this forum. Last translation is the one I am most satisfied with.First definitions for Samad from Lane's Lexicon
1 , (S, M, A, Mgh,) aor. , (S, Mgh,) inf. n. ; (S, M, Mgh, K and ; (M, A; *) He tended,
repaired, betook himself, or directed himself or his course or aim, to, or towards, him, or it; or
endeavoured to reach, or attain, or obtain, him, or it; or had recourse to him, or it; syn.Be safe
Amenuel -
Selam
Thank you for sharing your translation. It is very, very, very hard to accept, it cannot be done in a moment, a month or even years. I suppose one has to come to such conclusions by himself to be able to believe it. It is also the fear of asociating with Allah that people would rather let things be.
At least I can accept it means "unity" - "any" translation was very disturbing for me (I know the truth doesnot depend on me being comfortable, but just sayin .
As for the rest I cannot accept that human beings should consider themselves as God (this reminds me of a New Age Belief System - I can send you link if you want to hear more about debunking it). It is like saying the AA battery is just like the nuclear power station.Wassalam.
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Hello mmmm,
The final translation was hardy visible without enlarging it manually. I paste it again.
1141 - 1144 Express He Who Is in unity, aimed to be Who Is by upbringing and so was brought up and thus become Who Is' equal in unity.
As for the rest I cannot accept that human beings should consider themselves as God (this reminds me of a New Age Belief System - I can send you link if you want to hear more about debunking it). It is like saying the AA battery is just like the nuclear power station.
You do not exactly consider yourself God, the Rabb is the Foundation of existence and you cannot replace the Father. I am not propagating a "New Age Belief System". However, what I translated is basically what Quran says so then you could blame it for being a "New Age Belief System". It takes understanding what it really says.
Quran does never say you are the Rabb but Malukateh which is an unsubstantiated maleikateh much like "angel-in-training", that the person has not proven worthy of the rank. Arabic is ingenious linguistically and one single letter can make such a difference whether it contains two dots under the letter or not, i.e. and .
On the other hand, you do exist in the Oneness of God, and that is what "Allahu ahad" means, since there is no other Foundation in existence for us and we belong to that Platform being attached by the infrastructure generally called the 'Holy Spirit'. Shrewdly God chose to refer to itself as Allah because it is a symbiotic phenomenon and has no separate unit but people who acknowledge they belong with it. Allah is a third-person construct of "I am who am I", i.e. Be Such - Such Who", the morphological breakdown exposes it fairly well. The core of that unity has a 'Special Intelligence' called Rabb in Arabic, but those within Allah they belong with Rabb sharing its qualities, yet Rabb is always greater than you since it is the actual platform (the realm) that you exist and it could literally destroy you if it liked.
But then it takes acknowledging that fact and then work towards removing that delusion upon yourself caused by the attached Body of yours. The Body is called a contradiction and that it is.
If you attempt to debunk this then you try to debunk what Quran says, and unknowingly try to delude about God. It is okay; the truth has always been difficult to swallow and this is the reason why Jesus was so persecuted during his lifetime in a Body on Earth, especially when he said "I am in the Father and the Father in me" and they called him blasphemous because of this. It was not allowed in their sectarianism, and is not today either, to associate yourself with God despite that this is what God is expecting for those who become aware.
You should belong to God like as if it was a family, to be the 'Children of Israel', which has been a code name all along. If Quran addresses "Ya Bani Israel" then it may be addressing you depending on what kind of God you decide to follow. You could call the family Allah and Rabb for Father. Rabb and Allah go hand in hand since Rabb is the Foundation-Giver/Sustainer/Provider and Allah "Who Is As Such". Take a look at the root of Rabb (Ra-Ba-Ba). Pay attention to that most of the definitions have to do with upbringing or making stronger.
Ra-Ba-Ba = to be a lord and master, collect, possess/owner, rule, increase, complete, bring up, preserve, chief, guardian, regulator, determiner, caretaker, provider, sustainer, perfecter, rewarder, creator, maintainer, reposer of properties, developer, former of rules and laws of the growth, foster a thing in such a manner as to make it attain one condition after another until it reaches its goal of completion, the bringing a thing to a state of completion by degrees, whoever possesses a thing is it's rabb.
Several of the definitions are not accurate.
I hope you can realize why Jesus substituted Rabb for Father (abbau) in Aramaic, the language he spoke. Abbau is a word more related linguistically to Rabb then people may realize. Rabbi is a word used in the Jewish Rabbi culture and is/was used to refer to teacher or developer. What is a person supposed to be? They are supposed to be like their teacher and Allah is a cryptically used word to say "Who Is As Such" or even "Who Is'. At least I choose to be 'Who Is' like my Rabb. And no apprentice can be greater than their Master.
By the way, the word 'Rabbi' means in Semitic grammar "who has Rabb-like qualities" or "is like Rabb", but with just one letter addition as suffix. It is very similar to how mullah is used in Arabic except that the grammar usage may be perceived as ignorant and the term does not exist in Quran.
Thank you for sharing your translation. It is very, very, very hard to accept, it cannot be done in a moment, a month or even years. I suppose one has to come to such conclusions by himself to be able to believe it. It is also the fear of asociating with Allah that people would rather let things be.
I understand it is disturbing for you depending on all the disinformation you and everyone else have been fed with. But the thing is that association is just what the Rabb is expecting. What people misconceive with my propagation is that they believe that I say you are the Rabb while you are a part of it. I have tried to say that if you imagine the Rabb being a human standing with an umbrella then every person underneath it are those becoming associated and grow. The umbrella protects the sheltered from a mind-affecting* rain that makes them imperceptive of who they really are, but some people can due to "focused living" despite the mind-affecting* rain perceive the Rabb standing with the big umbrella and seek shelter underneath. Obviously I relayed a parable to you so take it for what it was. I have relayed a variety of parables conveying the same, one with data networks as a metaphor, but the umbrella version is one of the finest.
- Try to see the "mind-effecting rain" as a metaphor for the Body and its instinctive drive. The umbrella's effect is the benefits of separating themselves from the Body and its satan, because then they can see more clearly depending on how well they do the separation because they approach their Holy (wholesome) Spirit. And that Spirit is an independent consciousness (soul/person) yet a mirror of the Rabb and connected/hard-wired at the same time in an esoteric to understand manner. The network parable is better at explaining that relationship actually.
The fear of association is what the sectarians have fed people for centuries in propaganda and threats and Quran's interpretation is tailored in a such a manner that words that convey about association have the opposite implication and rather say "no no" about it while they ought to approve of it. In truth the Rabb has for intention to "breed" superhuman Spirits (persons/souls) in His own image and would not be anything else but pleased if a person came to reach the same level of perfection.
Be safe
Amenuel -
" "breed" superhuman Spirits (persons/souls) in His own image.." -Amenuel, could you please point me to the ayats that are saying or implying this? I know you talk much about these things from the Bible and taking that what Jesus said in it as true. Saying I do not believe in this, if you can show some arguments solely based on the Quran.
Thanks.
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Hello mmmm,
" "breed" superhuman Spirits (persons/souls) in His own image.." -Amenuel, could you please point me to the ayats that are saying or implying this? I know you talk much about these things from the Bible and taking that what Jesus said in it as true.
I take the sayings of Jesus as true because they are true. Why would they not be? What sounds senseless in them?
Quran can testify that they are true, whenever a person can actually interpret it as intended by the Author.
I can paste passages from Quran with my translation. I will give you the numbers too so you can check against something else.
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And then tell that your Sustainer made for the Ruler a contradiction in the World by indicating that this was made to be corrupting and consume you. Persevere and likely to succeed are you with approval and wholesomeness about you. Say that ?This is to learn what is not taught?.
232 - 233
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?And learn there is for every Persistent (Adam) a ?Door? each, because they widen to inspire unto the Ruler insight flowing out of the ?Door?. If you are fulfilled / indicating your success is such being aware of that which you were not aware of that you are wisely aware.
Inspire, O Persistent (Adam), giving insight to them about their ?Door? such thereof which does give them insight about their ?Door?. Inspire thereof inspiration from you to learn about the secret of ?The Doors? and the World and learn what is not manifest and so that you are not restrained.
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And then tell that the Ruler had to accept Persistence (Adam) to accept to be confounded from his/her Father and have to grow and become deluded.
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And tell that, O Persistent (Adam), that you reside bound to the Body and everyone from its offspring spread by copulation and the kindred of such one to avert becoming evil / are cutting off its instinctive drive to clear them from not becoming it. And it was inspired to break away separating yourselves to separated pass along and those of you will have an explanation of the World and preserve his/her sanity / in experiencing Persistence (Adam) by the Sustainer?s exertions of His/Her/Its qualities that he/she has such as the quality of absoluteness.
238
Tell to break away of its characteristics so that you do not pursue its inclination to desire, inclinations that are detrimental for them and such as those are wavering.
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O Children of the Chief (Children of Israel), regard the blindness that is blinding you and reach its end by reaching your end and reside in the Sustainer.
The last passage is very forthcoming of what everything is about. It is mentioned almost exactly the same more than once in the chapter.
Anemta, generally perceived by people as a positive word is a negative word based on the root Ayn-Miim-Ya = to swerve from duty, stray from the right course, be or become blind, ignorant, obscure and dubious, deprive of the sight, rend abstruse, blind, dark, conceal. amaha - mental blindness, amaya - mental and physical blindness.
Quran very often refers to that blindness, it is actually the Body which is the blinding factor.
You can clearly see that Quran already expects the lecturer to know a whole lot of information because the template for the lecture material in Quran is very open-ended.
Of course I understand that you have problems with accepting my translation. A grand majority of people have and it is very much unbelievable for people that Quran was interpreted originally by a bunch of hypocrites who did actually not understand a thing but were very much interested of inserting their bogus beliefs in it.
So actually you possess a book that propagates a "New Age System" even though I would not compare what I say with such. I do not even know about New Age because I have never even read anything about it.
Saying I do not believe in this, if you can show some arguments solely based on the Quran.
You had your arguments from Quran, some of them.
Be safe
Amenuel -
I mean no disrespect, but Henrik's (mis)construction cannot be relied upon!
It's lit. a mishmash of unsupported conjecture!Motive aside, (s)he who "translates" the Quran to English should - logically speaking - be adept in both languages! To what i've seen, MOF is good with the target-L, but clearly not well acquainted with the source-L.
I am sorry if my frankness bothers you, but this is the reality.
Cf. Quran 278
SLM
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Selam hicham9,
Thank you for your frankness - I am not bothered (and I am not brother but sister ), I appreciate it. I'm thinking that in that case we already have Quran translations - from well educated men who are experts in arabic and probably highly educated in that field. What bothers me is that we see so many biased and predefined words in the Quran that lead to contradictions or at least not very clear translations if we don't fill the gaps with fake history/hadiths.
What is your suggestion?Wassalam.
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Hello,
I have grown well acquainted with it, definitely more acquainted with it than every sheep who has just followed others without really analyzed the discourse critically. There are people who are more professional with the deluded version of Arabic comparably to my level of knowledge in the real version of it, but that is entirely evened out by the fact this is the real language when the falsehood is removed. Linguistically including grammar I am far ahead of those "scholars" who do not even know the underlying morphology.
What bothers me is that we see so many biased and predefined words in the Quran that lead to contradictions or at least not very clear translations if we don't fill the gaps with fake history/hadiths.
Well, it is obvious if a text is not properly interpreted that it leads to contradictions. What you have is a scripture that was never interpreted from the start and a language that was perverted and it did not only begin with Arabic but also Aramaic, and religious scholars is the reason. You can never make the mainstream translations/interpretations good because they are based on a bogus foundation. The only way is by ditching that sheep mask and start to investigate critically. A whole World of lies will emerge and you would draw the same conclusions as I.
The translation of Quran would land on something nearly to what I am suggesting right now which is not a finished release but I am still working on improving the comprehension. Yet the gist of what I produce as a translation is along the lines of what Quran really conveys and in some passages I am really satisfied with the rendition actually. In many cases the translation can still be a bit too literal to make sense in English.
Be safe
Amenuel -
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This is a very simple sentence. Its translation should be as follows.
?Indeed Allah is not a one and only deity.?
Explanation It is a nominal sentence.
This is subject or of the sentence, it is .
This is compound of two nouns called and hence the predicate of sentence or .
Two particles written together in script. indeed, certainly and meaning ?not?. These particles when used independently govern the I?rabs of nouns in the sentences. However, the rule is that when is combined with , these lose their governing power, which is the case here.
It is a challenge to all believers of Quran to disprove, this explanation. If they are really believers then, it is an imperative upon them to do it, even as per their own beliefs. They are free to muster as much help as they like.
Regards,
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you changed a translation... now yes means no and no means yes.....
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It is never good to bring a phrase out of context. But bkanwar is right except that does mean something like "it is". is "It is not". often begins a new sentence and a good word to look for when to identify a new sentence within the poorly fragmented verse system. Usually it does only carry a very simply meaning on the sentence such as "it is/this is/that is" but is a also potent of meaning "if" depending on formula. Morphologically it is "Be/is Integrity" giving condition for the sentence.
- That is not 'Such Who Is' 'Who Is' united/one. It does not make sense without the rest of the passage.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Rather, ...
Selam hicham9,
Thank you for your frankness - I am not bothered (and I am not brother but sister ), I appreciate it. I'm thinking that in that case we already have Quran translations - from well educated men who are experts in arabic and probably highly educated in that field. What bothers me is that we see so many biased and predefined words in the Quran that lead to contradictions or at least not very clear translations if we don't fill the gaps with fake history/hadiths.
What is your suggestion?Wassalam.
Salute my sister )
As there is much Logomachy, I suggest working on a quranic lexicon first. The meaning/s of each quranic term/locution need to be objectively studied/scrutinized (in the quranic writ & the shemitic tree).
Slm