salat discussion
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Amen means to realize or make something a particular way through realization and not believe. Moses realized as a consequence of the experience.
And the lesson is that God has no form or shape, or time and place, but it omnipresent and in control of every atom. Moses realized this among other things. He was repentant because he had already known the nature of God but was still testing God due to some doubt inside him. After this he had realized for sure.
Salaam
"Omnipresent an in control of every atom", so why do you often go around trying to act like I've said anything different from that and poking fun at what I've said?
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Salaam Freedom,
Because you say that people do not choose to will something on their own even if the will of then Rabb always prevails. I said that it is flawed logic because then the Rabb is just treating people like voodoo dolls and it is just like a motion picture which ending is already set so it is utterly redundant.
And I said that the Rabb has given respite to people and thus sustains a kind of platform in which if the Rabb wills can intervene but usually does not as not to spoil the test. That all is a mere illusion however and made of some kind of force/energy and developmentally guided by what has traditionally been called 'the Holy Spirit'. You shall eventually know its true nature.
We live here in this world as a kind of chance to choose our destiny, between materialism or spirituality. Those who choose materialism will have it become their curse. You shall see that if one becomes detached from materialism then it will be much easier to be spiritual. The materialism is only delusional and it is not really what one's heart was after anyway but it was rather the ego.
The "God-factor" will have had its affection but the nature of God is not really what people often delude themselves into thinking. It is following the concept I already mentioned about "be which it is" as treading in its image using the term Allah in Arabic and the Sustainer's personal address in Arabic is 'Rabb', which could translate as "The Foundation" and could also be regarded to be the platform itself or the consciousness you exist in.
Salaam
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And the intention is fundamentally not to make fun of you or mock but it is, like to everyone else on this forum, to help you with the facts.
And you choose yourself what you do with it, but I must say what is right. I cannot lie by tailoring what you want to hear. I do not seek fame. And the truth is hard for most people to accept and has always been.
Salaam
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And the intention is fundamentally not to make fun of you or mock but it is, like to everyone else on this forum, to help you with the facts.
And you choose yourself what you do with it, but I must say what is right. I cannot lie by tailoring what you want to hear. I do not seek fame. And the truth is hard for most people to accept and has always been.
Salaam
I think your views are generally more palatable for people than mine, and for the most part people tend to believe in many things similar to what you're presenting. I too can accept what you're saying, but I wonder then about this other power of "chance" and how it came to be from nothing, how it exists if it was not programmed and designed. I don't believe in the power of chance, except that Allah is Chance and freely wills whatever occurs, that there is no separation between Allah and what happens everywhere, that nature or reality is one thing rather than many, so that every little particle is moving as Allah wills it rather than as Chance wills it.
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The Rabb is going to reap what has been sown and that means there was the risk some of the seeds were growing in the wrong way and the produce be bitter and sour to the taste.
Be well
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The Rabb is going to reap what has been sown and that means there was the risk some of the seeds were growing in the wrong way and the produce be bitter and sour to the taste.
Be well
A risk?
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Stuck on words, are we?
The potential. Well, you see some of them choked by the weeds and some seeds landed on rock...
Be well
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Stuck on words, are we?
The potential. Well, you see some of them choked by the weeds and some seeds landed on rock...
Be well
I just mean, a risk, like, its just by chance? Chance is the determiner? Just wondering.
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There is no chance. It is what we make of it.
Be well
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I need help here. I was raised a sunni and used to pray according to the books authored by Bukhari and company. The problem is that I'm still heavily influenced by these books when reading the Quran. My question is, if you were to take person who never heard of hadith books, give him/her the Quran and drop them off in an island, how would he/she perfom salah?
Rule #1 "GOD does not shy away from the truth."
Rule #2 "Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?"
How would this person, stranded in an island with the Quran perfom salah? Would he/she read from the Quran only when making salah? If yes, isn't salah to worship God alone and not mention anything or anyone other than God? The Quran mentions the stories of prophets, you possible cannot recite these verses while mentioning God alone in salah.
http//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/importance_of_salat_(P1196).html
According to this website, salat "strengthens our belief and makes us attain certainty" which I don't deny. The verse he/she quotes is this one"Therefore, you shall glorify your Lord singing His praise, and be among the prostrators and worship your Lord until you attain certainty."
Initially, the verse talks of glorifying and praising Allah and then goes on to talk of prostration and worship in order to attain certainty.
If prostration is really a physical thing and the translation is correct, the followers of the sectarian religion based on hadith books(Islam) who make the most prostrations a day compared to any other religion should be the most righteous. As a former sunni, daily physical prostration never made a difference for me.
It never increased me in certainty or prevented me from committing evil.Since becoming a Quran only monotheist, what really made a difference was the constant daily mental connection I had with God. Contemplation and gratefulness of all the things God created. I remember God and praise him whenever I see a fellow human. I see humans as humans and never pay attention to the colour of their skin. It's this sort of connection, that I honestly never experienced before when I was a sectarian making 5 physical daily prayers.
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Peace Invalid777,
How would this person, stranded in an island with the Quran perfom salah? Would he/she read from the Quran only when making salah? If yes, isn't salah to worship God alone and not mention anything or anyone other than God? The Quran mentions the stories of prophets, you possible cannot recite these verses while mentioning God alone in salah.
I deeply recommend these posts
The meanings of Salat as stated by the Quran
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606711.0
There is a minimum of 2 daily Salat in the Quran
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598576.msg376640#msg376640
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598576.msg376692#msg376692
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598576.msg376779#msg376779
Do/perform Salat with a monotone voice
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607817.msg376795#msg376795
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607817.msg376798#msg376798
The Quranic Salat is a ritual/practice
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607864.msg376962#msg376962
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607864.msg376980#msg376980
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607864.msg377151#msg377151
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607864.msg377153#msg377153
Direction of prayers, the Ka'aba and qibla
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11496.msg79477#msg79477
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607833.msg376445#msg376445
The Quranic perspective on Sujud
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607327.msg376442#msg376442
It appears that all muslims/monotheists have some doubts and some unanswered questions, in the beginning of their spiritual journey. If, after having read all the posts in the links above, you or anyone else still have unanswered questions about what Salat means and how to do/perform Salat according to the Quran alone, feel free to send me a PM, if you would like to talk with me. If you send me a PM and ask me questions, I will do my best to answer your questions, or give you links to posts, articles and/or books that might contain the answer to your questions.
Much respect,
Taro.
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Hello Invalid777,
Since becoming a Quran only monotheist, what really made a difference was the constant daily mental connection I had with God.
The opinion varies when it comes to salat according to "Quran only monotheists". Some think it is still a prayer ritual with no consensus on 2, 3 or 5 occasions daily, some think it is a meditation and some (like me) do not consider that it has to do anything with either meditation or prayer.
My personal research has revealed that salat has to do with "following", i.e. to uphold the guidance of God. I am not sure if I have an optimal translation of "Aqum al-salawteh" yet unfortunately, but I have made linguistic analyses. In the phrase "aqum al-salateh", then grammatically the al-salawteh should be an adjectival noun modifying the previous word "aqum" which would be a verb.
You have to start finding definitions for the two root words which are Qum () and Salawa () that are likely candidates for the linguistic use. Many people say that Qum means stand/uphold/establish, but I would argue that it means to be uprightly/firmly/straightly and the same root is used in the phrase "Ahedana al-sirat al-mustaqeem" in the first chapter Al-fateha where it is used as "straight". Salawa has many definitions stated in ancient lexicons but "to follow closely/remain attached" is the likely candidate in my world. It is worth paying attention to the fact that Arabic words seldom have one word definitions but since Arabic is a descriptive language you must "paint" an image of what the word likes to say in your head. But if you think about "following closely behind a horse in a horse race remaining locked on it without losing focus on it, then that is "salawa". This example is mentioned in an ancient Arabic lexicon. It is the striving on in a firm focused manner that is "salawa".
There is also an alternative to straight or firm for Qum () and that is the lexical definition "to keep a thing or an affair in a right state", i.e. uphold or maintain. But I suppose you can understand its Arabic descriptive implication on the language. As you see in my translation suggestions below I also mention "Follow" for translation which I consider fully viable. If you follow instructions, you uphold them. In some portions of Quran they use "Ya Qumeh " which could imply that such as Moses are saying "O Followers" (i.e. those who uphold what he is teaching).
The above is the verb form of salawa, but salawateh is an object created using the objectifier (teh)meaning (is such) "what is the following". That makes the word the object of following turning the ball, i.e. the first word Aqum implies "be straight/upholding (with)" as in morphology (alef) means "Be" (the state of being) and here it prefixes it.
Red the word is marked AL (is such), Arabic grammar.
So what is "aqum al-salawteh"? What is the best English translation?
I have translation candidates here
• Firmly follow guidance
• Follow guidance firmly
• Follow guidance
• Cling unto the guidance
• Uphold guidance
My personal favorite candidates are "Uphold Guidance" and "Follow guidance".
Most of the time, Quran refers to its own taught information concerning salawteh.
People often propagate against me with many different counterarguments, but their sad examples are derived from sectarian translations where whole passages would need a total revising.
I often get such as 2458, 56, 443 slammed in my face. I have however at one time a while ago dealt with 2458, and I have prototype translations of 56. The problem is that the ancient translators had no clue of what it was they translated in terms of 56 so it requires a total reevaluation and analysis. I try not to translate here and there in Quran but I follow A to B quite sternly on my total reinterpretation project I am devoted to.
I wrote this post to you, Invalid777, because I felt that you are new to me here and I thought that you perhaps is not so "snow trapped inside the cottage" as some other people on here and is able to reason on another dimension using logical arguments, which are actually found within ancient lexicons too.
I suggest you test my arguments on more simple passages to see how they fit contextually without worrying too much on what is literally written in the passages. For the sake of force-fitting it into a sectarian translation (I use the Monotheist Translation 2013 here) let us see what happens to some common sections23 Those who believe in the unseen, and uphold guidance, and
from Our provisions to them they spend240 O Children of Israel, remember My blessings that I had blessed you with, and fulfill your pledge to Me that I may fulfill My pledge to you, and reverence Me alone.
241 And believe in what I have sent down, authenticating what is with you, and do not be the first to disbelieve in it! And do not purchase with My revelations a cheap gain, and of Me you shall be aware.
242 And do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor keep the truth secret while you know.
243 And UPHOLD THE GUIDANCE, and contribute towards purification, and kneel with those who kneel.283 And We took the covenant of the Children of Israel ?You shall not serve except God, and do good to your parents, and regard the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and say kind things to the people, and UPHOLD THE GUIDANCE, and contribute towards purification.? But then you turned away, except for a few of you; you were objecting.
2109 Many of the people of the Book have wished that they could return you to being rejecters after your believing, out of envy from their souls after the truth was made clear to them. You shall forgive them and overlook until God brings His will. God is capable of all things.
2110 And UPHOLD THE GUIDANCE, and contribute towards purification; and what you bring forth of good for your souls you will find it with God. God is watching what you do.
2111 And (BUT) they said ?None shall enter the Paradise except those who are Jewish or Nazarenes;? this is what they wish! Say ?Bring forth your proof if you are truthful.?(see prior verses of the below to see there is a context that speaks of a serious context)
2236 There is no sin upon you if you divorce the women before having sexual intercourse with them, or before setting the dowry for them. Let them have recompense, the rich according to his means, and the poor according to his means. A recompense in kindness, a responsibility for the good doers.
2237 And if you divorce them before having sexual intercourse with them, but you have already set the dowry for them; then you must give half of what you have agreed, unless they forgive or the guardian over the marriage contract forgives. And if you forgive, it is closer to righteousness. And do not forget the favor between you; God is Seer of what you do.
2238 GUARD UPON THE GUIDANCES (i.e. plural, not possible in English grammar but here); and THE BEST GUIDANCE (THE (way of) BEST FOLLOWING); and stand (follow) for God dutifully.2277 Those who believe and do good works, and UPHOLD THE GUIDANCE, and contribute towards purification; they will have their recompense with their Lord and there is no fear over them nor will they grieve.
Et cetera, I do not have time to waste on worthless interpretations. I dislike seeing them. I hope you can reflect upon it even with a translation like this and see that AQUM AL-SALAWTEH speaks of "following guidance".
Disclaimer I do not stand by the Monotheist Translation at all and this was just as a demonstration.
Be safe
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Hello Invalid777,
Be safe
AmenuelThanks for the reply man of faith. I have another question regarding salat.
"O you who believe, when you rise to observe the Salat, you shall wash your faces and your arms to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles." 56
As you can see from this verse, God orders you to wash your face, arms to elbows, wipe head and feet to ankles before observing salat. This process is not called "ablusion" or "wudhuu" by God as it is not mentioned in the Quran. So what do we call this process because it obviously isn't called wudhu in the Quran? We also must consider the possibility of false translation since the sectarians who translated the Quran and over time spread false interpretation of verses and words. The Quran was interpreted and translated with the intention of trying to twist it and fit it into the hadith book collection of Bukhari & company. Salat obviously isn't a physical robotic prayer like how Muslims perfom salat. Salat is not just a physical thing either because if it was, the followers of the religion of Islam would be the most righteous people on the planet, but that isn't the case.They only follow conjecture and lie. Verse 56 always comes in my mind. If salat isn't a physical ritual, why are we to wash/wet these parts of the body before making salat?
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Thanks for the reply man of faith. I have another question regarding salat.
"O you who believe, when you rise to observe the Salat, you shall wash your faces and your arms to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles." 56
As you can see from this verse, God orders you to wash your face, arms to elbows, wipe head and feet to ankles before observing salat. This process is not called "ablusion" or "wudhuu" by God as it is not mentioned in the Quran. So what do we call this process because it obviously isn't called wudhu in the Quran? We also must consider the possibility of false translation since the sectarians who translated the Quran and over time spread false interpretation of verses and words. The Quran was interpreted and translated with the intention of trying to twist it and fit it into the hadith book collection of Bukhari & company. Salat obviously isn't a physical robotic prayer like how Muslims perfom salat. Salat is not just a physical thing either because if it was, the followers of the religion of Islam would be the most righteous people on the planet, but that isn't the case.They only follow conjecture and lie. Verse 56 always comes in my mind. If salat isn't a physical ritual, why are we to wash/wet these parts of the body before making salat?
Hello Invalid777,
56 traditionally is a huge hoax, and the ancient interpreters have interpreted at will. I have prototype translations, but I have not spent an awful amount of time on that passage since I decipher Quran systematically from A to B for most part. What I do know is that the whole passage is ridiculously translated/interpreted.
In fact, just because I feel people are nagging about passages like these, I am going to spend a couple of hours refining that translation and present it to you right here albeit very literally through a word-by-word rendition.
56 O who are of the ones (who) are being of integrity (Amenuwa) , then/when (if) straight you on following, cleanse/purify ways yours and deeds yours on service/usefulness and open/clean/devoted (word has same root as ?the Messiah?) (about) ascension your and footsteps your on glorious/firm/elevated and that (if) (by ?Be Integrity?) be you (who) remote/remove/shun/abstain (to make) (that) foundation and that be you worldly or on subsided/unveiled/separated/dispersed or do/commit/bring/produce unity/one you from sink/descend/ignorance or seek/touch/feel the spirituality desire not (to) head for ascend/raise rightness (to be) opened/cleaned/devoted ways your and deeds your from not seek/search/desire (to) (be) made/make you distress/doubt/sin/difficulty and become beseeched/desired foundation your and (is) your blindness you. You (who) grateful/recognize/realize ? (the passage is supposed to continue contextually into the next verse)
Just because I am so very kind I am also providing a translation which is not word-by-word below even if I had not intended it, an extra hour of work
O who have integrity, when to make your following straight, then cleanse your ways/perception and make your deeds useful and be devoted about your ascension and let your footsteps be noble, but if you refrain from making that a foundation and if you are worldly or dispersed or act towards ones of you ignorantly or touch inspiration to desire what is not to head for definite rightness, then that is (will be) your way of devotion and your deeds are not to seek to . Such makes upon yourselves of difficulty/distress/sin and becomes your foundation of desire and it will become a blindness upon you. Upon those of you grateful/cognizant? (Passage needs next verse to be coherent)
I thank you for making me sit down with this passage once and for all and delivering a decent rendition. There is no reason to thank me but thank the Rabb who even introduced me to the language secret of Arabic.
Be safe
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Hello Invalid777,
56 traditionally is a huge hoax, and the ancient interpreters have interpreted at will. I have prototype translations, but I have not spent an awful amount of time on that passage since I decipher Quran systematically from A to B for most part. What I do know is that the whole passage is ridiculously translated/interpreted.
Be safe
AmenuelIf the interpretation of this verse was interpreted that badly, it leaves me with serious doubts of the entire translation of the Quran. I honestly cannot trust any mainstream translation any longer. Translation of verse 56 left me with a headache since salat cannot be a physical robotic ritual.
I always remember Rule #1 "GOD does not shy away from the truth." when reading the Quran in order to avoid mental gymnastics, something many people fail to recall when looking for answers in the Quran whether it's regarding how to perform salat, what salat is, when to perform, what is forbidden and what isn't etc. I earlier mentioned a scenario where you put a person whom never heard of hadith books or Muslims and gave him/her the Quran and dropped him/her off on an island. So I asked myself "how would this person perform salat?". I was left speechless. I could not perform salat in a physical way without the influence of hadith books because I was a former sunni.To claim that the Source Of All Knowledge/The Platform AKA GOD couldn't get a simple revelation right or shy away from the truth was silly.
Recalling Rule #2 "Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?", the Quran is a complete and fully detailed book. "Why salat, something that is so important, wasn't given enough explanation?" I thought to myself for a moment before recalling Rule #2. This can only mean salat isn't what we really think it is. It is not something you do"wudhu"(ie wash body parts) before performing salat or something you do 2,3 or 5 times a day as some Quran-only monotheist claim. Note, they're only able to claim such with mental gymnastics and forget Rule #1. They add together and twist a few verses, whose interpretation are influenced by hadith books and go on to make their illogical claims. They think God had to cut into pieces such an important verse regarding salat times and names and spread them around the Quran, ONLY for us to put the pieces together and find what salat is. This would of course break Rule #1 and the Quran being a guide(not a puzzle game).Muhammad was "illiterate" from religion and their practises. In other words, he was not influenced by such conjecture from religion and their books, similar to the scenario I mentioned earlier.Muslims claim he couldn't even spell his own name which is a laughable claim in their interpretation of Muhammad being so retarded that the revelation(Quran) that was given to him to warn others with and explain, was compiled after his death.
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Peace Invalid777.
When you say,quote
I was left speechless. I could not perform salat in a physical way without the influence of hadith books because I was a former sunni.I have no idea how you have come to this conclusion. Are you saying if you put a man on an island with hadith books only , he will know how to perform salat?
Actually if one has not witnessed people doing "salat", by watching and learning from each other, no one will know how to do salat?
GOD has "taught" Abraham how to do salat according to Qoran. Then Abraham taught his children/people, then it was taught down the line to our day.
GOD only corrected the corruption that were introduced into "salat" or changed certain instruction that he made clear in the scriptures that followed Abraham. GOD tries generations according to HIS knowledge and wisdom.
That is my understanding about "salat".
GOD bless you.
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peace GL,
I recall you made this claim before
GOD has "taught" Abraham how to do salat according to Qoran.
And it transpired it was based on assumptions and methodology that I, and member bender, did not agree with.
Members can see from here
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Peace Invalid777.
When you say,quote
I was left speechless. I could not perform salat in a physical way without the influence of hadith books because I was a former sunni.I have no idea how you have come to this conclusion. Are you saying if you put a man on an island with hadith books only , he will know how to perform salat?
Actually if one has not witnessed people doing "salat", by watching and learning from each other, no one will know how to do salat?
GOD has "taught" Abraham how to do salat according to Qoran. Then Abraham taught his children/people, then it was taught down the line to our day.
GOD only corrected the corruption that were introduced into "salat" or changed certain instruction that he made clear in the scriptures that followed Abraham. GOD tries generations according to HIS knowledge and wisdom.
That is my understanding about "salat".
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace Good logic
Salat is to God only. You cannot mention anything or anyone other than God. The Quran includes stories of prophets so you just can't pull out a random chapter and recite it.
Rule #1 "GOD does not shy away from the truth."
Rule #2 "Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?"
Since the Quran is a complete and fully detailed guide and salat is important, salat cannot be a physical ritual because if it was then the Quran would not be a complete and detailed guide. In other words Bukhari & Co had to come to rescue, fill the empty gaps God left in the Quran and teach people how to peform salat as Muslims indirectly and directly claim. Using the two verse above while reading the Quran, you will not find a single verse in the Quran explaining how to perform a physical ritual called salat without some mental gymnastics. There are only two explanations for this, either salat is not a physical ritual with "wudhu" or God couldn't get a simple revelation right hence making the two above verses void. The latter would be an insane claim. A claim that is made indirectly by people who claim salat is a physical ritual without them knowing. You cannot claim that salat is a physical ritual without the influence of Muslims and their hadith books.
I believe this is another piece of evidence that the Quran is a flawless guide and Prophet Muhammad was indeed a messenger of God. God would not have chosen a person influenced by religion and their man-made books as a messenger. Muhammad was "illiterate" from such conjecture. This is why I'm using the "Island scenario" which is the closest one to how Muhammad was. Zero influence from religious people and their hadith books, hence zero conjecture.
Abraham realised that the people he lived with were following conjecture. He realised that there is a creator, all with the senses God gave him. He didn't need a book to come to such a conclusion. The same is expected of us. To not shut our senses down and follow blindly what we found society and parents to be doing. We must use these senses, the intelligence God gifted us with. When you decide you want to take that step out of the herd of sheep you were born into and not continue to stay in it as majority of people have done. God does not guide the ones who are not willing to change, the ones who choose to shut their intelligence and senses God gifted them with. They chose to remain in darkness, follow conjecture and lies. They destroy themselves and put themselves in hell.
God is the teacher, the guider, the source of knowledge and the platform for life and all existence. The one whom everything relies on. God guided Abraham and his children, Abraham didn't.
As far as I know, there is no mention in the Quran of God correcting salat. Muslims call their pagan rituals "salat" and "wudhu". They use these labels to hide their true nature. Pagans and polytheists.
I believe salat is the connection to God. Salat increases you in certainty and righteousness and keeps you from committing evil. This never happened to me while I was a sunni making physical prayers. I was an arrogant jerk. I used to spread corruption, bully people, thinking paradise was reserved to Muslims alone and everyone else was going to hell. The typical sectarian. -
Peace Invalid777.
There is truth and falsehood mixed up in "Traditional Islam". Qoran clarifies for us what is truth and what is falsehood.
You cannot throw away everything just because it happens to be in hadith /other, as well...
If Qoran confirms ,then there is no issue as far as I am concerned.
You are right we should check ,but Qoran is the measure and the guide.
GOD bless you.
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Hello Invalid777,
If the interpretation of this verse was interpreted that badly, it leaves me with serious doubts of the entire translation of the Quran. I honestly cannot trust any mainstream translation any longer. Translation of verse 56 left me with a headache since salat cannot be a physical robotic ritual
That I have already made out and that is why I am committed to a Quran (re)interpretation and translation project. Earlier, about 1-2 years ago, I still worked with traditional Arabic linguistic knowledge including grammar, but in the beginning of this last summer I took the step towards starting over from scratch to thoroughly decipher Quran based on a much deeper analysis and I work with no preconception of what a word may mean so that even if a word has meant something the last 1000 years I still do not take it for granted but take definitions from ancient lexicons based on the context, even if their definitions have never been used in a mainstream translation. Furthermore I have unlearned what I had learned and learn the language much like a child would learn an unknown language by trial and error, and utilizing logic to deem what is plausible. That way I have figured out that the traditional grammar is so off as it can be.
Ancient lexicons do for most part contain the true definitions albeit among a myriad of other definitions falsely inserted into such collection of knowledge. Salawa for example has been said to mean prayer/contact, but it actually means "follow", and there are lexical examples which also give good help of how the word is used practically, in some of the ancient lexicons. My favorite is 'Taj Al-Aroos'; usually it contains the truest definitions whenever I conduct my research. Muslim scholars seem to never have bothered to even look in such lexicons. I am curious how they even arrived to the current mainstream interpretations.
You should however NOT lose faith in Quran, because while I have managed to falsify virtually all available interpretations, I have also run into a such intelligible discourse and scripture by the work I have been committed which is what the scripture really conveys behind the facade.
I always remember Rule #1 "GOD does not shy away from the truth." when reading the Quran in order to avoid mental gymnastics, something many people fail to recall when looking for answers in the Quran whether it's regarding how to perform salat, what salat is, when to perform, what is forbidden and what isn't etc. I earlier mentioned a scenario where you put a person whom never heard of hadith books or Muslims and gave him/her the Quran and dropped him/her off on an island. So I asked myself "how would this person perform salat?". I was left speechless. I could not perform salat in a physical way without the influence of hadith books because I was a former sunni.
A problem is even though "God does not shy away from the truth", it does not help if you cannot read what God made written.
Earlier, before I started this project, I always felt that Quran was very incoherent, jumping from topic to topic sporadically, but I did not react that much back then but I lied to myself and said it is because I do not understand how God thinks. My project unraveled that this is not correct, Quran can continue on the same topic for 40-50 verses while the sectarian interpretation has not managed to make out what the discourse really says but has made a very worldly "Allah" portrayal instead which has no connection to the truth.
Why I have managed to understand this and not anyone else is because I dared to challenge everything, removed all bias and did not take anything for granted, and kept the thought that "everything is possible nothing is impossible" and I realized the sectarian way of understanding Quran is extremely deluded and wrong. I am now sure that the ancient clerics and scholars who worked on it only aimed at fitting a religious doctrine into it rather than actually figuring out what it wished to say. I am also certain that Quran was never interpreted and understood in the first place. If it was, people would have realized the "mysterious" initials of 14 chapters are actually part of the linguistic use and should be included when beginning to read the chapters. If it was ever interpreted, the available understanding would not be so catastrophically off even if there could be minor errors.
And you are right, Quran does not reveal anything of how that salat "ritual" is performed. Poorly translated passages claim they have timing, but have scattered details about it all over the scripture. How coherent for a reader is that?
To claim that the Source Of All Knowledge/The Platform AKA GOD couldn't get a simple revelation right or shy away from the truth was silly.
Recalling Rule #2 "Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?", the Quran is a complete and fully detailed book.Quran is detailed, but that does not mean you cannot get information elsewhere. The sectarian interpretation spreads a lot of disinformation too, so Quran is relatively useless in its common understanding and may in fact be misleading due to that.
"The Platform" (Foundation-Giver) AKA Rabb is mentioned in Quran. It is in the word Rabb. My translations often render it as Sustainer in English, implying on His function as "sustaining the World and existence keeping it upheld". The Rabb/Platform/Sustainer is a complicated phenomenon because beyond our delusion we are actually within the same "sphere" and do not exist separately. Even though we perceive the World as having space, the real existence is much like a singularity, a lot of substance that takes virtually no space. Everything is a perfect illusion.
"Why salat, something that is so important, wasn't given enough explanation?"
Yes, obviously this is because salat as a ritualistic practice does not exist.
I thought to myself for a moment before recalling Rule #2. This can only mean salat isn't what we really think it is. It is not something you do"wudhu"(ie wash body parts) before performing salat or something you do 2,3 or 5 times a day as some Quran-only monotheist claim. Note, they're only able to claim such with mental gymnastics and forget Rule #1.
The contact with God should be constant and not sporadically throughout the day. If you need some extra concentration then you have not done your meditation properly. If you pray, you do it to remind yourself, because God knows everything you have on your mind without you proclaiming it. That does not mean you cannot go around looking like you speak to yourself because you like to have a monologue with God. I do speak out loud to God from time to time.
Nowadays I pray by thinking, more efficient and God is able to telepathically communicate with you. And it is worth knowing that God knows what you want before you have even opened your mouth.
They add together and twist a few verses, whose interpretation are influenced by hadith books and go on to make their illogical claims. They think God had to cut into pieces such an important verse regarding salat times and names and spread them around the Quran, ONLY for us to put the pieces together and find what salat is. This would of course break Rule #1 and the Quran being a guide(not a puzzle game).
Amen to that. You say the same as I wrote earlier about the feeling that Quran is very incoherent (in its traditional interpretation).
Muhammad was "illiterate" from religion and their practises. In other words, he was not influenced by such conjecture from religion and their books, similar to the scenario I mentioned earlier.Muslims claim he couldn't even spell his own name which is a laughable claim in their interpretation of Muhammad being so retarded that the revelation(Quran) that was given to him to warn others with and explain, was compiled after his death.
I still have to continue to work hard to figure out the real Muhammad.
Be safe
Amenuel
