:: Is Classic Arabic required to understand alQuraan? ::

good_logic

Peace MOF.

I do not remember me asking for any arguments?

I asked ,respectfully,if you could shake your head,then move on.

Forgive me, but it seems futile and nonsense to carry on the conversation about these two words

Allah = GOD and Rabb = Lord. Both mean the Creator for me.

Thank you anyway. I will pass.
GOD bless you.
Peace..

mmkhan

Peace MOF, bkanwar

Actually, for me, you are both making things far too difficult. The word "Allah" does not need studying or someone to know grammar or...

It is so simple The word " Allah" just means "GOD".

Now ,you can both shake your heads, then move on to the rest of Qoran ,especially the "deeds".

Happy works to both of you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salaamun bro,

I agree with good logic here.

Knowing what Allah is just gaining knowledge and I don't think that Allah is going to question us about this.
But practising what to do and not to do are very much important and we have to answer about this for sure.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Man_of_Faith

Hello good logic,

I asked ,respectfully,if you could shake your head,then move on.

Forgive me, but it seems futile and nonsense to carry on the conversation about these two words

Allah = GOD and Rabb = Lord. Both mean the Creator for me.

You are free to choose to reject, but I am afraid reject 'good logic'.

Be safe
Amenuel

hicham9

ALLH (), the qurnic tetragrammaton, is a singulare tantum.
In my book, it denotes The Divine (One).

Exclusive to The One, and always definite,
unlike ileh (&#1607, which has a pl. form (&#1607, and is always indefinite.

@bkanwar2, instead of "the one who's not a god/deity" ~ try the one who's not a thing/object.

bkanwar2

Peace MOF, bkanwar

Actually, for me, you are both making things far too difficult. The word "Allah" does not need studying or someone to know grammar or...

It is so simple The word " Allah" just means "GOD".

Now ,you can both shake your heads, then move on to the rest of Qoran ,especially the "deeds".

Happy works to both of you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

If the base is wrong one is never going to get deeds right. Spent sometime on understanding analysis of Allah. Ask questions that will be the deed in correct direction.

Regards,

JavaLatte

Peace MOF, bkanwar

Actually, for me, you are both making things far too difficult.

I agree.

We all know from inside how honest or dishonest and sincere we are.

I agree.

I think that... if I lied, I myself could notice/know it,

and if I lied about something, then I might need to lie more, in order to make people stay believe in what I said.

Peace.

bkanwar2

I agree.

I think that... if I lied, I myself could notice/know it,

and if I lied about something, then I might need to lie more, in order to make people stay believe in what I said.

Peace.

There is a difference between a lie and not knowing. However, the end result of both is giving untrue accounts about something. Hence, in Classic Arabic both are considered "Ka-Za-Ba". The difference is, a lie is intentional untrue account, whereas, an untrue account due ignorance, is unintentional.

Regards,

Man_of_Faith

I find my reasoning very simple, a mere linguistic feature and is supported by Arabic grammar, even the mainstream one actually.

It is obvious that is AL plus third person singular and from the same root.

Be safe
Amenuel

Taro_Hiroshi

Peace mmkhan and everybody,

Is classic Arabic really needed to understand alQuraan?

I think that Classical Arabic is important when it comes to understanding the Quran. Also, in a post in this thread, I mentioned that there are three criterias for understanding the Quran. But today I found a verse in the sacred/divine text, which suggests that being heedless of God's revelations (turning away from them) and doing wrong deeds can prevent a person from understanding the Quran. Therefore, the Quran suggests that there are four criterias for understanding it.

Here are the four criterias for understanding the Quran

Purity (5679).
Knowledge (37 and 2943).
Belief in the hereafter (1745-46).
Heedfulness/obedience and doing good/right deeds (1857).

In addition to the above-mentioned criterias, I think that open-mindedness and critical thinking is extremely important in terms of understanding the Quran. Personally, I try to have an open mind when I read/study the Quran. And I consider myself a critical thinker (but I believe that I have a far way to go). I believe that learning is a lifelong process. Therefore fore, I think that one learns as long as one lives. In my view, it's important to be humble and consider oneself a student, regardless of how much one gets. For example, Bruce Lee knew a lot about a lot of things. But even though he knew a lot about a lot of things, he didn't consider himself a master. Although Bruce Lee didn't consider himself a master, he seems to have mastered the art of being a student. There is a quote by Bruce Lee which goes like this

"I'm not a master. I'm a student-master, meaning that I have the knowledge of a master and the expertise of a master, but I'm still learning. So I'm a student-master. I don't believe in the word 'master'. I consider the master as such when they close the casket."

Hizbullah

Salaamun,

Is classic Arabic really needed to understand alQuraan?
That means every person on earth has to be an expert in order to be guided?
That means Allah made His deed so difficult for His creation?
Being an expert in foreign language is a very big task. What if anyone could not able to do so?

Answer to the main question is NO.

As per 2185 ...
alQuraan is the guidance for mankind which includes every individual, be that a scientist, a student, a business man, a shopkeeper or a rickshaw puller. alQuraan is a guidance for all.

How?
Every one has to learn Classical Arabic and be an Expert in it? Com'on!

I will show the most easiest way to be guided with the permission of my Sustainer, Allah, inshaAllah.

We need 16. That's all we actually needed.

3101
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...And whoever holds firmly to Allah has been GUIDED to .

That is all we need to do. We need to hold Allah firmly for everything and we are guided. Because He is the One Who guides His creation. AlQuraan, alRasool, alNabi are just tools to guide us towards Allah. While they are guiding us, we are not yet guided. But once we realized what they are guiding us to and holds Allah tightly, then we are guided.

If you think without alQuraan/alKitaab we cannot be guided. Then please understand that even to get the true meanings of the aayaat mentioned in alQuraan/alKitaab, we need to turn towards Allah. And not towards any man made dictionaries. You can clearly see many contradictions in mad made books 482.

In such case Allah had to send a dictionary along with alQuraan to understand it's true meaning. But this is not the case, because Allah use those same aayaat to guide people on different levels. An aayat gives a meaning to a layman and the same aayat gives another meaning to a knowledgeable and again it gives another understanding to experts and so on. And they all are on the correct path if they are sincere and honest from their hearts. This is how Allah guides them.

So, there cannot be any dictionary or so called Arabic grammar needed to be guided. Otherwise Allah would have send down a perfect dictionary along with alQuraan, so that people can be guided to .

Disclaimer This is my personal understanding, all readers are requested to seek Allah's help on the same before accepting or rejecting it.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Salam Bro,

First off, are you sure that the Quran was sent down ONLY in Arabic?

ALLAH says in the Quran 1404

And We did not send message of a messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them,

From the above verse it shows that A Messenger of a particular nation did convey the Quranic message in the language of his people so that he will make things clearer and easier for them. So that there will not be any two or three meaning but ONLY ONE of that PARTICULAR NATION that gets to the point.

Since we only found an Arabic Quran, as such, it is for the Arabs only and not for others, non-Arabs.

This is my understanding

Peace

huruf

This last thing bout being for Arabs is interesting, however it is the same as what the poster says also in the message. It is the same message. So indeed,if it is the same message it has also come for us all.

Only for the Arabs? Which Arabs? Those of the time in which it was revealed? Those of later? Those of our age?

I doubt it.

I think that all messages have or must have had injunctions for the particular environment in which it was revealed and then teachings which are always the same, and therefore valid for every one. So is the Qur'an, but there is not much effort in finding out what concerns us. Like the saying "if it fits, wear it", if it makes sense for us, then it is for us.

On the other hand, the Qur'an expresses well what is circumstantial and to what extent it is circumstantial and what is not circumstantial. So indeed it is for all, Arab or non Arab, just as any other scripture to anybody would apply to everybody if it is authentic and if it fits and we take what is not circumstantial and leave the circumstances bound injunctions for the circumstances it was meant.

The question with Qur'an is that we have certainty, as much as can be had, that it is authentic. Something that we can also ascertain with any other scriptures if we know that we have to observe them critically, just as we observed the Qur'an many of us who did not grow up with the Qur'an as acknowledged revelation, but may be even as an imposture. It ws the text itself of the Qur'an which revealed itelf to us.

With ANY scripture we can gain knowledge and inspiration if we maintain our critical criteria and are sincere and honest. Of course, if we lack sincerity we shouldn't even bother.

Salaam

Taro_Hiroshi

Peace everyone,

In my previous post in this thread, I was going to share a quote with you. But I forgot to share it with you. Therefore, I would like to share the quote with you in this post.

...I think it is important to use Classical Arabic dictionaries when trying to understand the meaning of a quranic word. But I recommend using several approaches when studying/translating quranic words.

If we want to understand the true/correct meaning of a word in the quran, then I think we have to approach the quranic word from several different angles. First we have to find all the verses in the quran where the quranic word we want to translate/study has been mentioned. Then we have to study the meaning of the quranic word in all the contexts where the quranic word has been used. The meaning of a quranic word should not contradict the message of the Quran. For example if a meaning of a quranic word is against freedom or against justice, then this meaning is most likely false. Because the message of the Quran is pro-freedom and pro-justice. We should also use grammar when trying to understand the meaning of the quranic word. For example we must figure out whether the quranic word is singular or plural. In addition to that, we should study the root of the quranic word. By studying the root of the quranic word, we will understand its basic meaning. This will make it easy for us to find each meaning that is derived from the root of this word. And this method can help us to find the true/correct meaning of each quranic word.

mmkhan

Peace mmkhan and everybody,

I think that Classical Arabic is important when it comes to understanding the Quran. Also, in a post in this thread, I mentioned that there are three criterias for understanding the Quran. But today I found a verse in the sacred/divine text, which suggests that being heedless of God's revelations (turning away from them) and doing wrong deeds can prevent a person from understanding the Quran. Therefore, the Quran suggests that there are four criterias for understanding it.

Here are the four criterias for understanding the Quran

Purity (5679).
Knowledge (37 and 2943).
Belief in the hereafter (1745-46).
Heedfulness/obedience and doing good/right deeds (1857).

In addition to the above-mentioned criterias, I think that open-mindedness and critical thinking is extremely important in terms of understanding the Quran. Personally, I try to have an open mind when I read/study the Quran. And I consider myself a critical thinker (but I believe that I have a far way to go). I believe that learning is a lifelong process. Therefore fore, I think that one learns as long as one lives. In my view, it's important to be humble and consider oneself a student, regardless of how much one gets. For example, Bruce Lee knew a lot about a lot of things. But even though he knew a lot about a lot of things, he didn't consider himself a master. Although Bruce Lee didn't consider himself a master, he seems to have mastered the art of being a student. There is a quote by Bruce Lee which goes like this

"I'm not a master. I'm a student-master, meaning that I have the knowledge of a master and the expertise of a master, but I'm still learning. So I'm a student-master. I don't believe in the word 'master'. I consider the master as such when they close the casket."

Peace bro,

I agree.

Thanks for sharing those aayaat which clearly says that knowledge of Arabic language is not mandatory but there are many more things which is required to understand the text of alQuraan which can be done by any individual on earth.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

mmkhan

Salam Bro,

First off, are you sure that the Quran was sent down ONLY in Arabic?

ALLAH says in the Quran 1404

And We did not send message of a messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them,

From the above verse it shows that A Messenger of a particular nation did convey the Quranic message in the language of his people so that he will make things clearer and easier for them. So that there will not be any two or three meaning but ONLY ONE of that PARTICULAR NATION that gets to the point.

Since we only found an Arabic Quran, as such, it is for the Arabs only and not for others, non-Arabs.

This is my understanding

Peace

Peace bro,

Thanks for your reply.
Sorry, I don't agree with the translation, it is wrong.

Yes alQuraan was sent down only in Arabic.

177

And We did not send any messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

The messenger is sent in the language of his people and not the message.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

Taro_Hiroshi

There were a few errors in my previous post in this thread. Therefore I would like to fix those errors.

In addition to the above-mentioned criterias, I think that open-mindedness and critical thinking is extremely important in terms of understanding the Quran. Personally, I try to have an open mind when I read/study the Quran. And I consider myself a critical thinker (but I believe that I have a far way to go). Also, I believe that learning is a lifelong process. Therefore, I think that one learns as long as one lives. In my view, it's important to be humble and consider oneself a student, regardless of how much knowledge one gets. For example, Bruce Lee knew a lot about a lot of things. But even though he knew a lot about a lot of things, he didn't consider himself a master. Although Bruce Lee didn't consider himself a master, he seems to have mastered the art of being a student. There is a quote by Bruce Lee which goes like this

"I'm not a master. I'm a student-master, meaning that I have the knowledge of a master and the expertise of a master, but I'm still learning. So I'm a student-master. I don't believe in the word 'master'. I consider the master as such when they close the casket."

I have removed the word fore and added the word knowledge to a paragraph in my previous post in this thread.

Hizbullah

Peace bro

Thanks for your reply.

You are most welcome

Sorry, I don't agree with the translation, it is wrong.

Sorry but you are wrong because you have completely overlooked the word "ARSALNA" as such, you have read the verse out of context.
The word not only means send but also if you read it in context, it means, "to keep up a correspondence / message, to exchange message / letters, to send to one another message / letters". Considering the fact that the verse itself mentioned about the language of the messenger and his people and to make things clear to his people, how shall the messenger convey the message in a language where his people could not be able to comprehend?

Yes alQuraan was sent down only in Arabic.

From the verse which I quoted, i believe the Quran was not only sent down in Arabic but also in other languages,

The messenger is sent in the language of his people and not the message.

Sorry, but i do not see any logic...

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr insha ALLAH
Peace bro

Hizbullah

Salam

One should at least read the Quran in his or her own language.

Precisely, For example;there are several places in Vedas where GOD is described as only ONE who cannot be imagined, written in Sanskrit.

?Verily HE is one, Single, indivisible, supreme reality. ?

Atharva Veda 13/4/20

?HE is the sole sovereign of the universe. ?

Rig Veda 6/36/4

He is one, unparalleled, Through His wondrous, mighty And formidable laws and deeds.

Rig Veda 8/1/27

?There is only One Who ought to be adored By the people. ?

Atharva Veda 2/2/1

Are the verses comes from the Quran written in Sanskrit?

Salam

mmkhan

Peace bro

You are most welcome

Sorry but you are wrong because you have completely overlooked the word "ARSALNA" as such, you have read the verse out of context.
The word not only means send but also if you read it in context, it means, "to keep up a correspondence / message, to exchange message / letters, to send to one another message / letters". Considering the fact that the verse itself mentioned about the language of the messenger and his people and to make things clear to his people, how shall the messenger convey the message in a language where his people could not be able to comprehend?

From the verse which I quoted, i believe the Quran was not only sent down in Arabic but also in other languages,

Sorry, but i do not see any logic...

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr insha ALLAH
Peace bro

Salaamun bro,

These are the few places where the word ARSALNA is used

06006
07133
07162

Which simply says that the word ARSALNA = WE SENT. You cannot insert message in these aayaat bro.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan