THE TEMPLE OF GOD IN THE QURAN
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can take place at a shelter wherein this criteria is met
396 The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakk?a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.
397 In it are clear signs the station of Abraham. And whoever entersit will be secure. And God is owed from the people to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.
2226 And We have appointed to Abraham the location of the Sanctuary ?Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My Sanctuary for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the kneeling, the prostrating.?What is clear to me is that Hajj shall be to the, "the station of Abraham" and bring of the fruits that Allah has provided us with, so that the petition of Abraham to his lord is fulfilled. the bringing of offerings was the same to the children of Israel when they visited the temple established for them during their time. the ways of God never change. I do not see any of the nonsense you talk about.
As long as you people belong to a sect, the Quran is a book closed to you, For you have broken your covenant to Allah. So, who are you to give meaning to the words of the Holly book. Furthermore, The meanings you give make sense in one verse, but create huge contradictions in the Quran as a whole, if you but knew it.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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HJJ (of/at) al baytwrkmmm's logic
HJJ to the station of AbrahamNot only have you based your understanding on a disputed translation of maqam Abraham, but also on something Quran does not even say, and you describe this as "clear".
Sometimes there is no helping people.
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I believe that he Hajj is made to the Ka'bah or Temple of God in Makka/Bakka as well.
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Peace wakas
Not only have you based your understanding on a disputed translation of maqam Abraham, but also on something Quran does not even say, and you describe this as "clear".
Station/house/standing place/box/temple/sanctuary/etc. of Abraham, maqam ibrahym. whoever enters it waman dakhalahu. to enter a place it has to have an inside and an outside, so it is a physical building/place.
I know it is very disputed between you the sectarians, I read more than seven translations. I listen to everything that is being said and follow the best of it.
(3917) ...Give, then, this glad tiding to My servants (391 who listen to all that is said, and follow
the best of it it is they whom God has graced with His guidance, and it is they who are endowed
with insight!it is clear to me. however, that does not mean that you are able to see what I see. God bestows His grace upon whomever He wills of His humble servants. Leave your arrogance aside and submit to Allah, that He may guide you to the right path, away from the sects, for by belonging to one you are at the edge of a pit of fire.
What do you have against me people?, that I invite you to submit in obedience to the Most Merciful. Then, we shall wait for Allah to judge between us.
I do not base my understanding in one verse, as you people of the sects do, in order to please my desires, and I try to obey God's commands even if I dislike it. Allah is my teacher and my Guide and only in Him I have put my trust. I take the Quran as a whole, and whatever creates contradictions; then, it is not from my Lord. All sects, old and new, are creating huge contradictions in the Quran, if you but knew it. And that is because Allah puts a veil in the eyes of those rebellious folk who break their covenant, so that they cannot see, and takes away their reason, so that they do not understand. Therefore, listen or fail to listen, for it is not on me to open the eyes and ears that Allah has closed.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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And for the inovators that say that Hajj is debate
Muhammad Assad 2197 The pilgrimage shall take place in the months appointed for it. And whoever undertakes the pilgrimage in those shall, while on pilgrimage, abstain from lewd speech, from all wicked conduct, and from quarrelling...
Monotheist translation 2197 The Pilgrimage months are made known. So whoever decidesto perform the Pilgrimage therein, then there shall be no sexual approach, nor wickedness, nor baseless argument in the Pilgrimage...
Sahid international 197. ?ajj is well-known months, so whoever has made Hajj obligatory upon himself therein , there is no sexual relations and no disobedience and no disputing during Hajj...May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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Wrkmmn,
I used to bring up this same verse years ago to people who made the hajj=debate claim. They ignored this clear Quran verse that negates their claims in favor of their own desires and tastes.
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And for the inovators that say that Hajj is debate
Muhammad Assad 2197 The pilgrimage shall take place in the months appointed for it. And whoever undertakes the pilgrimage in those shall, while on pilgrimage, abstain from lewd speech, from all wicked conduct, and from quarrelling...
Monotheist translation 2197 The Pilgrimage months are made known. So whoever decidesto perform the Pilgrimage therein, then there shall be no sexual approach, nor wickedness, nor baseless argument in the Pilgrimage...
Sahid international 197. ?ajj is well-known months, so whoever has made Hajj obligatory upon himself therein , there is no sexual relations and no disobedience and no disputing during Hajj...May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
Innovators? Please provide step-by-step guides from the complete and detailed book(Quran) on how to perform the Hajj ritual WITHOUT performing mental gymnastics. The Verses you quoted DO NOT indicate a physical Hajj ritual. Does The Reading(Quran) tell you to walk around a stone cube idol 7 times, run between two rock outcropping deities 7 times, kiss a black stone to get sins wiped and drink holy zamzam water?
For such a detailed and complete guide, none of these pagan rituals are mentioned. The only innovators is the cult known as Islam.
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peace wrkmmm,
Let's stick to the facts, rather than your boring claims of whom God has guided etc...
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dakhalahu. to enter a place it has to have an inside and an outside, so it is a physical building/place.
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And you see the people entering deen of God in crowdsQuestion Is deen a physical building/place? Yes/No.
You claim "maqam" means "Station/house/standing place/box/temple/sanctuary/etc" but it can also mean figuratively standing, e.g. status, as proven by Quran multiple times. One simply needs to check its other usage, e.g.
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...it may be that your Lord will raise you (to) a maqam/status/standing praiseworthy1973
...which of the two groups is better/best in maqam/status/standing...Question Does "maqam" always mean a physical place? Yes/No.
You claim "maqam Abraham" is the thing entered, yet according to the Arabic it's "al bayt". If you bothered to read the article you might have noticed this
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it is clear to me. however, that does not mean that you are able to see what I see.
Please reply to the above, and we shall find out what you can or cannot see.
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Most of this is covered in the term 3umrah.
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Innovators? Please provide step-by-step guides from the complete and detailed book(Quran) on how to perform the Hajj ritual WITHOUT performing mental gymnastics. The Verses you quoted DO NOT indicate a physical Hajj ritual. Does The Reading(Quran) tell you to walk around a stone cube idol 7 times, run between two rock outcropping deities 7 times, kiss a black stone to get sins wiped and drink holy zamzam water?
mental gymnastics because your mind is not willing to accept the truth. Read your Quran, Maybe Allah will show you what from those innovations you speak of is truth and what is lies. Most of it is false, but not all.
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Words in all languages have many meanings depending in the context they are being spoken, and the Arabic is not exception. Words are also used as metaphors and similes where words get a special meaning that it is attached to the story being narrated, as in many verses in the Quran.
You claim "maqam" means "Station/house/standing place/box/temple/sanctuary/
I did not claim it means that. what I was trying to say was that whatever translation you give, to me is clear what it is.
I never claimed that maqam only means physical. Maqam mean many things, but maqam Abraham in that particular verse, is a place, in a desert valley, surrounded by people. Therefore, in this case, it is physical.
Arabic dictionaries give many related meanings to this words, but you take the only exception to the rule, even though it creates contradictions in the Quran's message. but you do not know this, because the word is not in your heart. Shaitan inspires you, but shaitan is a liar.
396 The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakk?a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.
397 In it are clear signs the station of Abraham. And whoever entersit will be secure. And God is owed from the people to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds.
even the way you put it, I still see that "maqam abraham" is a synonym of "The first Sanctuary established for the people." I do not understand why you see it as a different thing.synonym= A word or expression that serves as a figurative or symbolic substitute for another
Please reply to the above, and we shall find out what you can or cannot see.
I can see clearly what you mean, glory be to God that opened my eyes, but that does not mean that I accept it, for it contradicts God's message.
The innovators are making a big effort to twist the word of God in order to make it all spiritual, such as Paul's Christianity, then they will claim that it is faith that matters and not actions, at least their twisted meaning of faith.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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http//www.quranaloneislam.net/hajj-and-umrah-3
http//www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=653
This is the site that I like the most
http//www.detailedquran.com/quran_data/Hajj%20in%20the%20Quran.htm
But Quranists have not realized that although the sacred months are 4, the months of pilgrimage are 3.
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wrkmm,
I asked you 3 questions.
Question Is deen a physical building/place? Yes/No.
You admitted words can have different meanings depending upon context. Thus, indirectly admitting your simplistic reasoning i.e. the verse used enter/dakhala so it clearly means physical place, was proven weak as per Quran.
You admitted "maqam" can mean many things and IN YOUR OPINION it means a physical place in that verse. Note how you provided no other Quranic evidence of this whatsoever.
You failed to answer.
And you result to insult, with a baseless claim that "shaitan" inspires me. I generally find that in discussion if someone has no sound argument they resort to fallacious argument, e.g. insult/ad hominen. Thank you for letting readers see your character.
I recommend reading that article I linked to.
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You thank me, but I thank God that He is showing our true faces. I hope you have enjoyed your revenge, and that blocking my account, and banning me from the forum for all this time, has satisfied your ego. You did not have to flex your muscle to show your power here, I knew from the beginning that you are of the leadership of free-minds. You people had threatened me of this in the past. You disliked that I said that Satan inspires in the unbelievers heart, but if somebody is not being guided by Allah, then who is guiding him/her. The truth is the truth, not mater who hates it.
The answer is clear; we can not be both in the right path. One of us is selling a lie, and one of us is giving the truth as it was given to him.
494O you who believe! when you go forth in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace You are not a believer.
Believers are not arrogant; come in truth and The-truth in them; do not fear censorship; bear with patience whatever the ignorant throw at them; do not seeks the ignorant-ones(like= E deep junk sell); you shall certainly recognize them for the word they speak.The fact that you belong to a sect is more than enough evidence against you.
Matthew 73"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
There is no point in continuing this discussion with you, for maybe those buying rotten fruit from the sects will listen, but you are of the sellers, you will not listen; unless Allah wills it. Therefore, peace woman.
279 Woe, then, unto those who write down, with their own hands, divine writ, and then say. "This is from God," in order to acquire a trifling gain thereby; woe, then, unto them for what their hands have written, and woe unto them for all that they may have gained!May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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Translating the Qura?n should not be taken lightly, but it shall be taken with the greatest fear, for there is a great punishment for those who invent lies about Allah. Not that it is an easy task, except if God wills it, because those who claim to obey the Quran have become very perverted people, and have manipulated the words for so long, that now it seems that nobody knows the real meaning of many words. Also, the tense in the interpretations/translations is very corrupted. Translators, even in word by word Qurans, seem to force the already established interpretations of verses into the translation. Furthermore, it is as if every body is interpreting at will, as if the Arabic had no rules as a language. And many, instead of following the rules, they base their interpretations in ancient interpretations, which is outrageous.
lilnas qyama al-haram al-bayt al-ka?bah Allah ja?al ---
... for-*-men straight/upright the-forbidden the-house the-Ka?bah the-God made 597min w-atkhidwa wa-amna lilnas mathabah al-bayt ja?alna wain ----
of so-you-shall-take and-safety for-*-men gathering-place/reward the-house we-have-made and-lo! 2125wa-isma?yl ibrahym aly wa?ahidna musaly ibrahym maqam
and-Isma?yl Abrahym on and-we-covenanted prayerplace Abrahym stationwa-al-ruk?u wa-al-?akifyn lil-taifyn bayty tahara an
and-the-bow-down and-the-devotees for-the- circumambulating-ones my-house purify thatal-sujwd
the-prostrationThe arabic text copied in the wrong order here. I hope you understand it.
May God have mercy on me if my translation has errors.
maqam translates in the quran in this form of the root and its closest as ?position,station, standing?.I interpret this verse in to ways, and I accept both when I read the verse
You shall take the place/station/position/standing of Abraham in place of prayer 1 believers shall take the house/kabah as the one temple for the one God, just as the Israelites had the one temple in Jerusalem. 2 Believers shall take the position of Abraham in the prayerplace; in status /standing, this meaning that in a way they are agreeing to same covenant and responsibilities that Abraham agreed.Interpretation by Muhamad Asad and more verses
2125 AND LO! We made the Temple a goal to which people might repair again and again, and a sanctuary take then, the place whereon Abraham once stood as your place of prayer." And thus did We command Abraham and Ishmael "Purify My Temple for those who will walk around it, and those who will abide near it in meditation, and those who will bow down and prostrate themselves."
2126 And, lo, Abraham prayed "O my Sustainer! Make this a land secure, and grant its people fruitful sustenance - such of them as believe in God and the Last Day." answered "And whoever shall deny the truth, him will I let enjoy himself for a short while - but in the end I shall drive him to suffering through fire and how vile a journey's end!"
2127 And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the Temple, "O our Sustainer! Accept Thou this from us for, verily, Thou alone art all-hearing, all-knowing!
2128 "O our Sustainer! Make us surrender ourselves unto Thee, and make out of our offspring a
community that shall surrender itself unto Thee, and show us our ways of worship, and accept
our repentance for, verily, Thou alone art the Acceptor of Repentance, the Dispenser of Grace!
2226 For, when we assigned unto Abraham the site of this Temple...
2791 SAY, "I have been bidden to worship the Sustainer of this City - Him who has made it sacred, and unto whom all things belong; and I have been bidden to be of those who surrender themselves to Him, (2792) and to convey this Qur'an ." Whoever, therefore, chooses to follow the right path, follows it but for his own good; and if any wills to go astray, say "I am only a warner!"May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
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wrkmmm - Salaam. You made a number of assertions in your original post that I didn't understand. The location of the Temple is an important subject for me, so I'd be grateful if you could help me understand your reasoning.
You said that the "lands of Israel are lands that flow milk and honey, not infertile like the ones around the Sacred Temple" as evidence that the temple must not be in Jerusalem. The verse you quoted says "I have settled some of my offspring in a valley in which there is no arable land, close to Thy sanctified Temple". I see your point, but you can not be certain that every valley near to the Temple Mount was arable. Some may have been rocky or prone to flooding or have contained too much clay. There's lots of reasons why a plot might not be arable. Your logic seems far too simplistic here.
Your second point was that "there is no evidence that a people called Quraysh had existed in a place other than Makah". As far as I know, there is not a shred of evidence (beyond the hadith) that a people called Quraysh existed at Makkah either. And besides, a lack of proof that something is true does not prove that it isn't.
You then assert that the "infidels that expelled the believers had power over the Sacred House, and worshiped in it", which "means that the valley of Makah and Bakah, were either very close, or they both are the same place". I don't see how that is logical at all.
You then state quite rudely that the "ignorant argue that the Sacred House is not the Kabah in Makah/Bakah, thus, saying that even prophet Muhamad made pilgrimage during his whole life to the wrong place. How deluded is their mind". You failed to offer your evidence that Mohammed ever made pilgrimage to Arabia.
I have four questions for you, but you would only need to provide a compelling answer to any one of the four to convince me that you are correct about the location of the Temple. Could you answer one of these four questions convincingly please?
What proves that every valley in Jerusalem was arable?
What proves that the Quraysh lived in Arabia?
How does the fact that the infidel controlled the Temple prove that Makkah and Bacca are near to each other?
What evidence do you have that Mohammed made pilgrimage to Arabia specifically?Thanks.
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I was banned for a month now. May God humble down this people, and then we will be brothers in Islam.God loves those who are 554? humble towards the believers, proud towards all who deny the truth who strive hard in God's cause, and do not fear to be censured by anyone who might censure them such is God's favour, which He grants unto whom He wills. And God is infinite, all-knowing.
1784 Say "Everyone acts in a manner peculiar to himself - and your Sustainer is fully aware as to who has chosen the best path."
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All your answers are in the verses of Quran. Reread the original post and the additional posted verses, because you did not see anything, and it is not I who is putting a veil over your eyes. Focus in the Quran verses not in my words. Do not look for the truth in my words, that will be associating (shirk); look for it in the verses of Quran. What is there and in the additional posted verses is all that has been shown to me from the Quran regarding the temple?s location by my lord, and that is enough for me. Read the verses from your Quran, at night when there is less distraction, as God advises, and after praying to your lord to show you the truth, and wait, and be patient. If God wills, HE will give you what you want, if you are truthful.
4144?Say "Unto all who have attained to faith, this is a guidance and a source of health; but as for those who will not believe in their ears is deafness, and so it remains obscure to them they are , the while it only adds to the ruin of evildoers.
My posts are not to make the blind see; they are just an invitation to read Quran. Then, God will open the book to whomever He wills of His humble slaves, and show them the truth. And, as for those that the Quran does not suffice you/meets your requirements, ask your Lord to came and point the location of the temple to you, and if He does, please share it with me.
The temple is an essential part of the Covenant of obedience for those who truly believe; As It was for the Children of Israel their temple. The one that after years of moving around in the lands of Israel, ended up being built of stone in Jerusalem, then demolished, then rebuilt, and then destroyed again and its foundation given to another people. The word fulfilled, and the temple was taken from them until they say; blessed be the one that comes in the name of the lord, which includes P. Mohamed. Therefore, if the Jews were to obey the word of God, then they will have a temple. However, it will be the House chosen by The Wise, God, for this generation. Because, the location of the temple is whatever God ordains it to be, and He can change it at will. Therefore, for those who lost it, you should hurry in finding it, because you are at fault in many of what you are commanded.
Read your Quran, Torah, Bible, and Gospel, God will show you the light among the darkness of man corruption. I am not responsible for you.
May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
