THE TRUE QURANIC SHAHADA
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Zulf,
The original sin version does not add up. We are all born in very different conditions and it would be very unfair that some people are born in poverty, starvation and suffering while some are not if there is just one original same sin in each case. It does not help to claim it has to do with individual testing because it is immensely unfair to expose certain people to great pain while some are not.
I personally find that our spirits grow with evolution and we have an ultimate goal of finding a way out and that is by developing the Spirit so much that it exceeds this Word. We grow under delusion so to say. The World itself is the test and whether we realize we are better than it or succumb to it because we did not use logic and reason to contemplate.
I do see no problem with that humans have evolved throughout history because it is okay with my "theory" compared to sectarian religion. The Spirit lasts while the Body goes in cycles. Either the Spirit develops or it vanishes in a World that was designed to corrupt. Troublemakers in the World are generally said decayed Spirits that are not much more than the animals they are in.
In the Biblical Gospels Jesus is seen healing a blind person while saying "You are forgiven". Why is he saying that? It is as if his blindness is a consequence of something and he says that for a person born blind. There are many hints to confirm the concept of reincarnation in the Gospel testimonies.
I find many logical problems with the typical sectarian doctrine of one death and one resurrection either into Heaven or Hell. Even the traditional interpretation of Hell does not make sense. It gives God the desire of revenge and it has no use as it does not lead into anything useful. It is making God primitive.
Be safe
AmenuelMostly agree.. heaven and hell doesn't make sense..
Instead of seeing living on this earth as a "test" (where the test result are already known in the first place by the tester)
My view now is more towards living on this earth as a "journey" for the 'spirit' / 'consciousness'...Human made mistake.. and through mistake they learn..
That's also the basic fundamental of scientific method.. create hypothesis.. test it until it failed and the hypothesis proven to be incorrect. Learn from the failure and create new (and better) hypothesis.. and test it again.. it failed.. learn from it and create better hypothesis.. and so on..
A soul / spirit might experience multiple lives... and not necessarily following the linear path of time.. (From past to present) and / or not necessarily on this earth or on this universe. Through each live the soul shall learn from their mistake.
This universe / this reality is merely a 'virtual world' (which can be constructed and destroyed and modified and copied by it's creator with ease) as easy as you press Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V on the computer..
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Hello Jafar,
I agree with your thinking and you are right it is not just a sterile test. However it is yet a "testing ground" or "development ground". I am not exactly sure which term to use. Here we develop our Spirit under delusion, i.e. we were inserted into a Body and from there choose whether to develop that Spirit or stick to the primitive call and enjoy being the Beast with the consequence being an undeveloped Spirit. Being totally absorbed in this World is spiritually detrimental.
There could be a reason that one of the first "commandments" encourage contemplation frequently (Sabbath). Contemplating often helps one find a deeper meaning rather than just go head on in life.
There are many traps in this life; things which occupy our mind more than to actually do what is important with religion being one of them often with their many braindead rituals and rites which accomplishment in an exact manner may preoccupy the mind. Danger in religion is also all the deceptive material available and which causes inflexibility.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Mostly agree.. heaven and hell doesn't make sense..
Instead of seeing living on this earth as a "test" (where the test result are already known in the first place by the tester)
My view now is more towards living on this earth as a "journey" for the 'spirit' / 'consciousness'...Human made mistake.. and through mistake they learn..
That's also the basic fundamental of scientific method.. create hypothesis.. test it until it failed and the hypothesis proven to be incorrect. Learn from the failure and create new (and better) hypothesis.. and test it again.. it failed.. learn from it and create better hypothesis.. and so on..
A soul / spirit might experience multiple lives... and not necessarily following the linear path of time.. (From past to present) and / or not necessarily on this earth or on this universe. Through each live the soul shall learn from their mistake.
This universe / this reality is merely a 'virtual world' (which can be constructed and destroyed and modified and copied by it's creator with ease) as easy as you press Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V on the computer..
Agree
Hello Jafar,
I agree with your thinking and you are right it is not just a sterile test. However it is yet a "testing ground" or "development ground". I am not exactly sure which term to use. Here we develop our Spirit under delusion, i.e. we were inserted into a Body and from there choose whether to develop that Spirit or stick to the primitive call and enjoy being the Beast with the consequence being an undeveloped Spirit. Being totally absorbed in this World is spiritually detrimental.
There could be a reason that one of the first "commandments" encourage contemplation frequently (Sabbath). Contemplating often helps one find a deeper meaning rather than just go head on in life.
There are many traps in this life; things which occupy our mind more than to actually do what is important with religion being one of them often with their many braindead rituals and rites which accomplishment in an exact manner may preoccupy the mind. Danger in religion is also all the deceptive material available and which causes inflexibility.
Be safe
AmenuelAgree.
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How does heaven and Hell not make sense?
For holding onto God during your trial and keeping and growing your souls through faith and fortitude in turmoil, Allah rewards you after this life by drawing you near to his presence and his care. This is Paradise. For acting treacherously, selflessly and like a cretin, turning your back on God and giving into your whims and desires as reactions to God's trials and during your turmoils God distances you from himself once and for all, which is Hell. Remember, God is the True and the True. How can you turn your back on the True and THE True one and be immune to the permanent consequences of this. This life of ours now is the testing ground and a time of redemption for our previous mistake. We are being tried by fire. We must remain steadfast and grow as Allah would have us grow.
This life provides us with miniscule examples of heaven and hell, perfection and imperfection as examples of what is to come. Traitors shall suffer the consequences of their treachery. God is the Truth and he is the True. The loyal shall revel in the blissful consequences of their loyalty. And what is the fact of it all? The Quran tells us that if the traitors (kuffar) were given a chance again they would fall back into the same treachery. So God will NOT punish anyone unless they themselves exhaust their capability for redemption and will not see the light no matter what is done for them. They are people who are past hope. Allah knows it and he will allow them to feel the true sting of the dark path that they willingly chose when they close the door on the light.
Salaam,
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I meant to say "selfishly", "the Truth and the True" and 'closed the door.'