Reason and belief
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Dear Mr. HP_TECH,Peace,
In reply to a member on this forum,(let me cal him "A"
you said ,"read the
book first for his guidance, and then give your opinion"Read the Book seeking His guidance first then make your opinions
Would you start giving your opinions about a Book when you haven't finished it? If so, I repeat the same to you as well.
It is a perfectly sound advice.OK,are you suggesting that "A" has never read the book?Please do reply so that small fries like me may understand you and islam.
Are you kidding me? Read the entire Original Post again. I have never conveyed anyone is a small fry
my reasoning does not succeed in reconciling, on the one hand, the concept of God/Allah being the all-knowing predeterminer of good and evil alike, and, on the other hand, free will, which, we are told, is to determine for a person a fate either of heaven or hell. How, I must ask, can a person be held responsible for what was predetermined by his Maker? How can a loving God predetermine eternal hellfire for his creation, a human being? If I believe in a loving God, which must be the foundation of any religious concepts I adopt, then I cannot believe there is a hell. This is what reason, presumably endowed by God, tells me!
Can someone who is on guidance from His Lord by reading the Quran, deny Hell? That is in fact opposite The rejecters destined for Hell deny it and the meeting with Allah.
Can someone who has read the entire Book earnestly have any doubts about Allah and be guided?The OP also asked if mystery and mysticism have a place in Islam. Does someone who asks such a question have firm grasp of what is in the Quran?
Does someone who is firm on Quran, get told by a woman is interested in marrying that she is a Quranist and then get suckered into seeking help from traditionalists and sectarians at the local mosque?
Do not ask foolish questions marifhaq.
Running to the defense of the doubter, instead of the one firm on faith, who directs to Allah and His Book?
Next you wrote that read the Book for guidance,well why you needed to say so,every body is doing it so,but there is a point of insult to fellow "A" that he has not read the book hence has no guidance from Allah.
It is conveyed in the OP in my opinion a desire to assimilate with Muslim culture to acquire marriage relationship, not the desire to truly understand Islam as in the Quran.
That is why he went to a local mosque. Instead of seeking Allah through the Reading.
Can someone who is on guidance from His Lord by reading the Quran, deny Hell? That is in fact opposite The rejecters destined for Hell deny it and the meeting with Allah.
Can someone who has read the entire Book earnestly have any doubts about Allah and be guided?Well if you are correct then I am sure ,that you have read the Book and have received the guidance from Allah..!!
I follow the guidance of Allah in His Book! Not He is unkind to me in my supplication to Him!
Well if so,would you please like to share with us that how or what guidance you received,or who guided you,did u receive some information in dream,or heard a voice out of no where,or did u received a piece of paperwith some guidance written on it,or u just got inspired by Allah..???
Go back behind you and seek light!
you said about "A" that perhaps he not reading the book..!! well but how do you determine this??how do you dteremine that which member is guided or not.?
By everything he conveyed in his post. Deductive reasoning. Give it another read and suppress your anger.
you said "A" should not give his opinion if he has not read the book and received guidance , well if so dont u know that many members of this forum are not muslims,even if muslims ,hve not read the book fully,even if read the book have not understood it fully ,like u have, and might not have received guidance ,like u have,.
4035 Those who dispute concerning the Signs of Allah without any authority having come to them, it is greatly hateful in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who believe. Thus Allah sets a seal over the heart of every arrogant, tyrant.?
U have made a fun of "A" (I am trying to hide his name from being dishonored /ashamed)
No indeed you were mocking me
Well if you are correct then I am sure ,that you have read the Book and have received the guidance from Allah..!! Well if so,would you please like to share with us that how or what guidance you received,or who guided you,did u receive some information in dream,or heard a voice out of no where,or did u received a piece of paperwith some guidance written on it,or u just got inspired by Allah..???
Evil is what your faith calls you to if you are a believer
And of who do you come in defense of, the firm believer or the doubter?
Was your help asked for?
Did the OP not ask for advice and then brushed off my sincerest advice when it did not suit him?
Who are you here to support, the firm believer or the one who is unsure of Allah and seeks to conform to gain a mere marital relationship?
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HP_TECH, You dodged his questions for your rant about denying Hell while he asked sound questions you did not answer wisely.
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HP_TECH, You dodged his questions for your rant about denying Hell while he asked sound questions you did not answer wisely.
Exactly what I said you come up with two liners, because you are angry about my response to you in another posts. You never answered any of my questions there. You rather dodged all my questions. Go and answer them, then tell me which questions I have dodged if you are truthful.
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Hell is not eternal, neither is Paradise, only God is eternal.
And all that has come from God will return to God. The Qur'an plenty of times states that our destiny is God. There i no eternity for u either in heaven or hell we will end up in God.
What is bet for us is to fall in love with God, so that if we suffer we suffer with satisfaction. Adn that we know the delight of total love.
Predestination is a toy idea.
We may think of that because we are bound by time. We are completely unable even to imagine timelessness.
So whe we get into those discussions we are handling elements of which we have no knowledge and on which we have no power.
There is the aya where we are told to construe de best meaning out of what we read in the Qur'an.
What is the best meaning we can get of justice, of the jahannam, of paradise of etrnity.
Look at the dogs, they may have no intellect but they have world of trust. You may go for a long time, they alway trust you will be back. they may be naughty but they never doubt you or stand up against you. They are happy even in very tough and trying circumstances if thyknow you acknowledge as belonging to you. They already have their share of paradise. Are they wrong?
God can make universes not only cese to exist but to not have existed. What is this worry as beforehand and after. That is us not God. Whatever answer we come up with is th answer of the ignorant. We are talking of magnitudes that we cannot grasp not conceive.
God is our master and whateve He does is what it should be.
Salaam