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Why does God say We in some places the Quran ?

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    HP_TECH
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    Illogical. And vanity, completely primitive.

    I disagree with your statement. Allah is the Owner of Majesty, Honor and Glory and it does not denote vanity, but Exaltedness and Absolute Purity and Nobility and Regard.
    Pluralis Majestasis and Pluralis Excellentiae are vanity when human beings like popes and monarchs use them to imitate The Most Gracious, not when Our Lord uses them. They are honorifics and to Allah belongs The Honor ALL.

    Read these following ayaats in context karim denotes nobility, regard

    1231
    Falamma samiAAat bimakrihinna arsalat ilayhinna waaAAtadat lahunna muttakaan waatat kulla wahidatin minhunna sikkeenan waqalati okhruj AAalayhinna falamma raaynahu akbarnahu waqattaAAna aydiyahunna waqulna hasha lillahi ma hatha basharan in hatha illa malakun kareemun
    So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and she prepared for them a banquet and she gave each one of them a knife and she said, "Come out before them." Then when they saw they greatly admired him, and cut their hands, they said, "Forbid Allah, not (is) this a man not (is) this but an angel noble."

    23116
    FataAAala Allahu almaliku alhaqqu la ilaha illa huwa rabbu alAAarshi alkareemi
    So exalted is Allah, the King, the Truth. (There is) no god except Him, (the) Lord (of) the Throne Honorable.

    Kaf-Ra-Miim = To be productive, generous, precious, valuable, honourable, noble, All-Generous, Most Generous

    3510
    Man kana yureedu alAAizzata falillahi alAAizzatu jameeAAan ilayhi yasAAadu alkalimu alttayyibu waalAAamalu alssalihu yarfaAAuhu waallatheena yamkuroona alssayyi-ati lahum AAathabun shadeedun wamakru ola-ika huwa yabooru
    Whoever desires the honor, then for Allah (is) the Honor all. To Him ascends the words good, and the deed righteous raises it. But those who plot the evil, for them (is) a punishment severe, and (the) plotting (of) those - it (will) perish.

    Ayn-Zay-Zay = mighty/potent/powerful/strong, noble/honourable/glorious, resisted/withstood, invincible, overcome (e.g. in argument), exalt, prevail, highly esteemed, precious, glory, "vanity", excellent, proud and hard manner, stern.
    uzza - name of an idol of the pagan Arabs regarded by them as God's daughter.

    'Azza (prf. 3rd. m. sing. asim. V) Prevailed.
    'Azzaznaa (prf. 1st. pl. II) We strengthened.
    Tu'izzu (impf. 2nd. m. pl. II) thou honour, confer honour and dignity.
    'Izzan (v. n.) source of strength.
    'Izzatun (v. n.) vain pride, false prestige or sense of self respect, might honour, power.
    Al-Aziizun (act. pic. m. sing.) All-Mighty, One of the names of Allah, Unassailable, invincible, powerful in evidences and arguments, strong, mighty, heavy (with 'alaa tell hard upon).
    A'azzu (elative) more powerful, that occupies stronger and more respectable position.
    A'izzatan (n. pl.) most respectable and powerful, its sing. is 'Aziiyun.

    5527
    Wayabqa wajhu rabbika thoo aljalali waal-ikrami
    But will remain (the) Face (of) your Lord, (the) Owner (of) Majesty and Honor.

    5578
    Tabaraka ismu rabbika thee aljalali waal-ikrami
    Blessed is (the) name (of) your Lord, Owner (of) Majesty and Honor.

    aljalali= Majesty

    Jiim-Lam-Lam = To be thick/gross/coarse/rough, rugged/rude/big/bulky, to be great (in size or estimation or rank or dignity), independent, glorious, majestic, to be old or advanced in age, also to be young or not of fit age , firm or sound in judgement, to be eminent, noble or dignified, honourable, mighty, take the main part or portion of a thing, mount/ascend upon/cover a thing, to be exalted or magnificent, give much or many, to move about or shuffle a thing, sink or become depressed, sever/distressing/momentous/formidable.

    Pluralis Majestasis

    You said you were writing your own translation and you have been researching arabic and hebrew and have become somewhat of an expert.
    Pluralis Excellentiae which is from ancient Hebrew grammar should be familiar to you?

    https//en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesenius%27_Hebrew_Grammar/124._The_Various_Uses_of_the_Plural-form

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      huwa
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      Just found out ' nahnu' in aramaic means 'mommy' http//cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=n%29ny%20N&cits=all

      This goes with my other post that 'ma' means 'mother'. Correct me if i'm wrong.

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        fye
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        There's a portion of the Quran that speaks those closets to ALLAH and angels holding his throne. Also the book of revelations in the bible speaks of martyrs under his foot or something???
        Just know we is most likely ALLAH giving command to his angels and the science and laws of our world are made with balance for set purposes.

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          AssadAsuad
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          Salam,

          From my understanding of 2217 "Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah - Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness."(meaning that in some way, shape or form, the revelations sent to these groups were from Allah). If we look at the Avestan(magian ) texts and the Vedic(Sabean and those who associated w/ Allah) texts, we may be able to glean a meaning.

          In the Avestas, there is the concept of Ahura Madza(One of the Beautiful names/ the Avesta Equivalent of Allah) and his Seven Amesha Spenta( I believe that these correspond to Michael, Jibril and the other so-called ArchAngels) please see this info from wikipedia page for further information

          Ahura Mazda Middle Persian Ohrmazd (NP Hrmuzd) is the only God.
          Vohu Manah MP Wahman (NP Bahman) of cattle (and all animal creation)
          A?a Vahi?ta MP Ardwahi?t (NP Urdbihi?t) of fire (and all other luminaries)
          X?ara Vairya MP ?ahrewar, of metals (and minerals)
          Spnta rmaiti MP Spandarmad, of earth
          Haurvatt MP Hordd (NP Xurdd) of water(Harut)
          Amrtt MP Amurdd (NP Murdd) of plants(Marut)

          https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amesha_Spenta

          Only Allah truly knows, I'm interested in what everyone else's thoughts are.

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            fye
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            Hello the Quran rejects any equals to ALLAH he's the highest. Have you ever ran into any personal journals like the books of prophets from the king James bible that speak about the straying of people some books speak of war and wide spread fear and others simply speak of ingratitude.
            This are journals kept to teach why some people make up things untrue in religion.

            Why would ALLAH have an equal? Or why does this group sugar cost blasphemy?

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              Man_of_Faith
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              Even my interpretation of Quran does not equal Rabb with us. Rabb encompasses everything, but we are a share of that everything.

              In magnitude Rabb is far greater than me or you, but it is like a shared platform, symbiotic, and Rabb does not have any reason to refer to each share as "slave". Rabb can use affectionate addressing for us.

              Be well
              Amenuel

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                huwa
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                Allah is mentioned in the quran 2662 times (according to quran code software). add each number to the corresponding number i.e 2+6+6+2 = 16. Then from each chapter read the 16th word starting from chronological order. This is what it comes up with

                and truth partner recited disbelief by among you that (you) man worship we more
                lord (god) they were (be, exist) with the inspiration

                using google translate and almaany website

                It seems a little confusing. But please do your own research and come up with an outcome. And please tell us what you have found or if the above message is correct or not. Allah knows best

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                  fye
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                  Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!#!!!!!##!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    huwa
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                    What's wrong?

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                      fye
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                      Salaam

                      Do you see in context clues that ALLAH sent an Angel to do the "we" part?
                      Compared to verse related to planning which usually don't contain we.

                      Also defining "we" helps we who the party of ALLAH. Who's in the party of ALLAH? Do the angels count as believers? What part do you play?
                      Maybe ALLAH wishes to teach is to identify with the Quran?

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