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the few, believers at the time of the messengers

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    fye
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    Does anyone know the history of the pagan kabba when it was filled with idols? In the times of Muhammad he was the only believer and the arabs and their father's were pretty devoted to those idols and they have always been in the ways of their father's even to date their pagan Mecca father's names and legacies are still kept.
    I just have this wierd idea that if given the option they would still be pagan to date or simply going along with Islam for power reasons.
    They did outcast Muhammad and even his grandsons any legacies and stories of believers in Mecca before the coming of Muhammad? Maybe a messenger preaching against pagan worship?

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      reel
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      I just have this wierd idea that if given the option they would still be pagan to date or simply going along with Islam for power reasons.

      I have no idea how many pagan things the traditionalists are doing currently, but didn't Mr Muslim say he included preIslamic teachings in his sahih fabrications? I think that pretty much is a nail in the coffin. And this seems to have come from pagan belief
      Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Number 75 http//sunnah.com/bukhari/56/75
      Narrated Sahl bin Sad Saidi Allah's Messenger (&#65018 said "If there is any evil omen in anything, then it is in the woman, the horse and the house." Sahih Bukhari Book 56, Number 74 http//sunnah.com/bukhari/56/74 Narrated Abdullah bin Umar I heard the Prophet (&#65018 saying. "Evil omen is in three things The horse, the woman and the house."

      Similar to Hindu superstition
      It is considered a bad omen when a person sets out, to meet, or to see in front of him, any of the following ?a woman with plaited red hair 1, a widow, a new pot, a whirlwind, drops of rain, a bundle of firewood, a single Brahmin, an oil-monger, a pariah, a lame man, men quarrelling, men in suffering, men with dishevelled hair, a hunchback, a leper, invalids, buttermilk, oil, empty pots, grass, bones, a bundle of dirty clothes, smoking fire or various other things which are mentioned. It is not a good sign to see an ass either to the west, the north-west, the south-west or the south-east with its head hanging down and braying ; or to see a crow, a parrot, a stork, a heron, or a jackal pass from the right to the left.http//www.oldandsold.com/books/hindu/hindu-14.shtml

      In the times of Muhammad he was the only believer and the arabs and their father's were pretty devoted to those idols and they have always been in the ways of their father's even to date their pagan Mecca father's names and legacies are still kept.

      Back to square one now if you look around you P

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        fye
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        No no the hadith is about money being the root of all evil. Recall that verse where things men Covent are meantioned. The Hindu thing is a luck based superstition.

        Everything given is a trial and for worldly convience. Also consider money goes into these things it's a minius months pocket.

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          reel
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          Why the omen does not include a man in the list?

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            huruf
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            All men are good, you know, men only are not good because women play dirty tricks with them, poor things... yay yay yay yay rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

            Salaam

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              That argument stands for them in that case.

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                huruf
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                You kno,the men tht would be really worth for a woman to play tricks are the ones we do not like nor need tricks to sincerely and simply appreciate a woman, but you know how it is the mindset that needs women to blame for everything.

                Salaam

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                  Women are servants of.....their husbands and scholars are their God(s).

                  A woman from the tribe of Khath`am asked the Prophet , "Tell me what is the right of the husband over the wife? For I am an unmarried woman and I shall marry if I can, otherwise I shall remain unmarried." He said
                  "The right of the husband over the wife is that if he wants her she must not prevent him, even if she were sitting on the back (z.ahr) of a camel. Also among his rights is that she must not give out anything from his house except by his permission. Otherwise, she shall bear the burden of sin while he shall obtain the reward.Also among his rights is that she must not fast a single day voluntarily without his permission;2if she does, then she has only gone hungry and thirsty and it shall not be accepted from her. She must not leave his house except by his permission, she is cursed by the angels of the heaven, by the angels of mercy, and by the angels of punishment until her return." "Even if he is a wrongdoer ?" "Even if he is a wrongdoer."

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                    Women are servants of.....their husbands and scholars are their God(s).

                    A woman from the tribe of Khath`am asked the Prophet , "Tell me what is the right of the husband over the wife? For I am an unmarried woman and I shall marry if I can, otherwise I shall remain unmarried." He said
                    "The right of the husband over the wife is that if he wants her she must not prevent him, even if she were sitting on the back (z.ahr) of a camel. Also among his rights is that she must not give out anything from his house except by his permission. Otherwise, she shall bear the burden of sin while he shall obtain the reward.Also among his rights is that she must not fast a single day voluntarily without his permission;2if she does, then she has only gone hungry and thirsty and it shall not be accepted from her. She must not leave his house except by his permission, she is cursed by the angels of the heaven, by the angels of mercy, and by the angels of punishment until her return." "Even if he is a wrongdoer ?" "Even if he is a wrongdoer."

                    This i very good, because nomatter how worthless a man is, he can alway attain to the phantatic sensation of being a god for others, or one other , but finally a lord and god for her.

                    Of course that is ony good for one halfof humanity, the other half is expendable, just a thing. If that is not pervertig men ad humilliating women I don't know what it is.

                    Of course in actual reality, some couples, or many may have followed that satanic mindset, but many others, in spite of the satanic injunctions have in fact lived happily without lording or being lorded over.

                    Salaam

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                      fye
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                      Why the omen does not include a man in the list?

                      Every religion is based in a messenger the messenger comes to warn to remind. If not for a man or some guy who would even both to think deeply about creation? All religions even the Hindus had a messenger yet he has opposition. Look at their statues don't they look like men? Did the idol worship idols when they were simply men? I once went to a budhist temple and I saw the many budhas I knew them each had a focus sword in hand a messenger or teacher of war and it goes on who they are and what they were remembered for.
                      Some Hindus were remembered for their live of elephants protecting them through their lives. Statues are not much different from mirrols showing a man and what he loved.

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                        Women are servants of.....their husbands and scholars are their God(s).

                        reel i remeber a joke while reading this post.

                        a girl come to scholar and ask,

                        girl mr scholar can i sleep with my boyfriend?
                        scholar(traditional one) no. say astagfairullah.

                        girl . ok can i sleep with my father ?
                        scholar no never , say astagfirrulah.

                        girl ok can i sleep with my brother?
                        scholar get angry. never at any cost, devil is coming inside you say astagfirullah.

                        girl ok can i sleep with you mr scholar?
                        scholar feeling shy and say bismillah, there should be no delay in doing good deed. rotfl rotfl

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                          huruf
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                          Wht is wrong with sleeping? We need sleep, without it we would be zombies.

                          Salaam

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                            imrankhawaja
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                            actually sleeping with evil intentions what we call jiigi jiigi

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                              huruf
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                              Yeah i know but I hate euphemisms.

                              Salaam

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                                Yeah i know but I hate euphemisms.

                                Salaam

                                hate is a nasty thing, we dnt have much time to love properly,

                                it was just for the sake of laugh actually is it true zombies dnt sleep, rotfl

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                                  Every religion is based in a messenger the messenger comes to warn to remind. If not for a man or some guy who would even both to think deeply about creation? All religions even the Hindus had a messenger yet he has opposition. Look at their statues don't they look like men? Did the idol worship idols when they were simply men? I once went to a budhist temple and I saw the many budhas I knew them each had a focus sword in hand a messenger or teacher of war and it goes on who they are and what they were remembered for.
                                  Some Hindus were remembered for their live of elephants protecting them through their lives. Statues are not much different from mirrols showing a man and what he loved.

                                  The problem isn't hinduism, but evil men's urge to teach religions by lying about messengers and God. This is how corruption occurs.

                                  reel i remeber a joke while reading this post.

                                  a girl come to scholar and ask,

                                  girl mr scholar can i sleep with my boyfriend?
                                  scholar(traditional one) no. say astagfairullah.

                                  girl . ok can i sleep with my father ?
                                  scholar no never , say astagfirrulah.

                                  girl ok can i sleep with my brother?
                                  scholar get angry. never at any cost, devil is coming inside you say astagfirullah.

                                  girl ok can i sleep with you mr scholar?
                                  scholar feeling shy and say bismillah, there should be no delay in doing good deed. rotfl rotfl

                                  rotfl

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