Are Malaika angels?

imrankhawaja

more over angels dnt need to classified as gender , its applied to humanity, we give birth and get died, angels are creation that cant go agiasnt the commandments of God. hence its not imp they need to be male and female for giving birth to angels, they are probabbly not begotten creation, its you can say laws of nature, like the death and birth of new and old stars in universe called supernova, evry cration have different set of rules and regulation,

in simple words we cant see the chemistry behind the nature of angels apart from which allah already told us,

allah knows best,
peace.

Man_of_Faith

Redundant post. Apologize

fye

All life is created with water this is the chemistry. Plant life stones which crystals grow from stars planets.
Hydrogen bonds. Angels must have them too also messengers with wings and 50,000 years or days verse a that give structure and weight with a few other verses.
Like mof and imran said they are not female which also means what ever water is in their bodies does not need to be released or purified. In the verse of prophet Abraham's guest they did not need to take in Any new proteins or waters which was offered to them.
They appear as men in all respects wieners too lol verse of Mary and the prophecy. They brought her food they can interact with hydrogen bonded materials they have to be solid to some point. They drive the clouds acroos the sky another verse
They can blind crowds of men very motivated men. They can produced light or energy from their forms ( maybe when all energy is used they simply go) yet there is a verse speaking of angels and such beings as live forever. The verse of Adam and iblis djinn are fire based so fire dies.

Light doesn't die it does get asorbed into other life like a plant for photo-feeding. What is light? Rays.. Of what from where? It takes 8 minutes for sunlight to reach earth every morning so if anyone has a really big calculator set up a proportion
8 mins is equal to 50,000 years then denominator light years from earth to Sun equal to earth to heaven distance.

The proportion is the mathematic parable if only a reasoning was so clearly explained.

Bender

Reminds me about the so called 72 virgins.... and that it is also claimed that most inhabitants of hell are female. So, basically, both hell and heaven are jam packed by females. Sounds like a pathetic male fantasy.

Hi bro,

No it's not a male fantasy, there is a logical explanation.

Every soul will get what it earns. (source quran)
There are 73 sects and only 1 of them is going to heaven. (source hadith)
Reward for beating 1 sect is equal to 1 virgin (source Bender logic)

I am very sure you can do math yourself now.

peace

btw this only explains the abundance of females in heaven. I am still pondering on the hell, but I am very sure there is also a logical explanation which has nothing to do with male fantasies.

huruf

Well hell might be like in joke fromm some timme ago of a man who wanted to loose weight.

They set him at the bottom of the tallest building in the city and in front of him there appears a woman such as I guess the 72virginers imagine them and the man is told, if you catch her she is yours. So the lady starts climbing stairs like a whirlwind and hte man running behind with all his kilos.

That way he improves tha ratio height/width, and he tells himself, the one for tomorrow a will sure catch her.

Tomorrow comes, and the man all happy goes to the bottom of the said building, there appears a man powerfull like a gorilla and approximately as beautiful, and the man is told see that man? If he catches you, you are his.

So he indeed lost weight.

This is no digression, I imagine for the 72virginers, hell must be the second phase of loosing weight. It is grat to imagine it rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

Salaam

imrankhawaja

hell will be full with womens more than man (source hadith)

every where , every dimenshen females are in abundance,

72 virgins, rotfl

for what purpose , i dnt think so we will have same bodies what we have in this worldy life, niether we were in need of anything like birth, hunger, fear, these are the tests of life, hereafter paradise/hell is results of this life, result day some faces are happy some are sad,

some times i see a song , called i got you baby by duke daramount,

i feel thats the most what we can think about relaxation, like having girl in arms or cup of wine , music , fruits so on, again i will say all these are examples what makes us feel goodd inn worldy life and needs,

but for paradise it will be a surpprise for the eyes , and its totally secret and hidden from the perception of human mind, i dnt really know, but i hope it will some good.and tasty,lol

peace

huwa

Peace everyone,

According to "traditional islam" malaika means angels (female creatures with wings). But does the Quranic evidence suggests that the word Malaika means angels (female creatures with wings)?

Quran 37150 Or did We create the Malaika as females while they witnessed?

Quran 4319 And they have claimed the angels who are with the Almighty are females! Have they been made witness to their creation? We will record their testimony, and they will be asked.

Quran 69 And (even] if We had appointed an angel as Our message-bearer, We would certainly have made him a man - and thus We would only have confused them in the same way as they are now confusing themselves.

Also see the two different translations of the word Malaika in verse 351 below.

Shabbir Ahmed 351 All praise is due to God, the Originator of all Highs and Lows. He appoints His universal forces, having multiple functions e.g. message-bearers. He increases in creation as He wills. Certainly, God has appointed due measure for all things and events.

Monotheist translation 351 Praise be to God, Initiator of the heavens and the earth; maker of the angels as messengers with wings of two, and three, and four. He increases in the creation as He wishes. God is able to do all things.

Are Malaika angels? And do Malaika have wings? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts and opinions regarding this topic.

MALAKA in aramaic means Queen!

Recluse

Nobody really knows for sure, we only know that we must "believe" that they exist in order to enter eternal Heaven.

Basically, we must "believe" in something that we don't even know what it is that we are supposed to believe, or why, in order to be saved from God's wrath...

Does that really make any sense to you?

Peace

hawk99

Nobody really knows for sure, we only know that we must "believe" that they exist in order to enter eternal Heaven.

Basically, we must "believe" in something that we don't even know what it is that we are supposed to believe, or why, in order to be saved from God's wrath...

Does that really make any sense to you?

Peace

Peace Recluse atheist make your same argument about Allah also! hmm

peace

Recluse

Peace Recluse atheist make your same argument about Allah also! hmm

peace

Peace Hawk,

Well, that's their own opinion.. atheism doesn't make sense to me, if it did, I would have become one too. I don't believe that we must believe in God to be "saved" though. I don't believe in God out of fear....

good_logic

Peace Recluse.

Can you describe "God" the one you believe in?

Can you provide the source/evidence of your belief or why you believe in God?

Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

imrankhawaja

I don't believe that we must believe in God to be "saved" though. I don't believe in God out of fear....

i dnt beleive in examiner to get pass i am brilliant student ,
i dnt beleive in doctor to treat me , posiibly he will kill me,
i dnt beleive in paying system of electricity its a natural process of water handling , y i pay tax,

but i require an examiiner to give me certification , that i m a brilliant student , so that people will acceppt this certification.
i also require doctor to treat me, there is no other option while as we know we are unconsious regarding surgery,
i also require electricty , if i did not pay it, they will cut it off, if i go to court , and claiming its the water process , they will fail my claim, again i have to go back to company give them their dues and enjoy electricty as i need it badly, my everything is connecting with all of this,,,

when these small wordly matters cant done without procedures, so whats about God who is master over allthings,

i want to know about the God what you think ,

peace

Man_of_Faith

Good logic,

I would say Recluse would like to believe in an intelligent one.

Be well
Amenuel

Recluse

Peace Recluse.

Can you describe "God" the one you believe in?

Can you provide the source/evidence of your belief or why you believe in God?

Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace good logic,

There is no evidence of God and certainly not in some book. It's a conviction based on observation of the universe, DNA, life.
Hence, it's impossible to 'describe' God, or know with certainty whether He intervenes in our lives, and if so, to what extent etc.

Nobody has evidence of God's existance, do you?

I also don't think 'belief in God' is necessary for 'salvation'. However, as science continues to advance we might one day have much stronger evidence of God, who knows?

Peace

good_logic

Peace Recluse.
Thank you for your explanation. However I disagree with you, I find there is evidence of "God"s existence in His message- Qoran-. You asked me,quote
Nobody has evidence of God's existance, do you?
According to my understanding and my evidence ,please allow me give you some of GOD s attributes,described for us in His message to get to know God better
3967 Greatness of GOD

Our universe, with its billion galaxies, a billion trillion stars, uncountable decillions of heavenly bodies, spanning many billions of light-years, is the smallest and innermost of seven universes. This incomprehensible vastness of the seven universes is within God's hand. Such is the greatness of GOD.

Here are some more verses

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. (Allah, Al-Rahman, Al-Raheem)

Praise be to God, Lord of the universe. (Rabbul-Alameen)

Master of the Day of Judgment. (Maliki yawmiddeen)

Proclaim, "He is the One and only God. (Ahad)

"The Absolute God. (Al-Samad)

He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things. (Al-Awwal, Al-Aakher, Al-Thaher, Al-Baten)

God there is no god except He; the Living, the Eternal. (Al-Hay, Al-Qayioom)

He is the One God; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Dignified. God be glorified; far above having partners. (Al-Malik, Al- Quddoos, Al-Salaam, Al-Moumen, Al-Muhaymen, Al-Azeez, Al-Jabbar, Al-Mutakabber)

He is the One God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Almighty, Most Wise. (Al-Khaliq, Al-Barea, Al-Musawwer)

It is a fact that God is the Truth (Al-Haq), while the setting up of any idols beside Him constitutes a falsehood, and that God is the Most High, the Supreme. (Al- Alei, Al-Kabeer)

.... God is the best Protector, and, of all the merciful ones, He is the Most Merciful." (Khayru Hafethan)

To God belongs the east and the west; wherever you go there will be the presence of God. God is Omnipresent, Omniscient. (Wasea)

He is Supreme over His creatures. He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant. (Al-Qaher)

And many more verses clarifying GOD s attributes for us.
Brother, I am certain GOD exists and I have solid proof that Qoran is GOD s message to you , me and everyone else.
Of course you are entitled to your opinions as well.
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Recluse

Good logic,

I would say Recluse would like to believe in an intelligent one.

Be well
Amenuel

Hi MoF,

Intelligent, merciful and just.

Not an unstable and sensitive God who is easily offended. A God who acts like a dictator..a God who is always angry, looking for any excuse to throw people into a lake of Fire. A scary, violent, terroristic kind of God confused

Peace

@good logic

A claim in a book that says it is divine is not evidence.

More importantly, if the Qur'an is from God, then God is not merciful.

Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam (for example Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism and many others) will be condemned to eternal Hellfire. And all good deeds of those billions of people will be rejected by the Merciful God. I used my own words, but that is EXACTLY what the Qur'an says, as everyone who has read the Qur'an knows. There is nothing to disagree here, there is no need to post the exact verses, everyone could find them.

This strongly makes me doubt Qur'an's divinity...

The Merciful God sounds to me more like a Jewish or Arab nationalist God. A Semitic God in love with Semitic people and culture...

I guess I agree with you that we disagree..

Peace

Taro_Hiroshi

Peace Recluse and everyone,

There is no evidence of God and certainly not in some book. It's a conviction based on observation of the universe, DNA, life.
Hence, it's impossible to 'describe' God, or know with certainty whether He intervenes in our lives, and if so, to what extent etc.

In my view, there is strong evidence which suggests that God exists.

In his book, God The Evidence, The Reconciliation of Faith and Reason in a Postsecular World, the American scholar Patrick Glynn writes the following

The past two decades of research have overturned nearly all the important assumptions and predictions of an earlier generation of modern secular and atheist thinkers relating to the issue of God. Modern thinkers assumed that science would reveal the universe to be ever more random and mechanical; instead it has discovered unexpected new layers of intricate order that bespeak an almost unimaginably vast master design. Modern psychologists predicted that religion would be exposed as a neurosis and outgrown; instead, religious commitment has been shown empirically to be a vital component of basic mental health?

Few people seem to realize this, but by now it should be clear Over the course of a century in the great debate between science and faith, the tables have completely turned. In the wake of Darwin, atheists and agnostics like Huxley and Russell could point to what appeared to be a solid body of testable theory purportedly showing life to be accidental and the universe radically contingent. Many scientists and intellectuals continue to cleave to this worldview. But they are increasingly pressed to almost absurd lengths to defend it. Today the concrete data point strongly in the direction of the God hypothesis.

Recluse

Peace Recluse and everyone,

In my view, there is strong evidence which suggests that God exists.

In his book, God The Evidence, The Reconciliation of Faith and Reason in a Postsecular World, the American scholar Patrick Glynn writes the following

The past two decades of research have overturned nearly all the important assumptions and predictions of an earlier generation of modern secular and atheist thinkers relating to the issue of God. Modern thinkers assumed that science would reveal the universe to be ever more random and mechanical; instead it has discovered unexpected new layers of intricate order that bespeak an almost unimaginably vast master design. Modern psychologists predicted that religion would be exposed as a neurosis and outgrown; instead, religious commitment has been shown empirically to be a vital component of basic mental health?

Few people seem to realize this, but by now it should be clear Over the course of a century in the great debate between science and faith, the tables have completely turned. In the wake of Darwin, atheists and agnostics like Huxley and Russell could point to what appeared to be a solid body of testable theory purportedly showing life to be accidental and the universe radically contingent. Many scientists and intellectuals continue to cleave to this worldview. But they are increasingly pressed to almost absurd lengths to defend it. Today the concrete data point strongly in the direction of the God hypothesis.

Peace Taro Hiroshi,

Sounds very Japanese

I fully agree, that is why I believe in a Creator.

Thanks for the book recommendation.. I have the following books that may also be interesting for some people here.

Signature in the Cell DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design - Stephen C. Meyer
http//www.amazon.com/Signature-Cell-Evidence-Intelligent-Design/dp/0061472794

Darwin's Doubt The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design - Stephen C. Meyer
http//www.amazon.com/Darwins-Doubt-Explosive-Origin-Intelligent/dp/0062071483/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

The Privileged Planet How Our Place in the Cosmos Is Designed for Discovery - Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards
http//www.amazon.com/Privileged-Planet-Cosmos-Designed-Discovery/dp/0895260654/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1462306776&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=the+priviliged+planet

The Design of Life Discovering Signs of Intelligence in Biological Systems - William A. Dembski and Jonathan Wells
http//www.amazon.com/Design-Life-Discovering-Intelligence-Biological/dp/0980021308/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1462306917&sr=1-1&keywords=the+design+of+life

The Devil's Delusion Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions - David Berlinski
http//www.amazon.com/Devils-Delusion-Atheism-Scientific-Pretensions/dp/0465019374/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1462307067&sr=1-1&keywords=david+berlinsky

fye

I don't know recluse ALLAH has been named himself jealous in the bible to prophet Moses to whom he spoke.
He tells us to slay and kill.
He also gives people rope in their tresspasses just so they will end up in hell.

I think you all haven't understood life much. Like a chicken, we eat their eggs and feed them egg in the bread we throw to bird. We eat mass numbers of them and simply never thing about how much that bird was enjoying life before we are him. Or how much hope the bird put into it's young before we mix them in cake batter.

Maybe just maybe we are not that important to a higher being with greater right and control of the heavens and earth.

Pray or be prey.... Maybe
ALLAH is the most harsh in punishment.
Also recall that ayat where ALLAH says if an Angel were sent down the matter would be decided at once.
When you think of angels or messengers think of the message the Quran.
Imagine the book in a form like out bodies acting out it's self. The words inside becoming the knowledge in it's mind. All this creature knows is everything on the pages. What would be it's intention to our pagan "friends"?
friends where will it go after it travels the earth to see what was the end of those before it? What would it seem lawful and unlawful?

I believe we must become this. The Quran is the truth from ALLAH this is what he wants is to know.

We should become walking air and knowing nothing but it's truths.

Scary but are we not already? Learning through intervals, meeting it's fates?
How is an angel is and Angel different from man? Maybe the means.

What is the worst of beast? Do we not sub-humanize chickens lowering the value of their lives? Or do they simple do this to themselves in our eyes?
What of chickens helped people in their garden's? Or saved lives Or stopped crimes and wars?
What part of the book would they be serving toward? The good favour of ALLAH? Can we keep them happy forever or give them everlasting life?

Do not animals and djinn form communities? How about angels?
What does ALLAH say about hermetic life?

good_logic

Peace Recluse.

You say the following, quote

More importantly, if the Qur'an is from God, then God is not merciful.

Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam (for example Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism and many others) will be condemned to eternal Hellfire. And all good deeds of those billions of people will be rejected by the Merciful God. I used my own words, but that is EXACTLY what the Qur'an says, as everyone who has read the Qur'an knows. There is nothing to disagree here, there is no need to post the exact verses, everyone could find them.

This strongly makes me doubt Qur'an's divinity...

The Merciful God sounds to me more like a Jewish or Arab nationalist God. A Semitic God in love with Semitic people and culture...

I have already explained what "Islam" is!!!!
Hindusism, Taroism,Shintoism...and many others can also be "Muslims".Religion has nothing to do with being a "Muslim". "Islam" is a state of mind to GOD the creator.
But you keep insisting on this wrong definition of "Islam"?
Please give Qoran its credit and study it with a sincere mind. I find everything fair ,just and beyond any human capability of authorship.
Also, why do you take what others make of Qoran as fact? You sound to me like someone who wants to find out the truth? Are you?
Please do not be like countless others who are too lazy to put in the effort and study /find out for themselves!!!! They just assume others can do it better and believe them?

Anyway it is your choice.
GOD bless you.
peace.