Are they challenging ALLAH subhanvatala ?
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Hi,
Yes sorry, maybe to many questions.No probs ,Ben i love to answer your questions
You should doubt about yourself not about Allahs guidance, there is never anything to blame on Allah, it's always our own fault.
You are not challenging Him by that, you are challenging yourself. You are only challenging Him when you do evil.
This was my initial question to you in my OP , as a matter of fact no one has ever dare to touch those ayahs in my OP .so far none of you answered my quranic verses that i kept in my Op .you are yet to prove me that i am wrong
Today I jump 100 times before I go to work while jumping I ask Allah to guide me to siraat al mustaqeem.
Tomorrow I do the same and so on till I die.Not 99 or 101 times ,exactly 100 times uh .you seem to have great talent in counting things ,some time you count exactly 600 wings of an angel and at times you count your jumps daily !.lol
did you ever try to eat without using hands ,Ben .why not eat directly with mouth without using hands .ultimately we have to eat .so why use hands .
so every thing got its purpose and we have to use it only for that purpose .if it is salah then it is not gymnastic .if you jump then it is not salah
So before you die perform salah ,not gymnastics .salah definitely purifies soul .you will feel itmaybe your previous generation is better then yours, but how about yourself? Are you worse than them? if so then change that. And changing that has seriously nothing to do with how you do your prayer. Your prayer is between you and God, He understand every prayer and answers to every prayer of His 3ibaad, no matter how you do it and who you are, He is Allah your maker, He knows.
Oh sermon!
i think you even did not read the verses i posted in my Op .pl read them and understand them.after that read your above quote and answer yourself -
No probs ,Ben i love to answer your questions
Great because I love to question your answers
While we have some minor differences in opinion, I think you are O0This was my initial question to you in my OP , as a matter of fact no one has ever dare to touch those ayahs in my OP .so far none of you answered my quranic verses that i kept in my Op .you are yet to prove me that i am wrong
Ok lets start with the first part.
"Verse 9.100
And the first forerunners among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct ? Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment.
As per this verse it is evident that the first (the forerunner or the best people of our Ummah ) are the companions( the Muhajireen and the Ansar) of our prophet and the people who followed the companions of our prophet .This verse clearly shows that the generation next to the generation of our prophet is equally pious as the companions of our prophet .in other words, the people of first two generations were the first forerunners . "
There is really nothing evident in the red part except if I take Bukhary & Co as my source to understand the verse, then it makes some sense.
Not 99 or 101 times ,exactly 100 times uh .you seem to have great talent in counting things ,some time you count exactly 600 wings of an angel and at times you count your jumps daily !.lol
yes I am very good in counting, I have already counted thrice to infinity, 1 times more than Chuck Norris.
did you ever try to eat without using hands ,Ben .why not eat directly with mouth without using hands .ultimately we have to eat .so why use hands .
so every thing got its purpose and we have to use it only for that purpose .if it is salah then it is not gymnastic .RED Because it is better to use my hands.
if you jump then it is not salah
Are you challenging Allah?
I clearly said that I ask Allah every time while jumping to lead me to siraat almustaqeem, so why are your questioning Allah?So before you die perform salah ,not gymnastics .salah definitely purifies soul .you will feel it
It is not you who has to show me how I should do my prayer.
It MY prayer, like your prayer is YOURS.Oh sermon!
yes I know, I am better in counting than giving sermons.
i think you even did not read the verses i posted in my Op .pl read them and understand them.after that read your above quote and answer yourself
I did read your OP Parvez, also your other posts.
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lol,I am happy that we are moved after 820 views and 41 replays .it is better to be late than never .Thank You S_C
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Ok lets start with the first part.
"Verse 9.100
And the first forerunners among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct ? Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment.
As per this verse it is evident that the first (the forerunner or the best people of our Ummah ) are the companions( the Muhajireen and the Ansar) of our prophet and the people who followed the companions of our prophet .This verse clearly shows that the generation next to the generation of our prophet is equally pious as the companions of our prophet .in other words, the people of first two generations were the first forerunners . "
There is really nothing evident in the red part except if I take Bukhary & Co as my source to understand the verse, then it makes some sense.
You have made the entire ayah as red .can you be more specific ,Ben
yes I am very good in counting, I have already counted thrice to infinity, 1 times more than Chuck Norris.
Congratulations ,Ben
Are you challenging Allah?
I clearly said that I ask Allah every time while jumping to lead me to siraat almustaqeem, so why are your questioning Allah?It is not you who has to show me how I should do my prayer.
It MY prayer, like your prayer is YOURS.Seems you have become angry ,Ben
ok ,if you want to jump ....jump
I was standing in my balcony with a cup of tea in my hand and watching the mid summer sky where it meet that clear blue sea on a fine morning .suddenly a huge angle appeared in front of me .i dropped my cup and started counting his wings .when is successfully counted his 600 wings he was very happy and gave me hard copy of a book and told me "this is Quran".......sorry ,Ben this is big lie ...nothing of these things ever happened with me in my life and as matter of fact no one can claim he received a hard copy of Quran from an angle.Quran came to us by one and only media called tawatur and the same media gave us salah .Both Quran and salah were never thought with the books rather they were thought by reciting and performing in front of the learners .
Moreover , Quran supports the traditions as per the verses i gave in my OP .if you say , you can only believe in Quran and not the rest of things then you should prove me, beyond doubt,with your logic that the verses i mention meant actually some other things.
At the end of the discussions one of these things might happen ,
1.I may turn as Quranist
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You have made the entire ayah as red .can you be more specific ,Ben
Ok I'll try.
"As per this verse it is evident that the first (the forerunner or the best people of our Ummah ) are the companions( the Muhajireen and the Ansar) of our prophet and the people who followed the companions of our prophet ."
From where did you get the red information?
Seems you have become angry ,Ben
ok ,if you want to jump ....jumpI Was not angry just wanted emphasis that the way you do your prayer or the way I do my prayer is something personal.
Don't judge the prayers of others, they can use the same arguments to invalidate your prayer.if you say , you can only believe in Quran and not the rest of things then you should prove me, beyond doubt,with your logic that the verses i mention meant actually some other things.
Like I said if you analyze them with Bukhary than probably you have some very good points.
I do not only believe in The Quran, I believe in every truth.
Doing a ritual has nothing to do with truths, it's just a ritual. Allah will not question us about our rituals.At the end of the discussions one of these things might happen ,
1.I may turn as Quranist
2.you may turn as conditional traditional Muslim like meThe only reason I started this conversation was/is because of you topic title.
btw The Quran is a wonderful book, but do not turn into a quranist. -
Ok I'll try.
"As per this verse it is evident that the first (the forerunner or the best people of our Ummah ) are the companions( the Muhajireen and the Ansar) of our prophet and the people who followed the companions of our prophet ."
From where did you get the red information?
Do you have any better explanation for "the Muhajireen and the Ansar",Ben
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I Was not angry just wanted emphasis that the way you do your prayer or the way I do my prayer is something personal.
Don't judge the prayers of others, they can use the same arguments to invalidate your prayer.You may be correct ,but there is specific way and purpose for each and every thing and we cannot avoid it
Like I said if you analyze them with Bukhary than probably you have some very good points.
I do not only believe in The Quran, I believe in every truth.
Doing a ritual has nothing to do with truths, it's just a ritual. Allah will not question us about our rituals.can you elaborate the phrase "I believe in every truth" as far as i know the final truth is Quran .
if we are living in a specific country then we must abide by its laws .we follow them because we fear that we will be held for them if we don't follow them .
in the same pattern , i am bounded by the laws of Quran only difference is that i fear that i will be held responsible for violating it in akhira .you may correct ,as i told you before about the GOD's view in Quran you may be in these category .is it makes you lawless .this is just an inquiry .)
The only reason I started this conversation was/is because of you topic title.
btw The Quran is a wonderful book, but do not turn into a quranist.the main reason for this title is, if we ask ALLAH subahnavatala to guide us to a right path then how our ancestors were not rightly guided