Who was the first Muslim?
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It is who you are that will determine your destiny.
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@ Wakas
I clicked and read your first link which clearly implies that all "polytheists" will go to Hell.
I already know those arguments that "monotheists" are special people
Why do I have to repeat myself?
What if you were born in Thailand as a "polytheist", would you have gone to an eternal Hell in that case?
Peace
@Arman
Ignoring the issue (self-delusion) doesn't work for me..
Peace
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The fact is that there are no verses in the Quran which states that those who follow other religions/faiths/beliefs will go to hell.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608067.msg380257#msg380257LOL
The crux of the matter is that only "monotheists" will go to Paradise according to the Qur'an, which means that billions of Buddhists, Hindus and others are condemned to Hellfire. Why do I have to repeat myself?
Peace
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Peace,
Of course, I could also give you numerous verses about numerous issues that are inconsistent and incompatible.
Hi,
Of course you can, but I will save you some time.
Here is a site with thousands of contradictions of the quran including your fundamental contradiction in your OP.
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No-one is born a "polytheist".
Re eternal hell
Research http//quranix.org/appendix/qrt/8People are definitely born into an existing culture and religion. It's sad that I have to explain this again; why are most people in Korea, Japan or China not "monotheists"? Answer; Because they were born into another culture/religion, that's the only reason....
Why are "Saudis / Arabs" Muslim? If those same Arab "Muslims" had been born in Thailand, they too would have gone to an eternal Hell as polytheists. Now, of course I don't believe that (maybe you don't really believe it either), but that is what the Qur'an seems to imply.
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Hi,
Of course you can, but I will save you some time.
Here is a site with thousands of contradictions of the quran including your fundamental contradiction in your OP.
Click and ClickAnyone who studies the Qur'an can clearly see many immoral and primitve medieval teachings in the Qur'an, this is not even debatable!
More importantly, according to the Qur'an, billions of "polytheists" will go to an eternal Hellfire....
If you can't see how incredibly irrational, unjust and unacceptable such a belief system is, then I have nothing further to say. Feel free to believe that billions of polytheists, i.e. Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Hindus and others are condemned to an eternal Hell by the Merciful God... rotfl rotfl rotfl
If that makes sense to you, then we have a very very different idea about what logic, justice and fairness is...
Peace.
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Even more importantly, according to the Qur'an, billions of "polytheists" will go to an eternal Hellfire
Peace,
Well you made a very big claim bro.
I am interested in knowing those aayaat which gives you info about what you claimed.
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Have you ever read the Qur'an? Look it up please, I'm sure you can find those verses yourself...
Islam is the only accceptable religion No other religion will be accepted by the merciful God.
And polytheists/mushriks will never be forgiven by the Merciful God. All of this is in the Qur'an
Are you claiming that the Qur'an doesn't say all this?
If that is the case, then you believe in a book that you haven't read.... or maybe you've read it only once and forgot.
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Have you ever read the Qur'an? Look it up please, I'm sure you can find those verses yourself...
Islam is the only accceptable religion No other religion will be accepted by the merciful God
And polytheists will never be forgiven. All of this is in the Qur'an
You probably believe in a book that you haven't read properly....
Peace,
This is not the answer to my question bro.
It is strange that you dont know the aayaat to quote and you are making such a big claim? &
No, I don't find aayaat regarding what you said.
If you know please quote them if you cannot then repentance is the best option. -
Just wondering; Have you ever read the Qur'an bro?
Please be honest because it most certainly doesn't seem so...
I will find them for you, but I will do this only once. I'm not going to quote any more verses after that.. I don't like playing that silly game.
Here you go;
"And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers." &
And there are many many verses saying that muhsriks/polytheists, i.e. those who "ascribe partners to Him" will never be forgiven. I hope you already know of those verses? -\ Or do I have to find one of those too? It's not hard you know, even you could find them in seconds, I'm sure!
And I'm not going to repeat myself anymore. Only if I see sincerity, I will reply.. haven't seen much of that until now!
Peace.
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Just wondering; Have you ever read the Qur'an bro?
Please be honest because it most certainly doesn't seem so...
I will find them for you, but I will do this only once. I'm not going to quote any more verses after that.. I don't like playing that silly game.
Here you go;
Ali Imran 85;
"And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."
Peace and thanks,
I came to know that you dont know anything about alQuraanic Arabic.
There is no mention of the word 'religion' in this aayat.Deen = System.
And the word Islam cannot be translated as Islam.
Islam means Peace.If you are referring to the judgement day when you said 'hereafter' you are wrong again.
Please refer to this article about the meaning of alAakhirat.Now I think no further clarification is needed. You can translate the aayat on your own now and understand it.
And there are many verses saying that muhsriks/polytheists, i.e. those who "ascribe partners to Him" will never be forgiven. I hope you already know of those verses? Or do I have to find one of those too? It's not hard you know....
You wrote
muhsriks/polytheists
- Will never be forgiven
- will go to an eternal Hellfire....
You also said
God will burn billions of Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Shintoists and others in an eternal Hell?billions of Buddhists, Hindus and others are condemned to Hellfire.
And you also believe that if someone born in Thailand becomes a polytheist by default.
Please choose the single correct point from above that you want to discuss. Thanks.
Will you apologize and repent now?
Peace.
I always do to my Sustainer.
Peace.
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Peace Recluse.
I say to you "any religion" and you skip past it like you did not read it and claim that "chineese. Japoneese.,Hindus...etc are not included.
Your argument is based on misunderstanding of what "Islam" is.
May be I shall put it to you this way
Jew "Muslim", Hindu Muslim, Christian Muslim, Moslim Muslim, Japaneese Muslim, Atheist Muslim...etc Anybody/Anyreligion Muslim...(And Yes there could also be an Atheist Muslim under certain conditions). All these Muslims are defined in that verse I quoted you!!!!
I can see now,having read your posts, why you have given up with Qoran. I hope you reconsider brother.
GOD bless you.
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Recluse,
People are definitely born into an existing culture and religion. It's sad that I have to explain this again; why are most people in Korea, Japan or China not "monotheists"? Answer; Because they were born into another culture/religion, that's the only reason....
Why are "Saudis / Arabs" Muslim? If those same Arab "Muslims" had been born in Thailand, they too would have gone to an eternal Hell as polytheists. Now, of course I don't believe that (maybe you don't really believe it either), but that is what the Qur'an seems to imply.
Actually humans are born heavy polytheists (idolators) and what they idolize the most is their own body, or rather they associate themselves with it.
But joke apart, things do not have to do with deism at all and whether it is monotheism or polytheism but about what you make of yourself and what you associate yourself with. The only negative association is to associate oneself with this contradicting world rather than your identity in Rabb which is both singular and plural at the same time including us making different forms of deism redundant to discuss.
Be well
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Anyone who studies the Qur'an can clearly see many immoral and primitve medieval teachings in the Qur'an, this is not even debatable!
What is immoral with having a couple of teenage girls as wives?
And what is primitive about saluting every time a mosque when I enter it?More importantly, according to the Qur'an, billions of "polytheists" will go to an eternal Hellfire....
But eternal hell fire should be their destiny.
If you can't see how incredibly irrational, unjust and unacceptable such a belief system is, then I have nothing further to say. Feel free to believe that billions of polytheists, i.e. Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Hindus and others are condemned to an eternal Hell by the Merciful God... rotfl rotfl rotfl
RED You have at least to agree with me on the Japanese people, those are by far the worst creatures here on earth, they deserve much much more then eternal hell fire.
But unfortunately God is Merciful, so they will go only to hell fire >
But I should not complain as I can watch them burn from my sofa while chilling with my 72 beautiful big eyed virgins yayIf that makes sense to you, then we have a very very different idea about what logic, justice and fairness is...
Peace.
If you do not hate Japanese people then there is indeed nothing to discuss with me.
peace
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RED You have at least to agree with me on the Japanese people, those are by far the worst creatures here on earth, they deserve much much more then eternal hell fire.
peaceexample of hiro sheema and nagasaki the only event happened that recorded deaths , becoz japanese and german (nazi) was about to kill and rule the whole world . so atom bomb was the only option but after that there is a ban that nobody will use atom bomb it includes the killing of civilians which have no link with army political issues , but again , it happened once with russia when russia plan to destroy world but get destroyed instead , now in pieces due to cold war , but again in the end its all depend on Allah who will gona die when,and how this world will get destroyed.
peace,
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Peace Bender.
I tell you brother,I rather go to eternal hell than have 72 beautiful eyed virgins.
Relaxing with them, you must be joking. How can you relax?
I cannot relax now with only one! By the way we say the same about each other!!!
If you want you can have my other 71 as well. How does 143 of them sound to you?
I am amazed at how Soloman managed according to that story of his in that other book?
Anyway brother, best of luck to you.
GOD bless you.
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Salam Novice,
Alright, let's do that; how many muslims ('m' with a small letter) are there in countries like Japan or South Korea. Are there just as many as in Saudi Arabia, Turkey or Pakistan? Why do we call Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan "Muslim countries"? Why not call Japan a Muslim country?
Salaam Recluse
I dont know because for me muslim is not a title. May be there are more muslim in countries like Japan or Korea than in so called Muslim countries. May be that is the reason why people from Muslim countries are settling in non Muslim countries. May be they find soundness, peace and security in non Muslim countries. But of course sectarian Muslims will not agree with real meaning of a muslim and will stick to their sectarian definition.
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Peace Bender.
I tell you brother,I rather go to eternal hell than have 72 beautiful eyed virgins.
Relaxing with them, you must be joking. How can you relax?
I cannot relax now with only one! By the way we say the same about each other!!!
If you want you can have my other 71 as well. How does 143 of them sound to you?
I am amazed at how Soloman managed according to that story of his in that other book?
Anyway brother, best of luck to you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.wouldn't bethis pparadie or hell like the french saying
l'amour c'est comme un aubrge espagnol,on y mange ce que l'on aporte.
Love is like a Spanish inn, you eat there what you yourself bring with you.
If you bring hellwithyou you will eat hell, if you bring paradie with you, that i what you will eat. It is a condition of the person, I think that is why tbe Qur'an says "a fire whose fuel is men and stones". 2.24.
Salaam
