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    imrankhawaja
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    in 7th century science was not that advance to understand some special nature of stars. like planets, and black holes, pulsurs, neutron star. distant stars/suns.

    so they describe it according to their understanding, but with the passage of time we can interpret their meanings according to current knowledge we have. its not a deal, but our secterian people still stuck in 7th century science. they hardly accept new things,

    about black hole i watch documentires and what i learn from it , its something like a filtration or process where old stars and the matter which is destroyed due to the chemical process and climate change as we know everything is working on a principal and have its end as well , like we burn the rubbish to get rid of unwanted waste may b the functions of black holes are to finish the unwanted or useless space stuff.the gravitationl pull is so strong that light cant even pass or penetrate from it,

    i remeber one verse in which Allah swear by some invisible stars.

    early scholars was thinking its not a catagory of najam(stars) later its understood by scholars its a catagory of planets(kokab) becoz planets also revloving aroundd sun but they are not invisible they are moveble stars actually, so it was close but not accurate.

    now new discovries of 20th century introduce us a unique set of phenomenon call black holes
    at this moment this is the closest understanding of these invisible stars what i think, becoz they are invisible due to the strong gravitationl pull ,

    may be in future we will find some more interesting things and see even at this era we are still unsure about some scientific things due to weak and limited knowledge provided to us .

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      Mazhar
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      We are not talking about the knowledge of people about sciences.
      We are just reading a statement in a book introduced 1400 years back.

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        imrankhawaja
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        We are not talking about the knowledge of people about sciences.
        We are just reading a statement in a book introduced 1400 years back.

        yeh thats what i am saying , this book is a master piece in every aspect and niether of it claims nor statement proven false yet, some are still under observation due to the lack of understanding and limited resources. my logic say they are also correct.

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          imrankhawaja
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          That is a lie

          what is lie hp_tech nasa or black holes. i m afraid i did not understand what you are on about.

          peace

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            Mazhar
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            yeh thats what i am saying , this book is a master piece in every aspect and niether of it claims nor statement proven false yet, some are still under observation due to the lack of understanding and limited resources. my logic say they are also correct.

            Yes that is true/

            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/041.%20Fusselat/41.53PQ.gif
            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/041.%20Fusselat/41.53PR.gif

            We will henceforth keep visually exposing Our tangible-physical realities prevalent in the Universe-horizons and in their own bodies to the eyes of those who do not accept the Qur'aan.

            The purpose of this visual manifestation is that it might become self manifest for them that Qur'aan is Infallible Doctrine-Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence.

            Grand Qur'aan informed that Allah the Exalted will keep bringing to human visual access the knowledge about universe and human body, whereby the fact that Grand Qur'aan is Infallible Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence might become self manifest to the people who keep denying it. Why a first time observation of hitherto unseen thing-phenomenon manifests that the Qur'aan is a statement of proven fact? This is possible only if the same thing finds verbal mirroring of it in the Qur?aan. Verbal specification and visual observation are two aspects of identification of a tangible fact of real existence, as denoted by Arabic word http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.039/1.Aayatena%20Alif%20Ya%20Ya/7.gif anything that mirrors and conveys information; an information mirroring transmitter; a verbal passage of Qur'aan communicating information.

            The Infallible Doctrine-Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence

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              imrankhawaja
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              thanx for the link though, i will gona get on it inshAllah its sounds interesting ,

              God bless you

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                Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                What we should know about NASA and other shaytans (and fasiqoon) is told in 6705. The key word is "rujoom", which is plural of "rajm".
                Rujoom is "guessings", and it's "the knowledge" of NASA, Hollywood, Walt Disney and others about "masabih".
                Qur'an is clear, we just need to read it and to think about it. Please, don't look for "NASA's claims" in the Qur'an, for your good.
                Qur'an doesn't contain anything of their science. Qur'an is haqq, their science is sihr.

                Allah's bless and salam.

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                  HP_TECH
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                  What we should know about NASA and other shaytans (and fasiqoon) is told in 6705. The key word is "rujoom", which is plural of "rajm".
                  Rujoom is "guessings", and it's "the knowledge" of NASA, Hollywood, Walt Disney and others about "masabih".
                  Qur'an is clear, we just need to read it and to think about it. Please, don't look for "NASA's claims" in the Qur'an, for your good.
                  Qur'an doesn't contain anything of their science. Qur'an is haqq, their science is sihr.

                  Allah's bless and salam.

                  bravo bravo bravo

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                    Mazhar
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                    What we should know about NASA and other shaytans (and fasiqoon) is told in 6705. The key word is "rujoom", which is plural of "rajm".
                    Rujoom is "guessings", and it's "the knowledge" of NASA, Hollywood, Walt Disney and others about "masabih".
                    Qur'an is clear, we just need to read it and to think about it. Please, don't look for "NASA's claims" in the Qur'an, for your good.
                    Qur'an doesn't contain anything of their science. Qur'an is haqq, their science is sihr.

                    Allah's bless and salam.

                    Sorry, it is because proper knowledge either about statements in Qur'aan or knowledge shared by NASA like institutes is yet beyond your reach.

                    Grand Qur'aan directs the believers to go outside and learn the worldly knowledge to remain prepared.

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                      Sorry, it is because proper knowledge either about statements in Qur'aan or knowledge shared by NASA like institutes is yet beyond your reach.

                      Grand Qur'aan directs the believers to go outside and learn the worldly knowledge to remain prepared.

                      In the contrary you and the lot have been deceived O Mazhar.
                      Heed my words and research the truth earnestly.
                      Begin with NASA itself. Go and research it's meaning in Hebrew if you are a truth seeker and tell me what you find.

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                        Mazhar
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                        In the contrary you and the lot have been deceived O Mazhar.
                        Heed my words and research the truth earnestly.
                        Begin with NASA itself. Go and research it's meaning in Hebrew if you are a truth seeker and tell me what you find.

                        I have simply stated the meanings of words of Ayahs; Arabic words are descriptive. And their description matches what scientists including of NASA say about a particular star which is mentioned in Ayah.

                        First please run through the Article.

                        The corporeal Journey far beyond the ascensions of Earthly Universe

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                          Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                          You can believe whatever you want, 'iman is free to everybody.
                          I know that we have to check all the informations from fasiqoon and I know that masabih are rujoom for shaytans. These verses are very clear, but anybody can follow theories, assumptions, opinions, if they like.

                          I loved S/F once, but as it was in some other life... please, there's no need to use offensive language, I understand nice words also.

                          Allah's bless and salam.

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                            Mazhar
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                            and I know that masabih are rujoom for shaytans

                            What masabih have to do with the subject of thread?

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                              Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                              Masabih (besides kawakib, clouds, etc.) is all we can see in the as-sama' ad-dunya. Anybody who's talking about masabih has knowledge about it from Allah swt (with Sultan) or is shaytan and is talking rujoom, or is talking what (s)he heard from shaytan's rujoom.

                              You quoted NASA and "found" their story as "star", which is misbah... So, either you and/or NASA have some 'ilm from Allah swt about masabih or it's shaytan's rujoom. If you have 'ilm then you probably were beyond the border of the Earth and the Heavens, so you should have Sultan. Maybe you were on the Moon, or NASA was?

                              Don't believe in CGI, they're all just Walt Disney's cartoons. Trust no one except Allah swt and those He informed us about.
                              I don't see you had some bad intentions, I just warned you about NASA and Co. You can believe what your heart likes.

                              Allah's bless and salam.

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                                hansolo
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                                So al these images of Earth and stars and galaxies are fake ?
                                So all these rockets that go beyond Earth atmosphere is also fake?

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                                  Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                                  So al these images of Earth and stars and galaxies are fake ?
                                  So all these rockets that go beyond Earth atmosphere is also fake?

                                  If you look in what you're talking about and you think about it, you should get your answers.
                                  There're 2 ways for getting the knowledge 1) is when Allah swt is giving the knowledge to ones He chosen, 2) starts with thinking, then getting the knowledge as result, then, after accepting it, believing in it. In any case, all is with His 'izn. We're probably not chosen ones, so it's better for us to think, rather then accepting any information w/o proves, especially informations from fasiqoon and/or shaytans of men and jinn.

                                  If you think that this image is not "valid NASA" then chose whichever you think is ok and think about it...
                                  https//ronmamita.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/2015-how-bigisthe-earth_nasa.png?w=532&h=411

                                  Have you seen any rocket going beyond Earth's athmosphere? Have you really seen? Or is ok with you to believe fasiqoon w/o checking their (dis)info?

                                  Allah's bless and salam.

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Masabih (besides kawakib, clouds, etc.) is all we can see in the as-sama' ad-dunya. Anybody who's talking about masabih has knowledge about it from Allah swt (with Sultan) or is shaytan and is talking rujoom, or is talking what (s)he heard from shaytan's rujoom.

                                    You quoted NASA and "found" their story as "star", which is misbah... So, either you and/or NASA have some 'ilm from Allah swt about masabih or it's shaytan's rujoom. If you have 'ilm then you probably were beyond the border of the Earth and the Heavens, so you should have Sultan. Maybe you were on the Moon, or NASA was?

                                    Don't believe in CGI, they're all just Walt Disney's cartoons. Trust no one except Allah swt and those He informed us about.
                                    I don't see you had some bad intentions, I just warned you about NASA and Co. You can believe what your heart likes.

                                    Allah's bless and salam.

                                    Sorry gentleman,

                                    Try learning about celestial bodies. Masabih are comets, not stars.

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                                      Aladin_from_Azra_tribe
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                                      Sorry gentleman,

                                      Try learning about celestial bodies. Masabih are comets, not stars.

                                      Even if it's truth, but it's not, NASA is talking about comets also. I, as your brother, recommend you to read anything from any of Muslims astronomers prior to 13th century ad, or to find any of astronomers amongs Christians or Jews who was proud to be a believer and wasn't astrologer. You can enjoy real science reading them, and you can also think about Allah's swt ayats with relation with their knowledge.

                                      Allah's bless and salam.

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Even if it's truth, but it's not, NASA is talking about comets also. I, as your brother, recommend you to read anything from any of Muslims astronomers prior to 13th century ad, or to find any of astronomers amongs Christians or Jews who was proud to be a believer and wasn't astrologer. You can enjoy real science reading them, and you can also think about Allah's swt ayats with relation with their knowledge.

                                        Allah's bless and salam.

                                        You are not paying attention. NASA got stuck in your mind. I am only explaining the words of Qur'aan. Majority of translators render Masabih as stars while there is specific root for stars distinct from it. Similarly Kokab are planets.

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                                          hansolo
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                                          So...wait a sec. Earth is Flat? And we cannot go anywhere beyond this Earth ?

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