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The Problem of Evil

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    Timotheus
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    worshipping god is obviously not something he needs, we are the ones who arr in need of him, he is free of need and praiseworthy

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Well, why would we receive more through worship? That is a question. Logically Rabb would not be emotionally weak and be better to us if we are admirers. It would only be through our works we are judged. And obviously Rabb knows how much we "worship" without saying a word.

      I hoped you would realize such behavior of seeking confirmation of power is primitive.

      Be well
      Amenuel

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        Jafar
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        Well, why would we receive more through worship? That is a question. Logically Rabb would not be emotionally weak and be better to us if we are admirers. It would only be through our works we are judged. And obviously Rabb knows how much we "worship" without saying a word.

        I hoped you would realize such behavior of seeking confirmation of power is primitive.

        Human of the past could not exactly figured out the cause and effect of some phenomenon, thus they take an assumption / belief that everything is controlled / managed by a God and that God is angry with us.

        No rain for few months, the rain God must be angry with us because we forgot to worship Him..
        Prepare the ceremony to sacrifice the best among our virgins.. (as apparently the Rain God Imam saith the Rain God demands virgins to be sacrificed)..

        The next time you have problems with your computer, and you just couldn't figure out why.
        Remember that it's very possible that the Computer God is angry with you.. because you forgot to worship Him.

        https//erikbuys.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/idol-worship-social-media.jpg

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Anger is an instinct, Jafar. If God is angry then God is not more advanced than a child learning to control behavior seeing how often God is angry in traditional fashion. Anger also leads to proportionally weak judgement and hence probably why you can see humans are perceived to receive the punishment of burning in Hellfire forever because they missed to "acknowledge the higher power" and worship.

          Anger results in the wish of harming another if not handled spiritually by the person. It is as primitive as it can get.

          Be well
          Amenuel

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            imrankhawaja
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            logically there is no need of physical actions done by any human to make God happy ... what we call our worship... to God .

            people continously worship five time but infront of them they are selling drugs and and traffciking kids and women in some part of north west of pakistan where there is no law of law applied to humans called area under tribal control, this is just one example,, dn want to be rascit its just a example...

            what i am trying to say a act oof worship really need human gymnastic to make God happy if we continue to do the action oon other hand which God really get angry at..

            God did not require anything from human beings apart fromm the deeds which make this planet a peacful place thatts it...
            its people who change the words of rituals or worship to physical worship

            the worship is to listen God and obey his commands like not to steal, not to rob, not to murder, and help eachother by wealth , sources,
            dnt block the provision to someone which is bestowed to you by God... these things infact play a part to make you more close to nature and universal lord...

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              Zulf
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              Evil exists bro Zulf because Allah created it!
              Allah is the creator of all things. I think your are referring to
              characteristics of evil

              39/62 Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs.

              police

              Then what's next?
              God created our weaknesses and sins, and rebellion and negativity?
              So God forces people into Hell because he created them so that they had no option but to sin? God must have created the failure to do good also then.

              ?

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                good_logic
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                Peace Zulf.

                The question I will ask is why ?

                If one answers because we are being tested!!! And a test must have 2 opposites( good and evil),Then the next question will be What is the reason behind us being tested?Why should we forgo a test? Is this fair?

                Then comes what went on before the test? And what next?

                Qoran has all these answers.

                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  hawk99
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                  Then what's next?
                  God created our weaknesses and sins, and rebellion and negativity?
                  So God forces people into Hell because he created them so that they had no option but to sin? God must have created the failure to do good also then.

                  ?

                  Peace bro Zulf, please re-read post #12. Allah created the parameters in which
                  we live. You forgot to mention positive in your post

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                    Bender
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                    Allah did not create evil. It is we who create evil, by misusing the things He created and misusing the abilities He gave us.

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                      Timotheus
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                      peace,

                      'we point out the paths, including the wrong ones'

                      how else would we see the results of wrong actions and take heed if they wete not apart of our life? god teaches us by way of examples, pairs, polarity.

                      evil is the result of us failing to uphold gods absolute authority, and here we have an oppurtunity to reform and return to our lord.

                      god created life to test us who would be best in thier deeds, by his will

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        We tend to be "evil" in our nature, the Homo sapiens body and it is what Rabb created, hence Rabb created an evil character. Rabb could have created a character that does not have the instincts to act evilly, but the body is a test. It is merely an envelope for you.

                        It is the conjunction of powerful spirit and body that makes us truly dangerous though, if one lets the body rule over spirit.

                        Evilness can be more subtle too, for example striving for social status is too as the pack instinct causes the striving to have a detrimental effect on the society. All of these negative features are supercharged by the Satan.

                        Be well
                        Amenuel

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          we can understand evil or negetive side very easily,,

                          somebody , rob me, cheat with me, do bad with me,

                          nw power changed and the game is in my hand, what should i suppose to do. i got option , to do same with him what he do with me or to forgive him,

                          the difficult way is to forgive him but the favorable way to forgive him and dnt b same like him otherwise there will be no difference between him and me, i got power but i still beleive supreme powers belogn to God , in my first prefrence i need to take actions which make my God happy instead of my self /character get satisfied by taking revenge,
                          infact revenge is a favourite thing of human ego and powerful tool for evil.. so i must take the option of forgive him not do cheat or do bad in return, not to rob even i get robbed hundred times...

                          this is a difficult way but a strait way.

                          these two options are our decision which totally based on two sides of our self one is evil one is good..

                          everything is in pair... its up to us who we understand all this science of life...

                          peace

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                            reel
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                            Salaam !

                            A question for the learned Quranists in particular

                            Why does evil exist ?

                            Because of all those behind your avatar here....!

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                              Timotheus
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                              We tend to be "evil" in our nature, the Homo sapiens body and it is what Rabb created, hence Rabb created an evil character. Rabb could have created a character that does not have the instincts to act evilly, but the body is a test. It is merely an envelope for you.

                              It is the conjunction of powerful spirit and body that makes us truly dangerous though, if one lets the body rule over spirit.

                              Evilness can be more subtle too, for example striving for social status is too as the pack instinct causes the striving to have a detrimental effect on the society. All of these negative features are supercharged by the Satan.

                              Be well
                              Amenuel

                              Peace,
                              God did not create us with an evil nature, we choose to be evil by ignoring him/choosing not to follow him.

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                              so set/establish your face to the upright obligation/system. the nature/instict/inclination of god, upon which he fashioned the human beings, upon it there is no change to gods creation. that is the established obligation/system. however, most of the human beings are not aware.

                              gods natural instict is not evil! it is upright.

                              animals are also not evil, or wrong (i cant quite explain what i mean easily) as many consider them. how can they be when they submit fully to god? they know their means of contact, and glorification.

                              EDIT prehaps primative, as if this is a negative. or as if we are somehow better than them when in fact they are doing what god instructs them.

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                                imrankhawaja
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                                even the very first chapter is indicating two ways of spending life.... one is for righteous and favorable another one is selected by wicked and its for misguided ones

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                                  Man_of_Faith
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                                  That is wrong, Timotheus. The body has the design to be evil, corrupting. If we listen exclusively to it we will be like it.

                                  It is the body that likes to imitate others.

                                  It is the body that has wants that easily turn detrimental.

                                  It is the body that enjoys social status and strives to have something others have not.

                                  It is the body that likes hoarding.

                                  It is the body that has an intense drive to copulate, sometimes irresistible so one is like a slave.

                                  It is the body that likes to be proud over what one has, e.g. drive around with a flashy new car in search for recognition. It is almost subconscious.

                                  It is the body that is the cause to become jealous.

                                  It is the body that drives to get violent and enjoy violence and accept violence as a solution.

                                  Rabb calls the world corrupting and designed to consume intentionally. One has to make a clear distinction between body and spirit or otherwise they will not develop. Even without that particular information it is quite easy to make it out using modern science. The human (Homo sapiens) instinct is the cause and that is what Rabb defines as Satan. And we should avoid Satan. Satan is more involved in our lives than people care to think and thus they fall to Satan unknowingly.

                                  And scientists agree the human is basically a primate, an animal. We function like an animal fundamentally with needs and desires. Those desires can be dangerous in combination with a (deluded) spiritually potent being.

                                  Be well
                                  Amenuel

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                                    Timotheus
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                                    That is wrong, Timotheus. The body has the design to be evil, corrupting. If we listen exclusively to it we will be like it.

                                    It is the body that likes to imitate others.

                                    It is the body that has wants that easily turn detrimental.

                                    It is the body that enjoys social status and strives to have something others have not.

                                    It is the body that likes hoarding.

                                    It is the body that has an intense drive to copulate, sometimes irresistible so one is like a slave.

                                    It is the body that likes to be proud over what one has, e.g. drive around with a flashy new car in search for recognition. It is almost subconscious.

                                    It is the body that is the cause to become jealous.

                                    It is the body that drives to get violent and enjoy violence and accept violence as a solution.

                                    Rabb calls the world corrupting and designed to consume intentionally. One has to make a clear distinction between body and spirit or otherwise they will not develop. Even without that particular information it is quite easy to make it out using modern science. The human (Homo sapiens) instinct is the cause and that is what Rabb defines as Satan. And we should avoid Satan. Satan is more involved in our lives than people care to think and thus they fall to Satan unknowingly.

                                    And scientists agree the human is basically a primate, an animal. We function like an animal fundamentally with needs and desires. Those desires can be dangerous in combination with a (deluded) spiritually potent being.

                                    Be well
                                    Amenuel

                                    God is wrong?
                                    or i am wrong in my understanding?

                                    it seems you have made your own self your object of worship, and i see you trangressing clearly gods clear commandments.

                                    whos in control of your body? or do you just want a scapegoat to blame your sin on? rather it is our ego!

                                    what is a body but flesh and bones? tell me, can someone in a coma do any of the things you just mentioned?

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                                      hawk99
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                                      Again this reality or creation is composed of degrees and all that is needed
                                      is a casual observance to understand that that there are two ends to the
                                      spectrum of our reality, of which there are many examples, like
                                      we have light at one end of the spectrum and dark at the other end
                                      of the spectrum and many variations in between the two. This is the
                                      nature of our existence. If Allah did not create evil then only good would
                                      exist and this life would be paradise. What we call evil is at the
                                      extreme end of good with degrees between the two. Only Allah is one
                                      and only Allah has no degree, no equal no counterpart.

                                      good...........................................................neutral..................................................................evil

                                      light..........................................................dim.....................................................................dark

                                      fat.............................................................normal built.....................................................................skinny

                                      tall.......................................................medium height...........................................................................short

                                      acid.....................................................ph balance.............................................................base

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        negetive ..................positive..

                                        material......................immaterial

                                        body............................soul/spirit

                                        shown/apparent...........................hidden.

                                        life/birth .................................death/expiry

                                        hell .............................. heaven/paradise

                                        first life(earth)..................................second life(hereafter)

                                        even bring you inside this world need mother and father... sperms male .......... female

                                        God (creator of humanity) there is nothing we can compare ,,, absolute authority in any form shape logic proved God is one and unmatchable unique entity, alhamdulliah hey rab il alameen

                                        @ hawk somethings dnt even have middle spectrum... hmm

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                                          hawk99
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                                          @ hawk somethings dnt even have middle spectrum... hmm

                                          Peace imrankhawaja, please give examples

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