what nation/creation God is reffering here?
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traditional story of time is more mysterious...
i remember i heard from some scholars they reffer some quote something like that...
once prophet asked from gabriel , how old you are gabi?
gabriel replied , prophet i did not kknow my exact age but i will try to explain you i remeber i always see a star that shines at huge sparking ,, and i saw that star in every billion years... and this star i saw more than billion times..
then prophet replied! gabriel do u know what that star was...
gabriel replied no
prophet replied that star was me... i was that star you saw ..
inlight of this our scholars claim that all the universe and earth come into existence for the sake of prophet muhammad..
now i understand how easy for scholars to brainwash the minds of public and at that time i also beleived on that tale.. but in light of quran this tale hold no water.. again i will say God knows best
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peace be upon you,
we are the seed of Adam, hence 'children of Adam.'
dont mislead yourself with traditions, and stories, and scholars and imaams, just trust in God alone, and seek Him alone forsaking all else.
and your LORD, the Sufficient, Possessor of The Mercy, if it be that He wills, He will remove you and He will seek establish succession from after you whomever He wills, like such he brought you up from the offspring of another people
however looking deeper into the words, prehaps one could interpret
He RAISED UP (formed/fashioned/brought out/brought into being/'grew' you from TINY AMOUNTS (small part peices of a whole) of AN OTHER RESSURECTION (usualy 'people' but more literaly risen up, standing, establishment, erected etc from the root qwm which means to arise/stand up)
i think there may be something in this, but it would need verification, and to look more in depth into it. thought i think that this might be worth looking into.
remember when God said to the angels 'I am putting a khalifa on earth'
well, just as such, he can do away with us and bring forth a new khalifa
He is the One who INITIATES and REPEATS.
something to consider.
peace be with you all
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One important point to remember is that.
this verse points to how great is Gods mercy towards us, that He does not need for anything, and if He willed he could wipe us out completely whenever and however he Willed, yet out of His mercy, He has allowed this test to continute, untill the predetirmed period.
Praise be to the Lord of the Exsistences
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remember when God said to the angels 'I am putting a khalifa on earth'
You ought to reflect on what the word khalifa means. Look for the word in a lexicon and you see it has way more meanings than vicegerent or whatever nonsense is in the sectarian interpretation of Quran.
The word khalifa means something which is a contradiction.
Be well
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You ought to reflect on what the word khalifa means. Look for the word in a lexicon and you see it has way more meanings than vicegerent or whatever nonsense is in the sectarian interpretation of Quran.
The word khalifa means something which is a contradiction.
Be well
AmenuelAlhamdullilah, may God reward you for bringing that to my attention.
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peace brother timotheous,
i actually say to give your opinions on .. the words "from another people"
who are these people?... and then i represent my understandings. the traditional story is just to make people aware about the accounts of history cliams...
you can re-read OP please .. and give views if you have any
God bless you
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"Be informed, I am about to render Adam as self-ruler enjoying liberty of decision making in the Earth."
- Concept?topic of Ayah
The topic is about declaring and appointing the Man as self-governor, autonomous, enjoying freedom-discretion-free will of self rule-decision-governance in the Earth before his descent from extra terrestrial abode to the Earth. The Man is being informed that he is not the resident of Earth ever since the creation of his species. Though this was dissension - falling action but in an honourable manner and with full liberty to enjoy real freewill http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.030/01.Khalifa%20Kha%20Laam%20Fa/1.gif . It was not a "catastrophe", not a punishment of sin. It was a new "exposition" - beginning.
The Divine Discourse concatenates facts in perfect sequence and chronological order. This is the First Narrative - Episode - real life event when a decision was taken about the future of Man in the very early period of his existence in the extraterrestrial land.
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peace brother timotheous,
i actually say to give your opinions on .. the words "from another people"
who are these people?... and then i represent my understandings. the traditional story is just to make people aware about the accounts of history cliams...
you can re-read OP please .. and give views if you have any
God bless you
Know it; Your Sustainer Lord; the Absolutely Independent, the Fountain of the Mercy;
Should He so decide He could cause you people offstage; and bring in prominence and power after you those He decides.
It would be like as He the Exalted had given you prominence in the posterity of bygone people. -
Know it; Your Sustainer Lord; the Absolutely Independent, the Fountain of the Mercy;
Should He so decide He could cause you people offstage; and bring in prominence and power after you those He decides.
It would be like as He the Exalted had given you prominence in the posterity of bygone people.brother mazher , peace
what i actually ask was there anybody else also before us... ? -
"anybody else" by it you mean other species?
Ayah is referring to other people; earlier generations/civilization.
so these generations/civilisations were earlier then adam... or i misunderstood?
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I thik the Qur'an says, and paleontology says that there have been prior humaniies. We are no he first. God created a "successor" (khalifa) to Him? of coure not. We are tthe successors of previous humanities. And of course, here can be ohr humanities which may succeed us.
That is wha he Qur'an says.
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I thik the Qur'an says, and paleontology says that there have been prior humaniies. We are no he first. God created a "successor" (khalifa) to Him? of coure not. We are tthe successors of previous humanities. And of course, here can be ohr humanities which may succeed us.
That is wha he Qur'an says.
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so these generations/civilisations were earlier then adam... or i misunderstood?
From where Adam is coming to your mind?
Know it; Your Sustainer Lord; the Absolutely Independent, the Fountain of the Mercy;
Should He so decide, He could cause you people offstage; and bring in prominence and power after you people others that He decides.
It would be like as He the Exalted had given you prominence in the posterity of bygone people.This might help
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And recall when He the Exalted appointed you the rulers after the annihilation of the civilization Aad;
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peace brother timotheous,
i actually say to give your opinions on .. the words "from another people"
who are these people?... and then i represent my understandings. the traditional story is just to make people aware about the accounts of history cliams...
you can re-read OP please .. and give views if you have any
God bless you
Peace be with you,
who are theese other people? i dont know. what i do know is thi;
Allah, who initiates creation and repeats it.
It seems clear to me, from the quran, and the previous scriptures that there is 'nothing new under the sun' that 'what has been done will be done' and i believe that we are just a repitition of a previous cycle of beings.. i dont know who or what or how, but thats not important, what is important is why, which we should all know the answer to if we carefully study the quran.
let us turn to our Lord all together, and seek our creator, and Master
peace
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6133 And your Lord is the Rich, possessor of Mercy. If He wished,
He could remove all of you and bring after you whom He pleases,
just as He established you from the seed of another people.i want views of members on this particular verse what actually was before us...
Such is the natural mechanism, whether it's among humanoid or even different species..
This planet was once full of reptiles... He removed all of them.. (through natural catastrophy) to make room for the mammals to grow. From among the mammals.. primates and then humanoids came into the existence...
He removed dinosaurs bring after it a cohort of mammals...
Now let's zoomed in on what happened among humanoids.. (as the words being used above are 'kawm' which is a definition of human group).
All of you are a product of a cross breed between human groups..
Take any identity... you're a middle easterner? your ancestry varies from Neanderthal, Caucasian, African, Egyptian, Israelites, Turkic and Mongols / Asians. You're an american? your ancestry varies from Pacific Islander, Native Americans, African and European origin.God bringing in another people / tradition replacing an existing people / tradition within a specific territory is a normality according to history. It happens so many many times.. Some calls it "invasion of foreigners" or even "colonization".. The "foreigners" will then interbred with the 'losing natives' and bring forth a different people / tradition usually a mixed up one...
Zoomed more in into the context and main audience of Quran.. (read Middle East, 1400 years ago)..
God has bring forth the Turks and the Mongols to conquer middle east after 1000 AD. (around 300-400 years after Quran)
For many centuries the main audience of the Quran (Native Middle Easterners, Jews Arabs Syrians, Persians, Egyptians whatever take your pick) fell into servitude of their foreign invader. The foreign invaders interbreed with the (surviving) natives and give birth to today's middle easterner people and myriad traditions..The verse is actually a WARNING..
In plain blunt language it is "SHAPE UP YOUR ATTITUDE! OTHERWISE I WILL REPLACE YOU WITH ANOTHER PEOPLE".The Tanakh also contains similar message / warning. to the Israelite.. infact the majority of the message was the warning above..
And the Gospel also contain similar parable
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_talents_or_minasIn short Use wisely all the talents, resources and blessings that you have.. otherwise those blessings shall be given to other people or even another creation / species.. and don't be arrogant or prideful of your blessings as the more blessings that you have, the more responsibility that will be put as your burden.
"The greatest among you shall be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."
-- Matt 2312"A man's pride will bring him low, But a humble spirit will obtain honor."
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nice post jaffar . i like that ... it was interesting as well