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    hansolo
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    Peace

    What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?

    Peace

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      Ethereal.

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        What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?

        Peace

        Salaam/Peace Hansolo,

        It is already perfectly described and foretold by our Lord AL-LAH
        in these most essential Verses for all of us, here

        = First of all, each and every "Human" will thus be resurrected by our Lord AL-LAH
        in their exact same "Human" form (exact same DNA, even to our fingertips), in the Hereafter,
        here thus

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        78- And he puts forth an example for Us, while forgetting his own creation!
        He says Who can revive the bones (=al-itham) while they have rotted (in the grave)?

        79- Say The ONE Who has made them in the first place (in this World) will revive them (in the Hereafter).
        For HE is fully Aware-and-Knower of every creation.


        1- I do swear by the Day of Resurrection.

        2- And I do swear by the Person (who will be) self blaming (on that Day).

        3- Does "Human" think that We cannot gather his/her bones (=ithamahu)?

        4- Yes indeed; We will be Able to reconstruct (even) his/her finger tips (=banaanahu).

        5- But the "Human" still intends to deny and corrupt his/her own future,

        6- by asking (mockingly) "When is that Resurrection Day to be?"

        QURAN TESTAMENT 36/78-79 = 75/1-6

        = Each and every "Human" will thus be resurrected by our Lord AL-LAH
        in their exact same "Human" form (exact same DNA, even to our fingertips) above,

        at the time of our normal death here, instantly, in a parallel Universe --(in a Hell or in a Paradise therein)

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        28- Those whom their lives are terminated --(at the time of their normal Death here)-- by the Angels, while they had wronged themselves,
        then they finally would offer Surrender (to AL-LAH) therein, (saying) "We have not been working for any evil!"
        "Alas, AL-LAH is Knower of what you have been working-for."

        29- (The Angels will say to them therein again, at the moment of their normal Death therein)

        "So enter the gates of Hell, in it you shall abide; such is the Abode of the arrogant!"

        X X X

        31- Gardens of Delight; which they will enter, with Rivers flowing beneath them, in it they will have what they wish.
        Thus will AL-LAH reward the Righteous.

        32- Those whom their lives are terminated --(at the time of their normal Death here again)-- by the Angels, while they had been good,
        they will say (to them therein again, at that moment)

        "Peace be upon you, enter the Paradise because of that which you have been working-for!"

        QURAN TESTAMENT 16/28-29 X X X 16/31-32)

        = Each and every "Human" who have been ungrateful and rebellious and worked for bad/evil-deeds in this World, and never repented (=85/4-10 & 4/17-18),
        will thus be resurrected by our Lord AL-LAH
        in their feeblest/ugliest/weakest Human forms (exact same DNA, even to their fingertips) above,

        in the Hereafter, therein thus

        ====================
        4- Definitely, We have created the "Human" in the most beautiful (=ahsan) upright (=taqweem) form.

        5- Then We will return him/her --(here in this case 4/17-18 & 85/4-10)-- to the feeblest/ugliest/weakest form
        of the feeble/ugly/weak --(in Hell).

        QURAN TESTAMENT 95/4-5

        = Each and every "Human" who have been Grateful and Obedient and worked for Good/Righteous-Deeds in this World, and never wavered (=49/15 & 3/133-136),
        will thus be resurrected by our Lord AL-LAH
        in their firmest/nicest/strongest Human forms (exact same DNA, even to their fingertips) above,

        in the Hereafter, therein thus

        ====================
        4- Definitely, We have created the Human in the most beautiful (=ahsan) upright (=taqweem) form.

        5- Then We will return him/her --(here in this case 4/17-18 & 85/4-10)-- to the feeblest/ugliest/weakest form
        of the feeble/ugly/weak --(in Hell).

        6- Except those who have believed and worked for Good/Righteous-Deeds, and theirs shall be an unending reward (=first of all, such as always
        to remain firmest/nicest/strongest therein).

        QURAN TESTAMENT 95/4-5-6

        And each and every "Human" who may thus instantly be admitted into Paradise, at the time of their normal death here (=16/32)
        by the Immense Grace of AL-LAH unto them, in a parallel Universe therein,
        shall never have any fear therein and they shall never grieve because no one and nothing can never harm them (=5/69 & 21/69 = 101-103),

        and thus they shall be able to freely and joyfully live in that enormously vast Universe (=3/133)
        and they will also be able to instantly see and communicate with all other Ancestors, Family and Friends therein (=52/21-28)
        and they shall also be able to freely and happily travel from planet to planet, from galaxy to galaxy, instantly,
        through wonderful means (e.g. essentially such as telepathy and teleportation) therein

        =QURAN TESTAMENT 3/133 = 52/21-28 = 36/57-58 = 27/38-40

        and finally and most Importantly,

        they shall continue to always reverence and love AL-LAH with all their heart & mind & soul & strength,
        and thus they shall wholeheartedly glorify and serve AL-LAH as HIS truthful and honorable "Human Servants" therein
        by truly listening and perfectly observing all of HIS Commandments unto them therein, forever!

        =QURAN TESTAMENT 10/9-10 = 7/206 = 21/19-20, 26-29

        Remain in peace/salaam.

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          Jafar
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          Orgy with 72 virgins..

          Seriously, I don't have any 'ideal', I have admitted that even I don't know what's 'ideal' for myself.
          Thus I let that for the 'most expert' to decide that for me... as he knows me better than myself..

          I get all the 'idea' for the 'ideal' as of now are merely based on the experience that I got from this life.
          I will not think about anything or want anything that I don't have any experience or knowledge about it from this life...

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            Orgy with 72 virgins..

            Seriously, I don't have any 'ideal', I have admitted that even I don't know what's 'ideal' for myself.
            Thus I let that for the 'most expert' to decide that for me... as he knows me better than myself..

            I get all the 'idea' for the 'ideal' as of now are merely based on the experience that I got from this life.
            I will not think about anything or want anything that I don't have any experience or knowledge about it from this life...

            rotfl trust me as soon i saw that post i was about to say one with having 72 virgins... but i just look at ur reply in the bottom ... lem me add a cup of wine with beat music as well... the cup will bring by the the beautiful kid of non muslim who died in young age... lol

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              Peace

              What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?

              Peace

              the pleasure of after life is hidden from eyes , all the events that mention in quran regarding hereafter is imaginary ...

              but just think about this low life how charming this life is ... even everybody every religion know we have to die... but still they want to live forever ... in the old age when people need to select the size and design for the cloth of their dead body they still want to live... rotfl

              in fact when the species look the reward of hereafter they accept the trust without even thinking how hard is the test of life.... so think about it .. the life hereafter will be incredible and everlasting bliss for the righteous...

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                I get all the 'idea' for the 'ideal' as of now are merely based on the experience that I got from this life.
                I will not think about anything or want anything that I don't have any experience or knowledge about it from this life...

                Salaam/Peace Jafar,

                in the Paradise (=Arabic al-Jannat the Garden) promised to all truthful Believers by AL-LAH,

                I strongly believe that there will be many things
                that we already do have real experience or knowledge about it from this life,
                (as we can clearly see it again in those essential Verses in my previous post below)

                and then also many things
                that we do not have any real experience or knowledge about it from this life,

                here thus

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                141- HE is the ONE Who established "Gardens" (="Jannatin") (for you) --in this World--
                trellised and untrellised, and palm trees, and crops with different tastes,
                and olives, and pomegranate (therein), .........


                25- Give good news to those who believe and lead a righteous life that
                they will have "Gardens" (="Jannatin") with flowing streams --in the Hereafter--

                When provided with a provision of fruits therein, they will (remember and) say

                "This is (exactly) what was provided for us previously --(in this World)."

                Because they will (thus) be given it in same/similar (=mutashabihan) manner. .........

                QURAN TESTAMENT 6/141 = 2/25

                Thereby, I strongly believe that
                "Gardens" (="Jannatin") with all their Fruits therein --in the Hereafter--
                that all truthful Believers will be admitted instantly at the time of their normal death here (=16/30-32) will thus be

                as physical/real as "Gardens" (="Jannatin") --in this World--
                with exactly same/similar tasting Fruits therein.

                And (also from Scientific standpoint) it is perfectly plausible now
                that such a (type 1) parallel Universe which is as physical/real as our Universe here
                may actually exist in the farthest corners of our Universe (where the Light cannot even reach here because of the enormous expansion speed
                of our Space-Time, from the very beginning.)

                So, in conclusion, all Humans who have done Good Deeds here and already passed away

                may actually be alive now

                with their perfect Human body/soul (=nafs) that is in exact same DNA make up and thus exactly same/similar even to their fingertips
                therein (=75/3-4),
                which never get older, never get sick, and nothing can never harm them therein (=2/38),

                and they may thus be enjoying the Ultimate Joy/Happiness of attaining the Approval of our Lord AL-LAH therein,
                first of all (10/9-10 = 9/72 = 98/7-8),

                and then, by HIS Immense Mercy and Blessings unto them, they may thus also be tasting all of those wonderful Fruits and Provisions,
                in exact same/similar manner therein,

                in those wonderful "Gardens" (="Jannatin") above

                =QURAN TESTAMENT (6/141 = 2/25) .........

                and then --(I may essentially agree with dear brother/friend Imran in this specific respect above)-- that there may also be many things
                in those "Gardens" (="Jannatin") above
                that we do not have any real experience or knowledge about it from this life,

                in my understanding, here thus

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                15- Only those (people) truly believe in "AyatiNA" (="OUR Signs/Miracles/Verses") who, when they are reminded by them, they fall prostrating,
                and they glorify the Praise of their LORD, and they are not arrogant.

                16- Their sides readily forsake (their) beds, to call on their LORD

                --especially, due to all of those "Signs/Miracles/Verses" on the left side of those "19" coded Tables now here 74/30 = 29/47-- in "Reverence,"
                and --due to all of those "Signs/Miracles/Verses" on the right side of those "19" coded Tables now here 74/30 = 29/49-- in "Serenity,"

                and from Our Provisions to them they give (here =2/215 & 70/24-25 & ...).

                17- So, no human being can never know/comprehend/imagine what (kind of Surprises) are kept hidden for them, as Blissful Delights,
                as a Magnificent-Reward for what they are working for!

                QURAN TESTAMENT 32/15-17

                Remain in peace/salaam.

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                  Ethereal.

                  XD you wont change your mind anytime soon I guess.

                  Anyways, heaven or the world after death would be ideal if my parents and siblings are happy, and if I'm with them then that would be awesome. A sexy hot blonde wouldn't hurt too (I'm an Arab it's in my nature ;P)

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                    XD you wont change your mind anytime soon I guess.

                    Anyways, heaven or the world after death would be ideal if my parents and siblings are happy, and if I'm with them then that would be awesome. A sexy hot blonde wouldn't hurt too (I'm an Arab it's in my nature ;P)

                    You have your choice already.

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                      You have your choice already.

                      I have read alot of your posts on your forum. I even downloaded your work to have a look at it. To be honest you are a brave man .

                      I understand that the secterian teachings of the Quran should not be trusted since they have invented Hadith books and made up lies about God and his Prophets. Your interpretation of the Quran though is on another level, you are claiming the Arabic words have different meanings from what we have been told or what we know.

                      I appreciate you sharing your work.

                      I have Questions. What is God and How do we become angels as you claim? Are you the only one that discovered this? Why would God keep this information from us, a guy like me for example that is just seeking the truth, why so complicated? Who was Prophet Mohamed? If you can please give brief simple answers.

                      Like I said before you are one interesting person. I just hope you dont have any bad intentions or you're not crazy lol.

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                        I have read alot of your posts on your forum. I even downloaded your work to have a look at it. To be honest you are a brave man D.

                        Remember my project is a work in progress and it does not fully resemble the future finished outcome. I was surely brave to make the progress official during development.

                        I understand that the secterian teachings of the Quran should not be trusted since they have invented Hadith books and made up lies about God and his Prophets. Your interpretation of the Quran though is on another level, you are claiming the Arabic words have different meanings from what we have been told or what we know.

                        Yet a majority of definitions in my rendition and interpretation is taken from ancient lexicons and thereby possessing a concrete source. I do have some differences and that is through words like and which I interpret differently. At some point in history these have been switched. I have made comparisons between other languages and their etymology and I stand firm that there is something fishy with traditional Arabic as well as other Semitic languages, and corruption occurred at some point in history. I can confess I do not have concrete evidence of this through a direct source in some literature in Arabic and obviously this bothers me even if I can prove this through circumstantial evidence. Nevertheless contextual analysis of Quran can clearly show my interpretation is correct.

                        I appreciate you sharing your work.

                        Glad someone does.

                        I have Questions.

                        What is God and How do we become angels as you claim?

                        "God" is Rabb in Arabic and it means Foundation or Development in that language, it is like the platform in which we exist, I once morphologically expressed the two letter word to say "Foundation-Giver" and it is quite accurate. Your way to become angel is firstly through the evolution of your Nafs through spirituality which Nafs is merely like an undeveloped seed from the start and the seed must develop under severe delusion (the visible foundation) and the bodily acts like your antagonist made to hamper the growth of the Nafs. The bodily is like weeds that seem to almost grow in order to ruin the chances of a good cultivation. The wise Nafs removes the weeds in order to let the seed grow or otherwise the growing plant will have problems establishing itself to bear fruit. If we say so, the one who manages to bear edible fruit is the one who becomes an angel, and then their roots must not all be of this world. The fruit of this seed is not of this world and the (already established) angels come to pick them up. parable

                        Are you the only one that discovered this?

                        No, Jesus knew too, it is evident in his teaching and he knew exactly what it was about. East Asian spiritual teachers know quite a lot too even if they seem not to know the full meaning of it. And it was once upon a time established knowledge also in Abrahamic lore but corrupted by people who had their own agendas. Moses knew too when he was inspired by Rabb that "I am who I am" concerning "God". Despite this phrase people treat "God" separately. Moses' story is corrupted fairly much and the man never killed a person like presented in the myths but he fled when they conspired against him when he tried to convince people about the truth and it was shown that he was a prophesied messenger. Pharaoh was at that time considered to be "God's" main representative on Earth and Pharaoh saw Moses as a "problem" due to his proclamation. This is why Moses was sent with all sorts of signs to Pharaoh to convince that stubborn man that he possessed nothing of "God" in him due to his being. The presentation was to indicate to people that Pharaoh had no divine support whatsoever and that you only have "God" in you if you are like "God". The belief then was that Pharaoh arose into Pharaoh over and over again in a family that was pure which Pharaoh and his family arrogantly saw as his own. They treated the pharaoh's body with great respect even after death as if he was still alive and placed with him treasures and identity of who he had been. Some superstition was added to it too and it might be that they did not originally build pyramids, we do not know. Each earlier cycle of pharaoh was kept in the pyramids. Personally I think they were more advanced than thinking the treasures were coming with him to an afterlife as they could see his spirit left his body and decay. But there was likely varying parts in history with different conjectures that arose.

                        And Moses basically taught anyone can BE if they ARE. This was Moses teaching before it was corrupted. And 'TO BE' you can be if you are wary of the 10 "stones" (stumbling blocks/preventors) in two pairs that were made, i.e. what is usually called the 'Ten Commandments' today which instruction is a remedy to those stumbling blocks. You probably know about them; "regard your neighbor as yourself", "do not covet your neighbor's things" (do not wish to have what your neighbor has but keep to what you need), "do not be defeating" (Jesus expanded it into "do not even be angry with your brother&quot, "do not commit sexual vanity" (Jesus expanded "do not even look upon a woman with desire&quot. Everything is about being able to combat the instinct. People do not realize everything is about abstaining from the instinctive impulses. It is more a remedy than commandments, but it is an instruction of course.

                        The word Pharaoh ('Feraun&#039 means 'the head' or something similar to that. There seems to have been altruistic pharaohs too before the one in the story of Moses and it may as well been so that Pharaoh was originally divinely sponsored but evil pharaohs came. Each "head" in Egypt was called pharaoh and it does not refer to one of them. It is a root that is connected to a Semitic origin and can be traced into Arabic, so it raises suspicions over how related languages were. The belief of reincarnation of an important religious figure is not only common in that ancient Egyptian belief but Buddha is seen to reincarnate in a pure individual. Buddha and Pharaoh are perhaps not so different in this. Many Christians are awaiting Jesus to come again again too, so they basically hold the same belief in a way. It does have to do with the belief of reincarnation.

                        Moses was in that way a beacon/role model more than a savior, just like any Rasuul is. The ancient story of the Exodus was ever since corrupted greatly into elements of vain worship when it was about being 'Who Is'. Jesus later elaborated upon the teaching and he once again talked the phenomenon of "I AM" and to be, but the corrupted doctrine obviously had a great foothold and they saw it as blasphemous to associate oneself with "God" just as people tell me now in this very forum. This mindset came up with the interpretation of Quran too and it is evident when you read it with the eyes of a sectarian. The truth is the opposite, i.e. that you SHOULD associate yourself with "God", but that is not so easy to know when you are deceived about and . Association should NOT be done with the world and its vanities which are not for your Nafs, but the body autonomously calls you towards it. This driving is called "enter in firmly" in lexicons = Satan. It is not a lie that you should oppose Satan, but Satan is something other than what the sectarians claim. In a modern scientific context you could equal Satan to your instinctive drive, but that was perhaps not the easiest to do in ancient times where they had not started with the science of things. Satan became more of an object and even its own being eventually like a fallen angel. A Nafs that succumbs to Satan is however a fallen angel-to-be or angel-in-training. But Satan as an individual never existed, this claim is false. Your main enemy is your self, or namely your instinct which is contained in the bodily which is not the real you.

                        Why would God keep this information from us, a guy like me for example that is just seeking the truth, why so complicated? If you can please give brief simple answers.

                        The information has not been utterly hidden, but people like you, me and others choose to go for other information (disinformation) and make that information prevalent. These people worsen the delusion into something which will not help people to manage it. Even worse when the people use threats and it seems the god is a really evil one while it was only their worldly portrayal of God you knew and which had no connection to reality. Quran's sectarian interpretation is mostly a book full of threats if you do not do this or that you face eternal punishment, and whatever you do you must not disbelieve in the god or you are forever cursed. Talk about degrading original information. You are continuously affected by this fate for as long as you do not improve yourself, but it is not eternal. You will either fail until you do not exist and then later being terminated for good or you will find simple BE, no strings attached. "To be or not to be is the question", Hamlet said.

                        Of course, "God" could make the matter simple, but it was not supposed to be simple but actually quite challenging. The expression through the whole time was to be sound and well and at peace with your mind, but people seek not the right path. Employ logic and wisdom. One must see things for what would seem plausible and not things which would seem logically absurd. This traditional version of why "God" created Heaven and Earth is not logically sound because if it was to keep a "pet farm" with no produce it is completely illogical and forgive me for saying it but retarded. "God" does have a purpose with the creation and with the development of the minds of people and there is a reward for managing to do so under the severe delusion that the world imposes. This is a "farm" which is expected to have a produce, not one kept for entertainment by a sadistic dictator deity. You were created for a purpose, and it is a quite noble one too, not like the lowly purpose of being a mindless slave worth less than cattle on a farm. Trust me, brother, you have been created for something great, you just must enable yourself for that achievement or else you may face termination eventually when "God" decides no more good will come out of the "farm" and which day has been called "the Judgment Day" through all this time. They even testified to the Judgment Day in Sumerian writings which are thousands of years old. Yes, this place is a like a garden where a certain seed must be enabled to grow or else it will wither and die, but each Nafs has its own little garden, if you know what I mean... This is the garden in references from ancient parables and there was never any kind of "paradise". The word paradise is a fabrication. Jannat means a "bodily entity" from the root word Jiim-Nun-Nun

                        = Jiim-Nun-Nun (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
                        Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.
                        Spiritual beings that conceal themselves from the senses (including angels), become weak and abject, greater part of mankind, devil/demon, people who are peerless having no match or equal, a being who is highly potent, sometimes refers to Kings because they are concealed from the common folk

                        I.e. Al-Jinn is the covering (the bodily) and Jannateh is an object of covering.

                        And your destiny is Al-Asema which is the Void and usually symbolizes the skies (remember Heaven) and is an empty space, i.e. it has no mass. Your future is thus ethereal. Yet sectarians have conjectured something else and people are arguing against me on this. Morphologically the word Asema something like "Be Siin Not", i.e. it morphologically means that it lacks something. The of the word refers to 'negative'. The question is what the Siin is supposed to symbolize, I have researched a lot. It could be I have been wrong in theorizing it to be Spirit, so it could be Attribute, i.e. Attribute Not, has no attribute since it is just an empty void. My precision in knowing the letters' innate meaning is a work on progress like everything else, but I am certainly closer than anyone has been for over a thousand years of those who have never even been looking actively whether the letters carry their own meaning. The author of Quran meant for a reader to reflect upon the lonely letters that initiate 14 of the chapters and reach the conclusion they are supposed to be used included into the context and a hint to the secret behind the language itself. If Siin is Attribute it explains why it is used in 'Esm' which is used to talk about someone's name/attribute/condition. "Be Attribute Therefrom" + Name/Characteristic. Se-La-M therefor is in direct reference to "God" on morpheme level, i.e. "Attribute Such Therefrom". It is similar to "Ay-La-M" "Gain Such Therefrom" which is in reference to what you know and what you can manage to perceive of the world. I have discovered that every Arabic word is always in direct relationship to "God".

                        It is not so difficult to figure everything of this out, it just takes thinking "outside of the box".

                        Who was Prophet Mohamed?

                        One was an impostor, that is what I know, whether he lived for sure or was a myth I do not know. However I received information that there is a Muhammad, but I do not know when he lived.

                        Like I said before you are one interesting person. I just hope you dont have any bad intentions or you're not crazy lol.

                        Not at all. I just have a wholehearted mission to help people help themselves out of their delusion and the world which is an illusion and an afterlife which is not some primitive fleshly paradise. In fact my will in doing this is not my own but of what sent me. Not sure if I can resist. I trust my being.

                        Be well
                        Amenuel

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                          Man of Faith what makes you think that the Mohammad we know is an imposter ?

                          Peace

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                            Man of Faith what makes you think that the Mohammad we know is an imposter ?

                            Peace

                            Through his unrighteousness and improper lifestyle of a prophet. What kind of prophets use the main part of a scripture to speak about God's war against disbelievers rather than something which is spiritually nurturing?

                            On the other hand in the Biblical Gospels Jesus is seen abhorring the same. One of the 'Ten Commandments' says "do not defeat" (do not kill = qatel, but it does not mean kill but to defeat). Jesus elaborated upon it to say "do not even be angry with your brother".

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                              Man of faith, you said God is a foundation giver or a platform for development. Then who created us? Why does the Quran tell us not to worship anything else? Why does the Quran give the greatest attributes to God? Why is polytheism one of the greatest sins? Do you believe we should worship him? When we become angels will we be servants, because I feel you are trying to say we become equal to God, right?

                              Also like hansolo said, why imposter? Hadith books are made up right, so he was a great person to be sent the Quran.

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                                Man of faith, you said God is a foundation giver or a platform for development.

                                Yes.

                                Then who created us?

                                Those who are contained in Rabb already as angels/managers/controllers, e.g. Gabriel and Michael, but it is more accurate to say your Foundation initiated you.

                                Why does the Quran tell us not to worship anything else?

                                Quran does not say "worship" when it uses the word "ay-be-da" () but it means "devote" and refers to be devoted to whatever cause. If you can find the word for worship in a positive light I will give you a medal.

                                Why does the Quran give the greatest attributes to God?

                                Because God is of great encompassing. But the sectarian interpreters choose the wrong phrase to use to say "God is greater", but they should have used the root

                                Ayn-Za-Miim = great, important, big, regard, honour, mighty, glorious, a man of moment, All-mighty, All-glorious, grievous, bounty/abounding, magnify/increase. azzama - to make great.

                                And Quran does not use the word Allah to refer to God but Rabb is the word . Allah could be you or me, it refers to someone 'Who Is'.

                                Why is polytheism one of the greatest sins?

                                Because that was the opinion of the medieval interpreters who sought to make a doctrine towards what they considered blasphemous. They forced the writing to condemn association which it does not but actually encourages it. If you compare the above "Allahu akabar" you can clearly see that they could not have known much about the language.

                                Do you believe we should worship him?

                                No. What use does God have from our worship? Is he a worldly dictator king who could be admired by such act? The only commitment for us is to evolve ourselves into God's likeness.

                                When we become angels will we be servants, because I feel you are trying to say we become equal to God, right?

                                You are not entirely understanding me properly. God encompasses more than you and me together, but we can have power through God and we are not considered like minions. There is no real hierarchy but you are what you are and evolve to become.

                                Also like hansolo said, why imposter? Hadith books are made up right, so he was a great person to be sent the Quran.

                                Despite that, he is not portrayed in any enlightening way by the sectarian interpretation of Quran.

                                Be well
                                Amenuel

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                                  Worship no one but the one Lord of the Universe, the God of all mankind and everything within the Earth and Universe both visible and that beyond the realms of perception (6102)

                                  Do not set up any God, idol, or anything else along with the worship of God. Worship him alone with no partners or intercessors (1739)

                                  Following your desires and your lusts over God's laws are akin to idol worship and following your desires is tantamount to setting up rivals with your Lord (2543)

                                  Do not follow your forefathers blindly (2170)

                                  Do not follow your leaders and religious guides blindly (3367; 931)

                                  Verify information for yourself (1736) Do not be led like the cattle (7179)

                                  Establish regular prayers, enjoin good and kindness and forbid the doing of wrong (3117; 177

                                  Spend in time of plenty and also in time of hardship (3134)
                                  Restrain your anger and forgive others (3134)

                                  Help the needy, the oppressed, the destitute, orphans, the hungry, enjoin patience, self restraint, kindness and compassion (90.11-1

                                  Do not abuse or revile other people's God's or Deities (610

                                  Do not covet (crave / desire with envy) with respect to what has been given to others by God (432; 1588; 20131)
                                  Do not distinguish between any of God's messengers (2285)

                                  Do not slander or backbite (4112; 4912; 6012)

                                  Do not laugh at each other with the purpose of mocking or defaming each other (4911)
                                  Do not be sarcastic to one another (4911)
                                  Do not call each other by offensive nicknames (4911)

                                  Avoid suspicion as much as possible as in some cases this can be a sin (4912)
                                  Do not assign piety to yourselves or to other people. You will never know who is really pious. This knowledge is only with God (5332)

                                  Stand up against injustice, even if it means you have to go against yourselves, your parents, kinsfolk, the rich and poor (4135)

                                  At all times, keep a subdued voice and don't communicate in a harsh or loud voice (3119)
                                  Bear in patience whatever may befall you (3117)

                                  Don't come near to adultery and watch matters that can lead to adultery (1732)
                                  Do not rob or steal (538-39; 6012)

                                  Listen to Quran when it is recited, so you may learn from it and God's mercy may be shown to you (7204)
                                  Do not refuse small kindnesses, like a smile, a good word, (1071-7)

                                  Speak a gentle word, even to your enemies (2044)

                                  Only fight in self defence. Never as aggressors (2190-194) ( A Message of Peace or to Live by the Sword?)

                                  Be charitable and pay the poor their due (Numerous references throughout the Quran)

                                  Do not cover truth with falsehood or mix them together, nor conceal the Truth when you know what it is (242)

                                  Do not become divided and break yourself into sects (3103)
                                  Do not use compulsion in religion (2256) (Forced Faith is No Faith)

                                  Consult each other in all affairs (religious or otherwise) (4238 656; 3159) (Consultation)

                                  Don't turn your face away from people in false pride and don't walk proudly on the earth. God does not like people who are self conceited and act in a boastful manner (3118; 1737)

                                  Never kill anyone unjustly unless for causes under established law. Unfortunately, if this happens, the heir have rights of retribution, but just retribution. They too need to be aware of not to transgress (1733)

                                  guys before looking anywhere lets see first what is here... in most of the cases the verses are giving answers of all of your questions...

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                                    Man of Faith what makes you think that the Mohammad we know is an imposter ?

                                    Peace

                                    1400 years ago people ask similar type of questions... here the answer...?

                                    532 Your honored companion is neither in error, nor is he misled
                                    533 Nor does he speak from personal desire.
                                    534 It is a divine inspiration.
                                    535 He has been taught by One mighty in power.
                                    536 Free from any defect, he became stable.

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                                      XD you wont change your mind anytime soon I guess.

                                      Anyways, heaven or the world after death would be ideal if my parents and siblings are happy, and if I'm with them then that would be awesome. A sexy hot blonde wouldn't hurt too (I'm an Arab it's in my nature ;P)

                                      Parents and siblings to be happy ? You can forget about that. There is a Quran verse that says that the family-ties are gone on the Day of judgement we will forget about our family and not ask for our family on the day of judgement. We would only see our fellow believers as a family. I am sorry bro.

                                      Sad story but it makes sense. The family-ties only exists for survival on earth, it is not a necessary thing in the afterlife. Feel sorry for the hadith-believers who think they have to pray and sing from the Quran to get their deceased familymembers to paradise.... lol

                                      When the horn is blown, no family relations will exist between them on that day, nor will they ask about one another.

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                                        Parents and siblings to be happy ? You can forget about that. There is a Quran verse that says that the family-ties are gone on the Day of judgement we will forget about our family and not ask for our family on the day of judgement. We would only see our fellow believers as a family. I am sorry bro.

                                        Sad story but it makes sense. The family-ties only exists for survival on earth, it is not a necessary thing in the afterlife. Feel sorry for the hadith-believers who think they have to pray and sing from the Quran to get their deceased familymembers to paradise.... lol

                                        When the horn is blown, no family relations will exist between them on that day, nor will they ask about one another.

                                        Isn't 23101 only talking about the ties that a concealer has? (Taking 2399-100 into consideration)

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                                          Parents and siblings to be happy ? You can forget about that. There is a Quran verse that says that the family-ties are gone on the Day of judgement we will forget about our family and not ask for our family on the day of judgement. We would only see our fellow believers as a family. I am sorry bro.

                                          Sad story but it makes sense. The family-ties only exists for survival on earth, it is not a necessary thing in the afterlife. Feel sorry for the hadith-believers who think they have to pray and sing from the Quran to get their deceased familymembers to paradise.... lol

                                          When the horn is blown, no family relations will exist between them on that day, nor will they ask about one another.

                                          That verse doesnt say that so please stop messing around with the translation.

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