What is your "IDEAL" afterlife would be like ?

Man_of_Faith

You would call Moses taken his ego as partner when "God" was with him during the Exodus. "God" was with Moses through his whole life. Do you say Jesus had taken his ego as partner when he said "I am in the abbu and the abbu is in me"?

Ego is when you are egotistical, but I am not egotistical. There is nothing wrong in having a strong person and mind.

The whole Islam sect doctrine is from yourselves and your friends the clergymen of medieval times who gave you the interpretation of Quran in which you believe and it does not help anyone to manage except to belittle themselves. "God" allowed you to have an individuality and you are yourself aware that you have a frame/window towards the world in your body and this is your identity. This identity is projected by "God" who runs everything and as you can see in your body you can do virtually anything in either direction, i.e. good or bad, which means you are in control of your actions. You are a separated "platform", separated consciously from the consciousness of "God" for testing, but this is your delusion and your origin is not separate.

There is nothing wrong in associating oneself with "God", absolutely nothing wrong at all and that is what "God" wishes as an outcome to this testing. Worship is among instincts and we know that the instincts must be shunned. Why do you worship in the first place? To thank for a world that would test your ability? The best way to thank someone for your existence is to be helpful in return and the way you are helpful in this is by developing your mind/person as intended. Flatter someone only works for a primitive humanly king and "God" will not be flattered.

Be well
Amenuel

Man_of_Faith

(*And please, do not reply here to needlessly disrupt and distract me here, anymore, because
your line of thought is already clearly and unmistakably understood here, and you already said here all whatever you wanted to say.
You may freely continue to write whatever you want to write in all of those other threads here in this Forum.

Fair enough. I did not ask nor address you but you decided yourself to write your messages in return to me. I had stopped replying to you after your instinctive emotional weak outburst from the Satan.

Because I want to continue without any disruption or distraction here

Was it not you who wrote about ego and me? Now that sounds incredibly egotistical. To this thread you are not the OP to and you are the one disrupting by your massive amounts of disinformation that I have barely been responding to but ignored.

--(after seeing those crystal clear Verses with regard to that most essential Word "RABB" in my previous post above,

Ra-Ba-Ba = to be a lord and master, collect, possess/owner, rule, increase, complete, bring up, preserve, chief, guardian, regulator, determiner, caretaker, provider, sustainer, perfecter, rewarder, creator, maintainer, reposer of properties, developer, former of rules and laws of the growth, foster a thing in such a manner as to make it attain one condition after another until it reaches its goal of completion, the bringing a thing to a state of completion by degrees, whoever possesses a thing is it's rabb.

Definitions made bold include what the word means linguistically. An Arabic word does only have one general meaning and cannot mean two opposite things or what deviates too much from each meaning.

Be well
Amenuel

LastDay3

Fair enough. I did not ask nor address you but you decided yourself to write your messages in return to me.
I had stopped replying to you after your instinctive "emotional weak outburst" from the Satan.

"Man of Faith" says Quran does not use the word ALLAH to refer to GOD .......

ALLAH could be you or "Me", it refers to "SomeOne" 'Who Is'.

Salaam/Peace MoF,

due to the Fact that in your false and imaginary Quran --(you concocted it under the influence of Iblees/Satan based on
those weird lexicons and your horrendous fabricating attempts therein)-- you think that thus ALLAH is "You"
(see it in the above quote) in your such false and imaginary Quran therein,

(*Because when Iblees/Satan distorts the clear and perfect Meaning of the Verses of QURAN,
it immediately turns into such a false and imaginary Quran therein, concocted under the influence of Iblees/Satan therein,
which should absolutely be avoided by all truthful Believers here

QURAN TESTAMENT 16/98-99-100 = 3/78 = 6/71, 112-113
*So please, absolutely see each of these Verses above, clearly and openly delivered in those previous posts above.)

so there is no surprise for me here --(with such a horrendously mistaken/wrongful assumption, due to your hugely inflated ego, and such
a deeply sick state of mind)--

(*you should not take this as a personal attack, MoF, because you are always my dear brother/friend as a Person,
and I will always truly love and care for you even till the end of this World as a Person,
but also I have to tell you the things as it is, as a best Brother/Friend to you here,
because unfortunately, this is the true diagnosis/description of your state of mind above, right now)

therefore, you still wrongfully/mistakenly consider everyone who delivers
the crystal clear Verses of True and Authentic QURAN TESTAMENT

sent down by our Lord AL-LAH for the Eternal Salvation of all of us here (7/196 = 5/16)

which clearly and unmistakably expose your horrendously mistaken/wrongful state of mind and your such
satanic nonsense above,

as instinctive "emotional weak outburst" from the Satan !!!

in your quote above.

(This is more than Funny again, this is TRAGIC.)

So I do not want to waste anymore time here by replying to your such satanic nonsense above based on
your weird lexicons and horrendously wrongful/mistaken misinterpretations therein,

because you have already clearly made all of these points in your posts above,
throughout this thread, again and again, and also in all over your posts throughout this Forum,

and I have already delivered all of those crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT which
absolutely refute and totally reject all of your such horrendously wrongful/mistaken assumptions therein above.

So after reminding what I have sincerely and truthfully said to you in my previous post here,
I want to directly continue on my Way here

So due to this Perfect Commandment of our Lord AL-LAH in this respect here (25/43 = 17/64 = 6/71, 112-113),
--(*please, absolutely see all of these Verses above, as each of them are clearly and openly delivered
in all previous posts above)--

I will totally disregard you, dear fellow/friend MoF, and continue here to clearly see The TRUTH in every Issue
in all of those most straightforward, clear, and perfect Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT here (6/114 = 5/16 = 15/1 = 18/1-3).

You may still have time and opportunity in this Life to truly repent and wholeheartedly return to AL-LAH
in this most beautiful and rightful manner here (=25/68-69-70-71, 72-73-74-75-76),

but if you are not willing to do it
and still choose to never resist to your ego and all of those satanic instincts upon you above (17/64 = 6/71, 112-113)
ultimately, at the very end of your normal life-span here, you may thus regret it forever (=4/17-1.

So, after seeing those crystal clear Verses with regard to that most essential Word "RABB"
in my previous post above,

we shall see those crystal clear Verses now with regard to this most essential Word "ILAH"
in the next post, tomorrow, inshaAL-LAH,

and then also continue here for a specific period of time, day by day, with all other most essential Words thereafter.

Thank you very much for your understanding.

Remain in peace/salaam.

LastDay3

Salaam/Peace to All,

so let us clearly see here this most essential and important Word "ILAH" (="GOD") in the QURAN TESTAMENT,
and its meaning

---One and Only "AUTHORITY" to WHOM belong All-Praise (=Al-Hamd) and "All-Judgment" (="Al-Hukm")
in the Past and in the Future, from the Eternity to the Eternity, forever---

is thus unmistakably and perfectly taught to us by our Lord AL-LAH therein,
now here thus

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70- And HE is AL-LAH, there is no "ILAH" (="GOD") except HE. (Thereby), to HIM belongs All-Praise (=Al-Hamd)
in the Past and in the Future, and to HIM belongs "All-Judgment" (="Al-Hukm"); ........

26- ...... And HE (=AL-LAH) does not make-Partner (=la yushriku) anyone in HIS "Judgment" (="Al-Hukm")!

QURAN TESTAMENT 28/70 = 18/26

Therefore, those who will obey exclusively and only all "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot of AL-LAH

--(all "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot of AL-LAH
are thus perfectly written in QURAN TESTAMENT, thoroughly and clearly therein 6/114 = "4/65 = 105" = 24/51)--

and do never set up anyone else as a "Partner" to AL-LAH in HIS "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot
are thus truthful Believers who have taken AL-LAH

as their One and Only "GOD" (="ILAH") above, in the very first place (28/70 = 18/26)!

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21- Or do they have "Partners" (="Shurakaa") who decree for them --("Judgments" = "Hukm&quot-- in Religion, though AL-LAH
has never permitted it! (*as we have clearly witnessed it in the above Verse, in the first place 18/26)

31- (And) they have taken their "Religious Leaders" and "Scholars" to be "LORDS" (="ARBABAN&quot besides AL-LAH.
And (others also deified) the Messiah son of Mary.
Yet they were commanded to serve but One "GOD" (="ILAH"). (Because) there is no "GOD" (="ILAH") but HE.

So, Glorified is HE from all that they ascribe (to HIM) as "Partners" (="Shurakaa") --in HIS "Judgments,"

*as we clearly see it in the above Verse 42/21 = 18/26 therein, in the first place.)

QURAN TESTAMENT 42/21 = 9/31

Therefore, those who would follow such "Religious Leaders" and "Scholars" who decree extra "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot --outside of
the SCRIPTURE (Which perfectly consists of all "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot of AL-LAH,
thoroughly and clearly therein 6/114 = 4/105 & 5/44-45 & 5/46-47)--

are thus untruthful believers who have taken those "Religious Leaders" and "Scholars"

as false "LORDS" (="ARBABAN&quot and false "GODS" (="ALIHATAN&quot besides AL-LAH above (42/21 = 9/31)!

Because these "Religious Leaders" and "Scholars" should have rightfully been
--(not false "LORDS" = "RABB" and not false "GODS" = "ALIHATAN")--

but rightfully true "Servants of AL-LAH" (="Rabbani")

by judging among the people exclusively and only by the "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot of AL-LAH herein

=QURAN TESTAMENT 3/79 = 5/44 & ....

** all "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot of AL-LAH are thus perfectly written in the SCRIPTURE, thoroughly and clearly therein
5/44-45 = 5/46-47 = 5/48-49, 68 = 6/114 = 4/105

but because that these kind of "Religious Leaders" and "Scholars" above
have thus wrongfully claimed to be "Partners" (="Shurakaa&quot to AL-LAH in HIS "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot, first of all,

and thereby, they thus decreed extra "Judgments" (="Hukm&quot --outside of the SCRIPTURE sent down
by AL-LAH therein above 42/21 X 18/26 = 4/105 = 6/114--

and thereupon they thus also wrongfully claimed themselves to be
a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH (=43/15) --(by claiming that they were HIS Own "Children" therein! =5/18)--

they have thus blasphemously claimed themselves to be false "LORDS" (="RABB") and false "GODS" (="ILAH")

besides AL-LAH above (42/21 = 9/31),

instead of rightfully being such true "Servants of AL-LAH" (="Rabbani") therein (3/79 = 5/44), in the first place.

So finally, let us also clearly see again this most essential and important Verse, in this respect above,
here again thus

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43- Have you seen the One who has taken his ego (=in Arabic hawahu) as his "GOD" (="ILAH&quot (by claiming that
he "himself" could be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15).

Can you ever be an advocate over him (to guide or save him)?
(*especially, when/if he willfully chooses to obey that Satanic urge upon him and continue to rely on "his ego" above.)

44- Or do you think that most of them ---(who would blindly follow such egotistic Persons,
as there were and still are (and probably will always be) many such egotistic Persons, even till the end of this World here, who wrongfully claim
"themselves" to be AL-LAH, or a "partner" of AL-LAH, or a "portion/share/piece/part" of AL-LAH (=43/15)---
hear or comprehend?

They are just like livestock (=i.e. they would act in "herd mentality" under the "spiritual Leadership" of such egotistic Persons above).
Indeed, they are (thus) farthest astray --(when/if they willfully choose to obey this satanic urge upon them (17/64 = 6/71, 112-113)
till the very end of their normal life-span here 4/17-18).

QURAN TESTAMENT 25/43

Remain in peace/salaam.

LastDay3

Salaam/Peace to All,

so now let us clearly see those two groups (i.e. "Ins" = "Humans" & "Jinn" = "Invisible-Ones&quot in QURAN TESTAMENT,

=who are they,
=when and why were they created,
=where will they go after this worldly Life here?

First of all, we can clearly see that "Jinn" (="Invisible-Ones&quot were created by our Lord AL-LAH
even before (=qablu) HIS creation of "Ins" (="Humans&quot, in the beginning.

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26- And We have created the "Human" (="Insan&quot from earth-mud (=i.e. from all of those "essential elements" present in earth crust
therein), from aged sediments (therein).

27- And the "Invisible-One" (="Jann" = Ancestor of all "Jinns&quot We created him before that (=min qablu) from an infusing "fire"
(=i.e. a totally invisible form of infusing "light-energy&quot.

*so due to the fact that these "Jinns" can never be seen by Human eye here (=7/27)
hence they are called "Jinns" (=Invisible-Ones);
for example, the same root verb (="janna&quot is used to refer to "covering of the night" which instantly make
all things around "invisible" therein 6/76)

QURAN TESTAMENT 15/26-27

*In this respect, we should also certainly know that it is now also Scientifically perfectly plausible
that in a World (of more dimensions than those three we can perceive here right now)
such invisible creatures can be around us, all the time, without our perceiving them.
As also we never perceive that "dark energy" for example, which makes up at least "seventy percent" of our Universe.

And then we can clearly see that those "Jinns" (=Invisible-Ones) above are direct descendants of Iblees/Satan,
as all "Ins" (="Humans&quot are direct descendants of Adam, here thus

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50- And We said to the Angels "Yield to Adam." So they all yielded except for Iblees/Satan, (consequently) he became of the "Jinn"
(=i.e. Ancestor of all "Jinns" therein), because he (thus) disobeyed the Order of his LORD.

So will you still take him and his "descendants" (="dhurriyyatahu"

= all "Jinns" (=Invisible-Ones) that are thus clearly described as "descendants" of that Ancestor "Jinn" = Iblees/Satan above

as allies besides ME, while they are your enemy? Miserable for the transgressors is the substitute!

62- Iblees/Satan said (to AL-LAH) therein
Shall I show YOU this one (=Adam) whom YOU have honored over me, that if YOU respite me until the Day of Resurrection,
I will seize his "descendants" (="dhurriyyatahu"

= all "Ins" (=Humans) that are thus clearly described as "descendants" of that Ancestor "Human" = Adam above

except for a few.

QURAN TESTAMENT 18/50 & 17/62

We will continue tomorrow, when/if we have got enough time, inshaAL-LAH.
So all dear Members (Brothers & Sisters) of this Forum, please, do not reply here,
because after we have perfectly seen all of those crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT,
in this regard above,
you can always come back and reply here as much as you want, if you have any comments, questions, or objections therein.
Thank you very much for your understanding.

Remain in peace/salaam.

LastDay3

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56- AL-LAH said And I have not created the "Jinns" (=i.e. "Invisible-Ones" all descendants of Iblees/Satan
as we have clearly seen it in this Verse above 18/50)

and the "Ins" (=i.e. "Humans" all descendants of Adam
as we have clearly seen it in this Verse above 17/62)

but that they serve ME Alone --(=i.e. serving AL-LAH by never setting up any "Partners" to HIM therein =13/36)!

(i.e. never claiming that Jesus or any other "Human" or "Jinn" was a "Partner" of AL-LAH,
or a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH therein, never, at all 43/15 = 5/17-1

57- (For) I never require of them any Provision, and I never require (of them) that they feed ME.
(*Because our Lord AL-LAH feeds everyone but HE Himself never needs any food whatsoever at all =6/14)

58- (For), verily, AL-LAH Himself is The Provider, The Possessor of The Supreme Power!

QURAN TESTAMENT 51/56-58

In this regard, now we can clearly see that

some of the "Jinns" and the "Humans" still reject to serve AL-LAH Alone above (=51/56)
and instead they set up "Partners" to AL-LAH,

and some of the "Jinns" and the "Humans" truly accept to serve AL-LAH Alone above (=51/56)
and they never set up "Partners" to AL-LAH,

here thus

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1- Say It has been pointed out to me that a group of "Jinns" (=i.e. those Invisible-Ones" above)
(came near to me) listening. And they said "We have listened a magnificent QURAN!"

2- It guides to what is Correct, so we have believed in it;
so henceforth, we will never set up anyone as a "Partner" to our LORD!

3- Because Exalted is the Majesty of our LORD, HE has never taken a "Spouse" and never a "Son"
--(to be a "Partner" to HIM, or a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" to HIM, never, at all 43/15 = 5/17-1!

4- But the foolish among us uttered such nonsense about AL-LAH --(by wrongfully claiming that
Jesus and all other "Humans" and "Jinns" were a "Partner" of AL-LAH,
or/and a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH, individually and also all together, therein 43/15 = 5/17-1!

5- And we had thought that the "Humans" and the "Jinns" could/would never utter such gross lies about AL-LAH.

11- And a group of "Jinns" (=i.e. those "Invisible-Ones" above again) said
And among us are those who are Good Doers, and some of us are below/other than that (=i.e. Evil Doers);
we are in many paths.

(Thus, although all of these "Jinns" (=i.e. "Invisible-Ones&quot are thus direct descendants of Iblees/Satan above,
as we have clearly seen it in this Verse above 18/50)-- some or many of them can still repent and return to AL-LAH
to be such Good Doers here (=72/13-14);

but likewise, although all of these "Ins" (=i.e. "Humans&quot are thus direct descendants of Adam above,
as we have clearly seen it in this Verse above 17/62)-- some or many of them can still go astray and turn away from AL-LAH
to be such Evil Doers here (=19/58-59);

12- Those "Jinns" (=i.e. those "Invisible-Ones" above again) said
And we have fully understood that we can never defy AL-LAH on the Earth, and we can never defy HIM in nowhere/no way at all.

13- So, when we heard the "Guidance" (="Huda" "19" coded,
most Superb and matchless "SYMMETRICAL MIRACLES" which is thus specifically called "Guidance" (="Huda&quot
here, in the first place 39/23 = 74/26-30, 31)--- we have believed in it.

So (in this Final Age now) whoever believes in his/her LORD, then he/she will never fear
--due to his/her strong belief and Good Deeds on the left side of those "19" coded Tables here now-- any "injustice,"
and --due to his/her strong belief and Good Deeds on the right side of those "19" coded Tables here now-- any "affliction!"

QURAN TESTAMENT 72/1-5, 11-13

We will continue tomorrow, when/if we have got the chance, inshaAL-LAH.
So all dear Members (Brothers & Sisters) of this Forum, please, do not reply here,
because after we have perfectly seen all of those crystal clear Verses of QURAN TESTAMENT,
in this regard (=i.e. "Humans" & "Jinns&quot above,
you can always come back and reply here as much as you want, if you have any comments,
questions, or objections therein.
Thank you very much for your understanding.

Remain in peace/salaam.

Man_of_Faith

LastDay3,

Have you paid attention to that the thread is about how your ideal afterlife would be like?

LastDay3

LastDay3,

Have you paid attention to that the thread is about how your ideal afterlife would be like?

Salaam-Peace to All, and MoF,

Sorry, I couldn't come back for a few days,

yes, I still wholeheartedly pay attention to that and think/hope that I'm still (directly / indirectly) right on Topic here,
and if I get the chance will continue in this Way, inshaAL-LAH, for some time.
But anyway, thank you very much, dear fellow/friend MoF, for your reminder.

So let's continue on our Way and see these most essential and important Verses, in this respect,
now here thus

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118- Had your LORD so willed, HE could have made all humankind (forcefully) one single community (of believers here 10/99),

--(but HE never willed to use force on them but instead HE has granted them free will)--

(but, alas), they do not cease to dispute/oppose/fight (=mukhtalifeen) --(against HIS Scripture here 2/176).

119- Except whom your LORD has Mercy upon --(because of their true and strong belief in HIS Scripture here 29/47-49)--
and for this (Test) HE has created them.

And (thus) the Word of your LORD has (already) been perfectly-issued

I will fill Hell with the "Jinns" (=i.e. those direct descendants of Iblees/Satan above 18/50)
and the "People" (=i.e. those direct descendants of Adam above 17/62), all together!

--(especially, when/if they continue to wrongfully/blasphemously claim that
Jesus or Ezra and all "Humans" and "Jinns" were a "Partner" or a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH
therein, according to their such wrongful/blasphemous claim (43/15 = 5/17-18 = 9/30),

as we have clearly seen it in these Verses =72/1-6 in that previous post above.)

(*Thus only such wrongful and wicked "Jinns" and "Humans" above will be the dwellers of Hell,
because of their such wrongful/blasphemous claim above and the consequent tyranny and evil they have done in the past
(for example the ferocious atrocities and torture inflicted upon millions of innocent people by Catholic Church and
their Crusades in the previous Centuries),
and in the present (for example also many such "false Messiahs" like Jim Jones and David Koresh etc. and the tyranny and evil they have
inflicted upon their gullible followers, all because of their own megalomaniac, deeply sick minds by claiming "themselves" to be
a "Partner" or a "Portion/Share/Piece/Part" of AL-LAH
therein again (43/15 = 5/17-18 = 9/30)---

when/if they never repent and return to AL-LAH in this rightful manner here 25/68-71 & 5/72-74
till the very end of their normal life-span here 4/17-18

So therefore, we can also lawfully infer that all other "creatures" and "animals" may thus be the dwellers of Paradise,
together with all of those truthful and intelligent and humble and peaceful "Jinns" and "Humans" here (=72/1-5, 13-14),
in the Hereafter, by the Immense Grace and Compassion of AL-LAH unto all of them therein 6/38 & 55/37-60).

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37- (At the time of the Hour here 54/1-3 = 21/1-2) when the Sky is torn, and becomes rose/red like paint.

38- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

39- On that Day, no "Human" or "Jinn" will be asked of his/her faults.

40- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

41- (Because) the guilty will be recognized by their features (=40/19 & 47/30 & ...), and they will be taken
by the forelocks and the feet.

42- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

43- This is Hell that the guilty used to deny --(the existence of it, or the necessity of it, or the inevitability of it, etc.).

44- They will have to move between it (=Hell) and between a suffocating Humidity/Inferno
(=due to their such ferocious atrocities and such bombing and burning they constantly inflicted upon
innocent here, (=40/17, 40)
and when/if they never repented thereafter 85/4-10).

45- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

46- And for the one who revere the Majesty of his/her LORD, there will be Two Gardens.

47- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

48- Full of provisions.

49- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

50- In them are two Springs, flowing.

51- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

52- In them will be of every Fruit, in pairs --(some of which may look and taste essentially similar/same, in some aspects,
as we have been granted it, already in this World here 2/25)

53- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

54- While reclining upon high-furnishings lined with wonderful-satin, the fruits of the Two Gardens are within reach.

55- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

56- In them are those (attendants) who restrain (their) gaze (from all others, to give all of their attention and care
for each of those --male or female-- dwellers of Paradise therein), no human and no jinn never communicated with them (=those
attendants) before.

57- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

58- They look like (as pure/magnificent/clean as) gems and coral.

59- So which of the Favors of your LORD can you two (="Humans" and "Jinns&quot deny?

60- Because the Reward for (such) Most Beautiful Deeds (=Ihsan / Muhsin here 39/33-35) will absolutely be
(such) Most Beautiful Reward (=Ihsan / Hasunat there 25/75-76)!

QURAN TESTAMENT 55/37-60

Remain in peace/salaam.

Jafar

For some it is something like this

https//www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Nahed-Hattar-cartoon74.jpg

Note The author of the above cartoon was murdered last month..

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahed_Hattar

Man_of_Faith

Tsk. Murdered because he draws an accurate picture of how it will be as according to Islam quite literally in the sectarian interpretation of Quran.

imrankhawaja

28 And from the people are those who say "We believe in God and in the Last Day," but they are not believers.
29 They seek to deceive God and those who acknowledge, but they only deceive themselves without noticing.
210 In their hearts is a disease, so God increases their disease, and they will have a painful retribution for what they have denied.
211 And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they answer, "We are but improving things!"
212 No, they are the evildoers, but they do not perceive.
213 And if they are told "Believe, as the people have believed," they say "Shall we believe like the foolish have believed?" No, they are the foolish but they do not know.

defination of hypocrate kaffir... according to quran... kaffir usually show his colors by his actions...

apart from this,, a wise person respect every religion , even if they claim monkey can b god... still a beleiver respect his feelings...

i condemn what happen to that person.. but he was just playing with fire when he already know there are people who are emotional , so he just invite his own death by painting all this...

opposite side of coin his family members were wishing alas he never made this so he would be alive today...

now instead of getting lesson from this incident people like MOF just showing their true nature by critising Quran again and again without any proof...

i think last day was right he is deluded in his ego so much and shamelessly blame/critise quran without any proof... in every thread...

although i exposed him plantey of times...
but here is another appraoch again,,, if he find the portrait got any relevance with teaching of quran i would be happy atleast he is bringing proof inside his discussion...

i decided not to talk with him... two days ago, but its really difficult sometimes to ignore some people who continously utter nonsense about quran without any proof...

Jafar

i condemn what happen to that person.. but he was just playing with fire when he already know there are people who are emotional , so he just invite his own death by painting all this...

And so does Abraham when he destroyed multitude of idols..
Infact he was convicted with death by fire..

And so does Jesus when he condemned the Rabbis...
And he was convicted with death by crucifixion..

Religious people shows a consistent attitude throughout the ages..

imrankhawaja

And so does Abraham when he destroyed multitude of idols..
Infact he was convicted with death by fire..

And so does Jesus when he condemned the Rabbis...
And he was convicted with death by crucifixion..

Religious people shows a consistent attitude throughout the ages..

when you put your hand in fire , it will burn you...
when you put your hand in fire with gloves fireproof , fire will not harm you...
when you fire a fire to making fire everything eventually your own house will also get burn with that fire...

first need to understand what type of fire and what purpose of fire somebody creating...

whats common in abraham/jesus and this person... who get killed...
are both parties are making fun of God?

Jafar

whats common in abraham/jesus and this person... who get killed...
are both parties are making fun of God?

Yes..
Abe and this person, both are considered to be blasphemous of religion of their respective society..
Abe was (considered) blasphemous towards the Mesopotamian religion (cult of Marduk et al) this person was (considered) blasphemous towards Islam religion (cult of Allah, Hadiths, Quran etc..).
And Jesus was (considered) blasphemous towards Judaism (cult of Torah, Rabbis, Sabbath et. al.)

imrankhawaja

Yes..
Abe and this person, both are considered to be blasphemous of religion of their respective society..
Abe was (considered) blasphemous towards the Mesopotamian religion (cult of Marduk et al) this person was (considered) blasphemous towards Islam religion (cult of Allah, Hadiths, Quran etc..).
And Jesus was (considered) blasphemous towards Judaism (cult of Torah, Rabbis, Sabbath et. al.)

allright so he was prophet too ,,, the person who get killed and he recieve revelation to do like this from God... isnt it... !

Man_of_Faith

I am not criticizing Quran though, only the misleading clerical interpretation of it. And imran has perhaps proven me wrong or exposed me in his opinion, but for the intelligent person they would see the sense in what I am saying due to logic which is usually missing in religious people.

We can just exclude Quran for a while and just speak plain logic regarding things. It is impossible to make sense of the common god perception. I mean, keeping a "pet farm" which has no useful produce, what kind of superior being would opt for that?

You can utterly crush the arguments of the usual god perception through examining it by logic and no Quran would be necessary which available interpretation is not useful anyway.

imrankhawaja

my brother, i respect you as a person,,, i did not prove you wrong , but your theories when there is no evidence in hand...

its not personal, even if you are athiest , i still consider it as its your understanding of learning things...and it wont affect a human relationship with you or anybody ...

but whenever you see any negetive thing you suddenly point your gun to quran...

did quran not said killing one human= killing whole humanity...?

so if somebody killed somebody due to ignorance is it fair to blame quran for this... atleast if you are really a peacemaker then you should apply a positive attitute that will give society benefit instead of harm..

Jafar

allright so he was prophet too ,,, the person who get killed and he recieve revelation to do like this from God... isnt it... !

Does it matter?
Perhaps he is, perhaps he is not.. in any case he doesn't deserved to be murdered..
One thing for sure, that dude, Jesus, Abe and millions of other people are victims of an injustice..

It has been 3000-3500 years passed since the time of Abe and Lot walked upon earth and

Human hasn't evolved to become much wiser, especially in the region where Abe and Lot once lived..
Religious people are still very fanatically religious
Idolatry is still abound... in many different form, books, ideology, dead people...
Human sacrifice still exist.. in somewhat different form; suicide bomber, jihadist..
Hypocrisy level still very much the same...

imrankhawaja

Does it matter?
Perhaps he is, perhaps he is not.. in any case he doesn't deserved to be murdered..
One thing for sure, that dude, Jesus, Abe and millions of other people are victims of an injustice..

It has been 3000-3500 years passed since the time of Abe and Lot walked upon earth and

Human hasn't evolved to become much wiser, especially in the region where Abe and Lot once lived..
Religious people are still very fanatically religious
Idolatry is still abound... in many different form, books, ideology, dead people...
Human sacrifice still exist.. in somewhat different form; suicide bomber, jihadist..
Hypocrisy level still very much the same...

becoz thats what the life is... thats how it run...

most of the people always ignore important messages and wise things...

to b good is difficult for people...

whenever a person get killed, first thing religious base or law base say eye for an eye , life for life...

in this way the tribal areas have enemity from generation to generation... its insane,, if they look at the very next part , there is another option which will stop more trouble for both parties and its ransom but the human ego always think its shame or defeat to take ransom... so we must kill them, and then cross killing continue untill generations...

about this guy i feel bad , nobody should get killed for the sin he never did...
there is not only this guy lot of other examples are also there... a recent example of salman taseer

but problem is not with scriptures problem is with teaching and brain washing of people... everybody is responsible for their actions,

but what i try to say... there is no need of playing with fire when we know it can burn us ... when we drive a car we advised to fasten our seat belts...

Man_of_Faith

Evidence? I hand you evidence every time and usually more than one argument.

For you to verify it requires some own independent research though or it stands word against word. It is fully possible for anyone other than me to accomplish what I have done though and I am not unique in that. But nevertheless I was the one who began to question Quran utterly and that was foretold in prophecies already from the past, even before the compilation of Quran with between 500-1000 years.

You should know humans are not so free in their thinking as they would care to say and it fools them. You cannot believe that the corruption is so systematic as it is and this is your main problem and which causes you to be deluded. If you would open your mind it goes quite fast to realize the Quran has severe problems related to its interpretation. And let us say the interpretation would have been correct then it would be a a false invented scripture due to its primitive nature. It amazes me that no one sees it is just something full of mumbo-jumbo and you can easily utilize logic to expose and make it fall, such as I have done already, take the "pet farm" you are looking forward so much to as an example.

Be well
Amenuel