RE: THE ARABIC QURAN?
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In order to comprehend better the verse, we will need to go back to verse 1203....
no actually we need to go back to 1202
122 We have revealed it an Arabic Quran, that you may understand..
so if arabic was not the language of prophet he barely understand... hmm
We relate to you - , the best of stories in what We have inspired to you of this Qur'an although you were, before it, among the unaware.
yes no doubt he was unaware about the stories of past prophets... including joseph... whats so confusing in it...
123 We narrate to you the most accurate history through the revelation of this Quran. Before this, you were totally unaware
Study the verse carefully and the Quran 5310 and at the same time read below
yeh this chapter is one of my fav chapter as i can see the lot of things in it... i dnt need to even see it i already study that lot of times ... but anyway let include this in discussion as well...
538 Then he drew nearer by moving down
539 Until he became as near as two bow-lengths or nearer.
5310 He then inspired to His servant what He inspired
5311 The heart did not invent what it saw
5312 Do you doubt him in what he saw?
5313 Indeed, he saw him in another descent.
5314 At the ultimate point.
5315 Next to the eternal Paradise.there is not even a slightiest hint that show prophet was not arabic.. the subject here is totally different and somethings are still mystery to understand due to weak human mind capacity like eternal paradise ,ultimate point, highest horizon...
The verse 1206 is in the imperfect and as such, is referring to the Prophet!
12 02 story started in the language so that prophet understand it i.e (the recieving prophet of scripture)
12 03 he was unaware about the past stories before the revelation..
12 04 now the story started with joseph and his father....
12 05 father advise not to tell this vision to brother
12 06 father told him about the history of lineage and inspiration.. joseph==>jacob==>ishaq==>abraham dnt bother about any missing link ... lol if you dnt agree with the chain but its cofirm the subject here is jospeh and forefathers..
story continue after that...so what was your point if i may ask again? it did not prove what you claim sorry to say brother...
The hadith contradict the Quran. Quran states explicitly that the Prophet was a Foreigner and not an Arab or whatever.
i never see quran in the light of hadith / history / guess/ or perosnal wishes... quran itself is complete book
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Nowhere in the Quran says the Prophet was taught by the israelites. In fact, the Quran - Chapters 02; 26; 53, confirms that it was Jibreel, who taught him. Please read and try to comprehend the Quran.
yeh exactly it was jibraeel who deleivered the message ... but its Allah who teach muhammad and everybody...
964 The One who taught by the pen.
965 He taught the human being what he did not know.551
552 Has taught the Quran.
553 He created the human being,
554 He taught him how to distinguish.jibraeel and prophet are nothing more than messengers...
now come to the second part of your claim... u misunderstood.. when people claim these are stories of old... at that time jews and christians were in height ... and their language was not arabic... it was a blame that prophet is plagarising/copying the work of old people which is purely justifed by the God , after that all of them get astonish becoz God know how to rectify the errors in the mind of wicked people... who continously pointing out mistakes ... even in this period people are trying to point out mistakes and all the times failed terribly..
look again
16103 And We are aware that they say 1 "A human being is teaching him." 2 The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, 3 while this is a clear Arabic tongue.
1 jibraeel was not a human being....
2 jibraeel dnt need of any native or foreign tongue... (he is spirit and his communication method with God is something next level advance or something we are unable to understand)
3 the scripture and language of prophet is clear arabic... thats the justification...what else required to get it understand...
peace..
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no actually we need to go back to 1202
122 We have revealed it an Arabic Quran, that you may understand..
so if arabic was not the language of prophet he barely understand... hmm
I find that you lack the knowledge of the intricacies of the Quranic system and at the same time you lack the knowledge of Classical Arabic.
1202, is not referring to the Prophet or whoever but the Plural We, is ALLAH and HIS Prophet.
Verse 1202 says that an 3rabic recitation which was revealed to "YOU ALL" . Who were the "YOU ALL SO THAT THEY MAY UNDERSTAND" if it were not the Arabs, the audience of the Quran? Again in order to know better, you have to X REFERENCE WITH 4144
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And if We had made it a recitation, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail. A3jami and 3rabi. Say, "IT IS FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE, GUIDANCE AND CURE. AND THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE, IN THEIR EARS IS DEAFNESS AND IT IS UPON THEM BLINDNESS. THOSE ARE BEING CALLED FROM A DISTANCE PLACE.
You see, what the above Quranic verse is saying is that if this Quran, THE EXPLANATION IS IN THE A3jami LANGUAGE, the Arabs will have questioned why is it not EXPLAINED in the Arabic so that they will understand better. From the above verse it?s obvious that this Quran is an Arabic version, obviously for the Arabs. So in verse 1202 does makes sense when it is referring to the Arabs. Right?
Also in 4144, whether the Quran was written in 3rabi or A3jami languages, they are from ALLAH. It also proves that there were A3jami version Quran during the Ministry of the Last Prophet. For those who do not believe, they are DEAF DUMB AND BLIND!
I believe you are a Indo-Pakistani? If this is true, you and all your brethren have the right to question, why are its verses not explained in detail? that is in the Indo-Pakistani language. Make sense right? But off course, during the 3rd Century CE, the language of indo-Pak, were very Persian to certain extent....
yes no doubt he was unaware about the stories of past prophets... including joseph... whats so confusing in it...
123 We narrate to you the most accurate history through the revelation of this Quran. Before this, you were totally unaware
You translation 1203 is erroneous. Again you lack the knowledge of comprehanding what i wrote. I wrote.
In order to comprehend better the verse, we will need to go back to verse 1203....
We relate to you - , the best of stories in what We have inspired to you of this Qur'an although you were, before it, among the unaware.
From 1203, we would be able to see and that is, two entities were involved and both were of a different level when receiving the message. It tells us that the Messenger whom this Quran, were given to him and where the stories were told, and also tells us the Prophet was inspired , is a Book that explained the Umm al Kitab . The Prophet was inspired and that inspiration was put in his heart. He revealed what was inspired to him to the Arab Messenger . In fact, 1203 must be read in conjunction with 16103.
yeh exactly it was jibraeel who deleivered the message ... but its Allah who teach muhammad and everybody...
964 The One who taught by the pen.
965 He taught the human being what he did not know.551
552 Has taught the Quran.
553 He created the human being,
554 He taught him how to distinguish.jibraeel and prophet are nothing more than messengers...
now come to the second part of your claim... u misunderstood.. when people claim these are stories of old... at that time jews and christians were in height ... and their language was not arabic... it was a blame that prophet is plagarising/copying the work of old people which is purely justifed by the God , after that all of them get astonish becoz God know how to rectify the errors in the mind of wicked people... who continously pointing out mistakes ... even in this period people are trying to point out mistakes and all the times failed terribly..
look again
16103 And We are aware that they say 1 "A human being is teaching him." 2 The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, 3 while this is a clear Arabic tongue.
1 jibraeel was not a human being....
2 jibraeel dnt need of any native or foreign tongue... (he is spirit and his communication method with God is something next level advance or something we are unable to understand)
3 the scripture and language of prophet is clear arabic... thats the justification...what else required to get it understand...
peace..
In 16103, Jibreel was not there. Did i said Jibreel was human? Did i said Jibreel spoke a foreign tongue? Nowhere in the Quran that says specifically that the Prophet was an Arab. You said it not the Quran.
As for me i understand pretty well,
And We certainly know that they say, "It is only a MORTAL who teaches him ." THE TONGUE OF THE ONE THEY INCLINE ON HIM IS A3JAMI AND THIS 3RABI LANGUAGE CLEAR.
Quran 16103, tells us that the Prophet was the Mortal and the teacher of an individual Arab. The Prophet spoke 3rabi but his slang sounds A3jami, people of Persia / Levant. Now A3jami does not means foreign. Ajnabi means foreign.
Who else have the knowledge of the Quran if it wasnt the Prophet? Umm al Kitab was revealed to the Prophet ? , he was inspired , the Quran is a Book that explained the Umm al Kitab .
Tell me honestly Imran, based on 16103, who have the knowledge of the Quran during the Ministry of the Last Prophet besides the Prophet himself? Did ALLAH give the knowledge of the Quran to someone else before the Quran was inspired to the Last Prophet?
12 02 story started in the language so that prophet understand it i.e (the recieving prophet of scripture)
12 03 he was unaware about the past stories before the revelation..
12 04 now the story started with joseph and his father....
12 05 father advise not to tell this vision to brother
12 06 father told him about the history of lineage and inspiration.. joseph==>jacob==>ishaq==>abraham dnt bother about any missing link ... lol if you dnt agree with the chain but its cofirm the subject here is jospeh and forefathers..
story continue after that...
so what was your point if i may ask again? it did not prove what you claim sorry to say brother...Of course it does, it is you who have a weak mind and that makes you vulnerable! Read again all i have wrote.
i never see quran in the light of hadith / history / guess/ or perosnal wishes... quran itself is complete book
Thats what you claimed but in actual fact it is what you really are and not only that, you contradict yourself many times.
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Salam
3022 And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity/ of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge.Salam Brother...
Off course, Not all of us in this world are Arabs, Quran was not sent in one geographical area!
It does not seem just or fair that God should send a messenger to one particular race to whom he should go to them in person. We are always made to believe that God loves all mankind equally. Why should God grant one race such a great blessing that is not given to others?
peace
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Yes Off course, you are absolutely right! There is only one type and that is what the Quran stated, my brother.
And that Arabic was the Ancient South Arabian, please see the article on Post 1 of this thread.
The only clear Arabic will be the Ancient South Arabian language. A language that was spoken widely in present Yemen and Oman!
Is Yemen and Oman the part of Arabian peninsula?
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/07.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20009/7.%20Arbi%20Ain%20Ra%20Ba%20language/4.gif It is a noun termed as Relative Adjective . It is a noun having a consonant "Yaa- " suffixed to its ending which indicates its relation to the noun from which it is derived. Thus, a unique feature of this language is that it defines the identity of its own people the language of the sons of soil of Arabian peninsula; the language of the land that hosts the "House of Allah" on the Earth; and the universal leader of humanity, the Last Messenger of Allah the Exalted, Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam. This was the first language employed for teaching the First Man; and lately for the final teaching of knowledge and wisdom to the humanity universally through the ONLY teacher in timeline Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.
The first time mention about the language of the Explicitly Explicative Book titled Grand Qur'aan is in the form of emphatic statement. The verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00027.%20Unzila%20Noon%20Ze%20Laam%20sent%20from%20above/24.gif is preceded by Verb like particle and its Subject Noun http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0000.%20Haroof%20particles/02.%20B%20Inna%20plus%20na/2.gif that places emphasis upon its predication. This conveys to the reader the preferred choice of Allah the Exalted in favour of Arabic over all languages of the world. The object pronoun of the verb refers back to the "Explicitly Explicative Book" mentioned in the earlier sentence of preceding Ayah. Since the intent is to emphasize upon the language of Qur'aan being Arabic, explicit noun http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/0004.B%20Qura%20Qaf%20Ra%20alif%20Quraan/8.gif was placed in between as circumstantial adverb acting as a medium between an adjective and entity indicated by pronoun which cannot natively take adjectives. It thus serves both the purposes of indicating the title of the book and its condition as integrated compilation.
Language of Grand Qur'aan
It is immediately clarified that the choice is not arbitrary but is based upon absolute knowledge of the exalted qualities of this language. -
I find that you lack the knowledge of the intricacies of the Quranic system and at the same time you lack the knowledge of Classical Arabic.
yeh i was expecting this kind of reply from you.. specially when there was a difficulty to prove claim.. anyhow forget about my language understanding skills.. did i ask how qualified you are , and which cups you took it from competetion?
1202, is not referring to the Prophet or whoever but the Plural We, is ALLAH and HIS Prophet.
plural or singular does not change the subject ,,, if you have a little bit understanding of grammer ...
you in singular and plural does not change the action.. for example.. you stand up... now either there is a one person or a full class of student... they will stand up...
I believe you are a Indo-Pakistani? If this is true, you and all your brethren have the right to question, why are its verses not explained in detail? that is in the Indo-Pakistani language. Make sense right? But off course, during the 3rd Century CE, the language of indo-Pak, were very Persian to certain extent....
aww so i understand now.. thats your agenda all the time to make us beleive quran was 3rd century CE product... if i recall correctly i already had a debate with you on that issue in which you also failed to provide evidences of your claims..
RED does it make any difference , even i m from polar region...
You translation 1203 is erroneous. Again you lack the knowledge of comprehanding what i wrote. I wrote.
its not my translation its from somebody who is definately more qualified than you and translation is recognised by lot of people too...
another view of that translation..
123 We tell to you the best stories through what We have inspired to you in this Qur'an; and before it you were of those who were unaware.
does it really make any difference...
or do one thing you translate it in your own words then we will see how many votes you can collect ... if ten people of the forum will agree with your transaltion i will have no issue... i will not even ask you that r u from indo-pak or from the human eaters tribes of africa...
In 16103, Jibreel was not there. Did i said Jibreel was human? Did i said Jibreel spoke a foreign tongue? Nowhere in the Quran that says specifically that the Prophet was an Arab. You said it not the Quran.
look here you go... you told me already jibraeel is the teacher of prophet... isnt it... incase look at your words if you r suffereing from memory problem
Chapters 02; 26; 53, confirms that it was Jibreel who taught him. your words.. or look at reply 23 again
Of course it does, it is you who have a weak mind and that makes you vulnerable! Read again all i have wrote.
lol yeh i have weak mind becoz i did not understand your claims and evidence.. on other words.. i want to agree with you on 2+2=5 but i m asking how its five , you are continously failing again and again in proving it 5... hence you can say i have weak mind , or i have a weak teacher... &
Thats what you claimed but in actual fact it is what you really are and not only that, you contradict yourself many times.
i did not remember i contradict myself... if i did it then tell me where...
its not me who claim any thing our discussion started from reply 14 look at it again... you are still unable to provide what i asked? look at this below
It tells me that the Prophet was not an Arab -
Feel free to agree or disagree.
in light of all this you bring up another confusing things like jibraeel teach quran... its shows me only one thing...
when somebody is under the influence of ego and he represent things to prove something according to his agenda then he did not look carefully around.. and every single further movement bring lot of more errors... example is when you claim jibraeel is teaching him quran ..
actually beating arounf the bush is not my way... like most of the people do... if you want to take discussion to 3rd century then let me know do u know anybody qualified person throughout the history or any langauge expert throughout the history have similar claims what you have...?
if your answer is no then its mean by defualt you are the most intelligent and wise person who exactly know what is the meanings of all verses and history things?
you can only select one...
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coming back to the topic... if you are ready to talk
(1231)
nanu
We PRON ? 1st person plural personal pronoun(1232)
naquu
relate V ? 1st person plural imperfect verb(1233)
alayka
to you P ? preposition
PRON ? 2nd person masculine singular object pronoun(1234)
asana
the best N ? accusative masculine singular noun(1235)
l-qaai
of the narrations N ? genitive masculine nounif you can see the bold and color part ... it will be helpful in understanding things...
12 06 and 1203 are talking about two different occassions...
so according to 12 06 it is not proved what you claim ... so burden of proof is still on you...
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yeh i was expecting this kind of reply from you.. specially when there was a difficulty to prove claim.. anyhow forget about my language understanding skills.. did i ask how qualified you are , and which cups you took it from competetion?
I have already proven from the Quran which you unequivocally, lack the knowledge, lack the discipline of the intricacies of the Quranic system
plural or singular does not change the subject ,,, if you have a little bit understanding of grammer ...
Look whose talking...lol...at one point you wrote and asked me whether i understand grammer
than you wrote
you in singular and plural does not change the action.. for example.. you stand up... now either there is a one person or a full class of student... they will stand up...
You were the one who deliberately ignore the Grammer and thats where you get confused. You cannot differentiate who the verse is refering to!
aww so i understand now.. thats your agenda all the time to make us beleive quran was 3rd century CE product... if i recall correctly i already had a debate with you on that issue in which you also failed to provide evidences of your claims..
RED does it make any difference , even i m from polar region...
My agenda is truthseeking, you agenda is upholding the sectarian lies. It is you who failed to comprehend the Arabic Quran and with your sectarian ego it goes nowhere. I have many time confronted people like you who shamelessly stick to the history of traditional Islam which did not even exist! How are you to explain to your future generation? Even if you know your parents make mistakes, you still follow them, like blind man?
And when it is said to them, "Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger," they say, "Sufficient for us is that upon which we found our fathers." Even though their fathers knew nothing, nor were they guided?
Your haughtiness brings you nowhere! Its your own lost.
Q1206 - And most of them believe not in Allah except while they associate others with Him.
its not my translation its from somebody who is definately more qualified than you and translation is recognised by lot of people too...
another view of that translation..
123 We tell to you the best stories through what We have inspired to you in this Qur'an; and before it you were of those who were unaware.
does it really make any difference...
Already proven that you are BLIND FOLLOWER, and that goes without saying, you supported the sectarian lies. And as the Quran says, most of the people will not believe. You are definitely one of them.
or do one thing you translate it in your own words then we will see how many votes you can collect ... if ten people of the forum will agree with your transaltion i will have no issue... i will not even ask you that r u from indo-pak or from the human eaters tribes of africa...
This is my thread. All are welcome to give their input. We are all learning. We discuss professionally, knowledgeably. i will accept all comments but i will not accept hostility. I will report to the moderator!
look here you go... you told me already jibraeel is the teacher of prophet... isnt it... incase look at your words if you r suffereing from memory problem
Chapters 02; 26; 53, confirms that it was Jibreel who taught him. your words.. or look at reply 23 again
lol yeh i have weak mind becoz i did not understand your claims and evidence.. on other words.. i want to agree with you on 2+2=5 but i m asking how its five , you are continously failing again and again in proving it 5... hence you can say i have weak mind , or i have a weak teacher... &
its not me who claim any thing our discussion started from reply 14 look at it again... you are still unable to provide what i asked? look at this below
in light of all this you bring up another confusing things like jibraeel teach quran... its shows me only one thing...
its not me who claim any thing our discussion started from reply 14 look at it again... you are still unable to provide what i asked? look at this below
in light of all this you bring up another confusing things like jibraeel teach quran... its shows me only one thing...
You have very little knowledge in English.
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? Reply #117 on September 08, 2016, 081812 AM ?
Quote from imrankhawaja on September 08, 2016, 075759 AM
my eyes find the shape of star is like five angle light..FNM replied
Clearly, you don't know English or Arabic.========================================================
ALLAH taught the Prophet the Quran, thru Jibreel ..
Q0297 - Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, than indeed, he brought it down upon your heart, BY PERMISSION OF ALLAH, confirming what is in between, support it and a guidance and good tidings for the believers."
Q;26193 - 194 - Brought it down, with it, the Trust Worthy Spirit, upon your heart that you be of the warners.
Q5302 - Your companion has not strayed, nor has he erred,
Nor does he speak from inclination.
It is but an inspiration inspired.
Taught him by one intense in strength
While he was in the higher horizon.
Then he approached and descended
And was at a distance of two bow lengths or nearer.
then inspired to HIS servant what is to be inspired -
so in 16103, what the verse is saying is - After being inspired, the Prophet, who was an 3jami, taught those who worked with him, that is for this case, the Messenger that were assigned to his people - the Arabs. Also, check 1203, which i had explained earlier.
i did not remember i contradict myself... if i did it then tell me where...
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? Reply #127 on September 08, 2016, 101453 AM ?Quote from reel on September 08, 2016, 093820 AM
Many people have no idea about the beautiful murky water sunset and many seem to have the misconception that the Book is related to just the Arab lands.Your reply
exactly
So you concurred to what sister reel's replied? But refute my views on the subject.
when somebody is under the influence of ego and he represent things to prove something according to his agenda then he did not look carefully around.. and every single further movement bring lot of more errors... example is when you claim jibraeel is teaching him quran ..
That reflex you, and not only your ego but your arrogance. You dont even understand simple English or Arabic. Admit it
actually beating arounf the bush is not my way... like most of the people do... if you want to take discussion to 3rd century then let me know do u know anybody qualified person throughout the history or any langauge expert throughout the history have similar claims what you have...?
You are acting exactly like the sectarian who is beating around the bush lying in the name of ALLAH! How dare you? I do not need anyone to prove my point when i have ALLAH to support me. Its all in the Quran but off course no one sectarian will believe what i wrote especially when he lack the knowledge and capacities to comprehend the Quran. Not only that, he lack the knowledge that the Quran produce the best history of mankind.
if your answer is no then its mean by defualt you are the most intelligent and wise person who exactly know what is the meanings of all verses and history things?
you can only select one...
Off course, do i need the hadith to tell me the meanings of all the verses and history? The Quran says it is the best hadith .
You need the man made hadith, not me and that is where you gone astray, the Quran 05101 - 102
O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are made clear to you all, will distress you all, that is, if you ask about when the Qur'an is reveal, it will be made clear to you all. ALLAH has pardoned that which is past; and ALLAH is Forgiving and Forbearing.
WHEN ASK THEM A PEOPLE FROM BEFORE YOU, THAN THEY BECAME THEREBY DISBELIEVERS.
I warn myself at the same time i warn you.
You are most welcome to discuss further but If you are going to have an animosity attitude towards me, i would suggest that you stop replying.
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but If you are going to have an animosity attitude towards me, i would suggest that you stop replying.
brother i feel you have so much grduge against me , rotfl and apparently you work a lot of digging old post as a reference that shows people are clearly disturb from my questions and when i make their baseless claims apparent... and your fellow faith no more also requested me same thing ... but he also failed terribly... &
anyway i never wanted to be personal with you... you claim something and i asked from you something in reply 14 regarding your claim , but you failed terribly ... and bring more things... then failed again in these things...
in the end you screeming like a kid when somebody lose the claims in debate they start speaking offtopic stuff, insults, out of order things what you just show.. i m feeling sympathy for you ... (
and dnt worry you did not provide the answers of your claims but Book of God is pretty clear about everything...
see in all my post i never say you, uneducated, lack of knowledge, conspricy theorist, beleiver of prophet mani as a last prophet... loser, rejector of message , kaffir, racist and stuff like that... becoz my motif was to get information about your claims,, not to show personal feelings lol
peace
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This is my thread. All are welcome to give their input. We are all learning. We discuss professionally, knowledgeably. i will accept all comments but i will not accept hostility. I will report to the moderator!
so see how negetive your thinking is... its who you start doing racing stuff by calling me indo-pak , and i replied you provide your interpretation , and i will not ask you either you from indo pak or cannablism tribes of africa...
so by defualt i have no issue from any race ..... its actually you who started with unreasonale reasonings...
here is all the discussion again
Quote from Hizbullah on September 22, 2016, 052914 AM
I believe you are a Indo-Pakistani? If this is true, you and all your brethren have the right to question, why are its verses not explained in detail? that is in the Indo-Pakistani language. Make sense right? But off course, during the 3rd Century CE, the language of indo-Pak, were very Persian to certain extent....
aww so i understand now.. thats your agenda all the time to make us beleive quran was 3rd century CE product... if i recall correctly i already had a debate with you on that issue in which you also failed to provide evidences of your claims..
RED does it make any difference , even i m from polar region...
Quote from Hizbullah on September 22, 2016, 052914 AM
You translation 1203 is erroneous. Again you lack the knowledge of comprehanding what i wrote. I wrote.its not my translation its from somebody who is definately more qualified than you and translation is recognised by lot of people too...
another view of that translation..
123 We tell to you the best stories through what We have inspired to you in this Qur'an; and before it you were of those who were unaware.
does it really make any difference...
or do one thing you translate it in your own words then we will see how many votes you can collect ... if ten people of the forum will agree with your transaltion i will have no issue... i will not even ask you that r u from indo-pak or from the human eaters tribes of africa...
RED means i have no issue from any race. but its you who is accepting interpretation based on races...
but see how generous i am i never want to complain this to moderators... police
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brother i feel you have so much grduge against me , rotfl and apparently you work a lot of digging old post as a reference that shows people are clearly disturb from my questions and when i make their baseless claims apparent... and your fellow faith no more also requested me same thing ... but he also failed terribly... &
It is you who is having grudge against me because of what i believe. You failed altogether to comprehend what i wrote instead you only "THINK" that you are right!
You childish behaviour shows how educated your, instead of using you faculties you follow the sectarian lies. You are nothing more but a hypocrite, calling yourself a Quranist, BULLSHIT, you are nothing more but enemey of the Quranist
anyway i never wanted to be personal with you... you claim something and i asked from you something in reply 14 regarding your claim , but you failed terribly ... and bring more things... then failed again in these things...
I already replied to your queries but you FAILED TO COMPREHEND DUE TO YOUR LACK OF KNOWLDEGE
in the end you screeming like a kid when somebody lose the claims in debate they start speaking offtopic stuff, insults, out of order things what you just show.. i m feeling sympathy for you ... (
Go and see your self in the mirror, how childish you, every now and than you make fun of what people wrprt thinking that yu are the most knowledgeable, I TELL YOU IMRAN, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DEAF DUMB BLIND!
and dnt worry you did not provide the answers of your claims but Book of God is pretty clear about everything...
The Book of ALLAH is always theree, which you REJECTED - WHAT MAKES YOU?
see in all my post i never say you, uneducated, lack of knowledge, conspricy theorist, beleiver of prophet mani as a last prophet... loser, rejector of message , kaffir, racist and stuff like that... becoz my motif was to get information about your claims,, not to show personal feelings lol
YOUR MOTIF IS TO REJECT THE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU ARE A SECTARIAN, YOUR BELIEVES ARE THE SECTARIAN, YOU SUPPORT SECTARION LIES
DID I NOT SHOW YOU QURAINIC VERSES? instead of having a proper discussion, you outright rejected all i wrote and base your understanding of the Quran from sectarion views. Tell me how are you going to achieve the truth?
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so see how negetive your thinking is... its who you start doing racing stuff by calling me indo-pak , and i replied you provide your interpretation , and i will not ask you either you from indo pak or cannablism tribes of africa...
so by defualt i have no issue from any race ..... its actually you who started with unreasonale reasonings...
here is all the discussion again
RED means i have no issue from any race. but its you who is accepting interpretation based on races...
but see how generous i am i never want to complain this to moderators... police
Shows clearly YOU ARE NOT WELL VERSE WITH ENGLISH! Thats where you animosity begins, calling me racist without any justification?
I am showing you an example, base on Quran 4144.
And if We had made it a A3jami recitation, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail ? A3jami and 3rabi...
Anyone who are not Arabs, YOU BEING AN INDO-PAK ORIGINS, have the right to question, why was the Quran not in Persian or Persian influence language? why only 3rabi?
Go and ask anyone in this forum, am i being racist? FNM was right, CLEARLY YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ENGLISH AND ARABIC WHATSOEVER!!!!
I CHALLENGE YOU ON THIS MATTER, GO NOW AND COMPLAINT TO THE MODERATORS....... LET THE MODERATORS BE THE JUDGE
This is my last warning, if you keep on coming back with you insults, i will report you.
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again i am looking at a person.. full of anger,
calling somebody enemy of quranist,
calling some body deaf dumb blind..
insulting somebody and blame he is insulting you...using abusive language like bullshit...
secterian hate , secterian lies... OMG
on the wording of an athiest , claiming things , hahahaha,,,
all the points highlighted ,, a person is in great shock by someone...
now he is showing his reasonings and level of education in this manner... bravo
somebody was right when a person is in the disease of ego of personal wishes to make their claim true it will cause them to actions which are very dangerous like rejecting the verses, removing the verses, claiming they are God like pharooah and if somebody ask questions and they will respond in a behaviour unacceptable...
but you are the very educated person i forget to mention... who claim something which no body claim in last 1400 years.. i must salaute you for finding a truth for us... i hope somebody will ever agree with you..
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Go and ask anyone in this forum, am i being racist? FNM was right, CLEARLY YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ENGLISH AND ARABIC WHATSOEVER!!!!
hahahaha claiming somebody quranist is also a racism or a word of racism towards the hadith rejector,,,
any way you told me i m enemy of quranist ... first you was thinking i m quranist ,, = racism ..
there are always two thingsbeleiver and disbeleiver
rejector and acceptor..
muslim and non muslim...some time God shows the weakness of people ... by lot of signs hahaha
then again calling someboody secterian is it not a rasicm...
do you have knowledge of unseen... ?
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You childish behaviour shows how educated your, instead of using you faculties you follow the sectarian lies. You are nothing more but a hypocrite, calling yourself a Quranist, BULLSHIT, you are nothing more but enemey of the Quranist
Go and see your self in the mirror, how childish you, every now and than you make fun of what people wrprt thinking that yu are the most knowledgeable, I TELL YOU IMRAN, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DEAF DUMB BLIND!
The Book of ALLAH is always theree, which you REJECTED
YOUR MOTIF IS TO REJECT THE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU ARE A SECTARIAN, YOUR BELIEVES ARE THE SECTARIAN, YOU SUPPORT SECTARION LIES
thats what you learn from your lord... is this the true teaching of islam?
is it not against the scripture?
its also a breach of forum rules...
bravo
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hahahaha claiming somebody quranist is also a racism or a word of racism towards the hadith rejector,,,
any way you told me i m enemy of quranist ... first you was thinking i m quranist ,, = racism ..
there are always two thingsbeleiver and disbeleiver
rejector and acceptor..
muslim and non muslim...some time God shows the weakness of people ... by lot of signs hahaha
Obviously its YOU.....
then again calling someboody secterian is it not a rasicm...
That is your knowledge.... rotfl
do you have knowledge of unseen... ?
sometimes ALLAH will show me, thats why i know the Quran better than you. If only you are humble.
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thats what you learn from your lord... is this the true teaching of islam?
is it not against the scripture?
its also a breach of forum rules...
bravo
You insulted me, on the other thread.....remember....You arrogance shows me what kind of person you are!
You see imran, the reason of downfall of a Islam does not come from the outside but it comes from within.