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Is GOD running everything?

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    Alper88
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    Peace everyone.

    I've been thinking about posting these short videos for some time and wonder how you guys think about this.

    Before everyone thinks I blindly follow this man and believe every word he says or that I reject two verses of the Quran, I don't.

    I most certainly do not agree with everything he is saying, but I do however respect this man's efforts into waking people up with the fact that the Quran should be the only source of guidance and that today's traditional islam has been corrupted a lot and how he has shown people that there is a thin line between true monotheism and idol worship. His book 'Quran, Hadith & Islam' was a great way of doing that.

    For those of you who believe he was a messenger (based on 381, 4028, 4034, 727, 4136, etc.), let's say he was a messenger, even messengers make mistakes
    "We never sent a messenger before you, or a prophet, but when he had a desire Satan interfered in his wishes. But God nullifies what Satan interjects, and God affirms His revelations. God is Omniscient and Wise." (2252)

    Now back to the videos. I was watching this a short time ago and here Rashad Khalifa is explaining why our new Dhikr should be 'God is running everything'. I personally didn't agree with everything he said (about satan having his own kingdom etc.), but the main message and the verses he was referring to are quite interesting.

    What do you guys think about these videos? Are there points you agree with and points you don't? If so, why? (Please refer to Quran verses if possible.)

    Is Rashad right? Should the thought that God is running everything be a reminder for us daily?

    "The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence." (391

    Peace.

    Part 1
    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ManZjWaYM

    Part 2
    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAWrG3BYkZY

    Part 3
    https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6reDD_47xQ

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      faruk
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      Is Rashad right? Should the thought that God is running everything be a reminder for us daily?
      yes , he's right.

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        faruk
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        useful post from FreedomStands

        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.msg371082#msg371082

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          imrankhawaja
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          God is running everything... or best defination is God is controlling everything? in both occassion the very first question the athiest will ask ...

          if God is running /controlling everything ... then its mean murder/rape/theft is happening by the running of God?

          what answer you will gona give him...

          is it not suitable if we say God is watching everything.. ? and the result of our doing is in control of God... if we put seed of apple we will get apple tree, if we put our hand in fire we will get burn..

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            Man_of_Faith
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            It gives you some logical issues, does it not, imran?

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              imrankhawaja
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              It gives you some logical issues, does it not, imran?

              yes my brother , becoz i m also a learner and a human being..

              super human beings like einstien have issues too lol

              and specially the things related to higher being we are in a very limited knowledge regarding all of them...

              so issues are everywhere , in everyfield... but we have a book that helps us solving lot of our confusions and issues.. isnt it...

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                Man_of_Faith
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                When one has logical issues it does not help to sweep them under a carpet.

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  When one has logical issues it does not help to sweep them under a carpet.

                  it up to them if they did a bit struggle they can remove the carpet then sweep under it rotfl

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    Even worse, sweep the problems up and throw them in the garbage can without solving them.

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                      imrankhawaja
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                      question is cleaning problem is garbage under the carpet... hence they did sweep it.. so problem solved... !

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                        Jafar
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                        God is running everything... or best defination is God is controlling everything? in both occassion the very first question the athiest will ask ...

                        if God is running /controlling everything ... then its mean murder/rape/theft is happening by the running of God?

                        what answer you will gona give him...

                        is it not suitable if we say God is watching everything.. ? and the result of our doing is in control of God... if we put seed of apple we will get apple tree, if we put our hand in fire we will get burn..

                        Yes, murder / rape / theft / invasion and also your aging, your disease, your failure, your losses at stock exchange etc.. etc.. and all the things which you perceived as bad were happening as it was planned / designed by God.

                        As also, your will . your want, your action, your thought it's all happening as it was planned / designed by God.

                        That's why the best attitude is islam (not the religion)
                        Let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven..

                        With such attitude you will always find peace and happiness regardless of the situation..

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                          imrankhawaja
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                          Yes, murder / rape / theft / invasion and also your aging, your disease, your failure, your losses at stock exchange etc.. etc.. and all the things which you perceived as bad were happening as it was planned / designed by God.

                          As also, your will . your want, your action, your thought it's all happening as it was planned / designed by God.

                          That's why the best attitude is islam (not the religion)
                          Let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven..

                          With such attitude you will always find peace and happiness regardless of the situation..

                          in this way its would be quite easy for a criminal to get escape on day of judgement...

                          he/she can easily say.. everything happened due to God so why we held accountable...

                          does it mean whatever we wish we should do it as we know everything is happening due to God.. rob/steal murder /cheat.. do it without any fear..

                          the wills and wishes are not really easy to achieve .. specially when there is a life span of 60 to 70 years in which half of the life we sleep. quarter of the life we spend in travelling studying eating... the rest of the quarter we have to earn and be productive... hardly 10 years u can say... so people take a shortcut , and short cut involves wrong doings...

                          but we need not to worry everything is happening due to the plan of God so we are not responsible... isnt it?

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                            faruk
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                            Yes, murder / rape / theft / invasion and also your aging, your disease, your failure, your losses at stock exchange etc.. etc.. and all the things which you perceived as bad were happening as it was planned / designed by God.

                            As also, your will . your want, your action, your thought it's all happening as it was planned / designed by God.

                            That's why the best attitude is islam (not the religion)
                            Let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven..

                            With such attitude you will always find peace and happiness regardless of the situation..

                            so....true.

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                              Jafar
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                              in this way its would be quite easy for a criminal to get escape on day of judgement...

                              he/she can easily say.. everything happened due to God so why we held accountable...

                              Exactly..

                              Let's dwell first into the 'history' first..
                              The entire conception of "Judgement Day" was introduced by ancient Egyptian.. described in great details in the first 'holy book who was claimed to be authored by God(s)'.. titled "RW NW PRT M HRW".

                              A great documentary about the holy book. I really recommend everyone to watch it, it's very interesting..

                              History Channel Egyptian Book Of The Dead The Guide to Afterlife, Human oldest religious document
                              https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCO53xH5adg

                              https//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Egypt_dauingevekten.jpg
                              Scene of Judgement Day from the Holy Book, weighting of the heart.

                              Next regarding the 'logicality' of the Judgement Day..
                              Why would God need to 'wait' to certain day to pass a judgement?
                              Why would God need to ask "Why did you do this", "Why did you do that" etc... He already knows it.. much better than the 'person being judged'...

                              You proposed a nice argument..
                              God "Why did you do X?"
                              Person being judged "Because you let me live.. if you didn't made me born into that world I wouldn't have done X".

                              Whatever "X" is... good or bad or something in between..

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                                hansolo
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                                So does it mean that there is no judgment day ?

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                                  Adam_The_Warner
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                                  So does it mean that there is no judgment day ?

                                  An English translation of the Quran - 248 And beware of a Day when no soul can avail another soul, nor will any intercession be accepted from it, nor will any ransom be taken, nor will they have supporters.

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                                    imrankhawaja
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                                    So does it mean that there is no judgment day ?

                                    yeh brother there is no judgement day cheers buddy...

                                    now start doing things like , robbing, stealing, murdering, raping, whatever you wish enjoy your life you only get it once... yay

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                                      imrankhawaja
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                                      Exactly..

                                      Let's dwell first into the 'history' first..
                                      The entire conception of "Judgement Day" was introduced by ancient Egyptian.. described in great details in the first 'holy book who was claimed to be authored by God(s)'.. titled "RW NW PRT M HRW".

                                      yes brother, it may be possible everything is man made... even God..

                                      but my stupid mind ask me questions of my existence... very strange...

                                      i got it two possibilities either there is no God or there is God ...

                                      in case of no God like athiest the universe is God...natural selection and stuff...

                                      universe created all hence universe is God...

                                      but what i feel my mind get amazed, once more when i discover although i m the product of this universe lets find out universe , i hardly start learning it was a process 13.7 billion years ago... where i can glimpse the hand of the universe creator...

                                      aww i m confused again... so universe is also a creature... not a creator...

                                      who is our creator? who is the creator of this universe...

                                      now at this stage athiest is quiet he already know that universe /nature /co incidence cannot give a birth to all this intelligently design master piece...

                                      now there the spirtual thingie start...

                                      a creator what we know as lord of the universe. the king of mankind, the god of mankind , the lord of mankind...
                                      the God of everything within heavens and earth and whatever is between them...
                                      nobody creates him while he is the creator of everything that exist...

                                      my mind is pushing me to beleive that thing i dnt know why becoz right know i have no better defination of creator...

                                      now come to second step of my faith...

                                      you tell me about history, but i filter history and everything with the help of a book already in hand by the lord of universe...

                                      first i have to check that book , so let me check it scientifically , logically , historically, literally, and most important about predictions/prophecy ...

                                      i found it 90 % stuff of that book is 100% correct and my logic is telling me the rest of the 10% is also correct ... its not proved yet due to weak human mind which is still discovering the edge of universe...

                                      so regarding the judgement day thingie... its not happen yet so me you everybody have a right to comment on it... like 500 years ago people were mocking on expanding universe verse and prediction of pharao,, 1400 years ago mekkans were mocking on prophecy of conquering makkah...

                                      but it happen true...

                                      now my stubborn mind is still not convince but i have no option , my mind is tired and accept his defeat ... and i willingly accept the lord of world as my God, and i do beleive in the day of judgement and try to do rightoeus things for the minimum conditions for saving myself from hell fire 2/62..

                                      you can also say i m afraid enough from hell fire, i just dnt want to take risk... so i will spend my life righteously, it dosent matter if after that nothing will gona happen.. atleast i m relaxed about my future,, but on other way if i denied the herafter , i mst live an afraid , and uncertain life and possibly if the judgement day is true i wrong myself here and hereafter..

                                      so basically my mind set of risk free life... as i feel relax more than afraid by chosing this path...

                                      thats what my thinking is regarding all this ... next post is about logic becoz its always my favourite subject...

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                                        imrankhawaja
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                                        Next regarding the 'logicality' of the Judgement Day..
                                        Why would God need to 'wait' to certain day to pass a judgement?
                                        Why would God need to ask "Why did you do this", "Why did you do that" etc... He already knows it.. much better than the 'person being judged'...

                                        You proposed a nice argument..
                                        God "Why did you do X?"
                                        Person being judged "Because you let me live.. if you didn't made me born into that world I wouldn't have done X".

                                        Whatever "X" is... good or bad or something in between..

                                        about this particular thing , its debateable...

                                        but again if we look in to the scripture its appears to us that we accepted that test...

                                        let say if somebody ask me i ll give u two minutes pain and in return 50 years of richies would you accept,,

                                        i will say yes , and if we compare these 50 years with unlimited rewarded or punished life then even these two minutes worth nothing...

                                        these 50 years are even not compareable with unlimited life...

                                        you can disagreee with it,

                                        but after all we again come on the last stop

                                        why we are here? what is our purpose? why God created all this? why there is pain in life?

                                        about God we already agree ,, he is logical without any flaw,, its must be our understanding that is not graspping the message...

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                                          Jafar
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                                          So does it mean that there is no judgment day ?

                                          Yes as in everyday is a judgement day, every millisecond is a judgement millisecond..

                                          let say if somebody ask me i ll give u two minutes pain and in return 50 years of richies would you accept,,

                                          i will say yes , and if we compare these 50 years with unlimited rewarded or punished life then even these two minutes worth nothing...

                                          I will say
                                          "Why you want to inflict pain?"
                                          "Do you enjoy inflicting pain to others?"
                                          "Why do you give me riches?"
                                          "Do you really think I want riches?"

                                          "Oh you want a straight answer? Then it's NO, because I don't want riches and I don't like pain, and I think you have some mental problems if you DO love to inflict pain upon others".

                                          why we are here? what is our purpose? why God created all this? why there is pain in life?
                                          about God we already agree ,, he is logical without any flaw,, its must be our understanding that is not graspping the message...

                                          To shape or 'train' your perception / attitude (arabicien) and to learn something called "self-control"..

                                          Judge not and you shall not be judged..
                                          Lift others of their suffering and your suffering shall be lifted..
                                          Forgive and you shall be forgiven..
                                          Accept and you shall be accepted..

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