Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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Nothing productive comes out of a same sex marriage. There will be no reproduction.
One has a such marriage to stimulate the sensuality.
Be well
Amenuel -
Intentions are not the question, that is between God and each person, but if we are talking about things like wedlock and rights and this or that, then we should be at least be objective and not go by presumed intentions of which we may know nothing.
Salaam
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Nothing productive comes out of a same sex marriage. There will be no reproduction.
One has a such marriage to stimulate the sensuality.
Be well
AmenuelMost heteros also marry in the first place to stimulate their sensuality where reproduction is just a bonus.
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Most heteros also marry in the first place to stimulate their sensuality where reproduction is just a bonus.
That was not my point here, but it is true.
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Most heteros also marry in the first place to stimulate their sensuality where reproduction is just a bonus.
Pull out those statistics right now?
Show us what research you have done that led you to this conclusion.
Link the papers and studies conducted that gathered sufficient data to prove that is the case.Now days a majority of people have sex before marriage...https//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/
Therefore, sensuality is not the reason for marriage...Nice try guy...
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Pull out those statistics right now?
Or else? &
Show us what research you have done that led you to this conclusion.
Link the papers and studies conducted that gathered sufficient data to prove that is the case.Show me the money first!
Now days a majority of people have sex before marriage...https//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/
Therefore, sensuality is not the reason for marriage...RED Therefore ;D
Nice try guy...
Thank you )
I am sure you will choose your eventually partner with who you want to marry without feeling anything for her, it's pure for producing children.*- I'm assuming you're a hetero
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Salam,
I somewhat agree with what HP TECH says, to an extent
The fornicators could easily commit adultery when they want, so sexual intercourse isn't the main factor for getting married P
Lets not forget that it also depends on region. In some areas, people can't wait to get married, they are extremely excited.
Salam
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Or else? &
Show me the money first!
RED Therefore ;D
Thank you
I am sure you will choose your eventually partner with who you want to marry without feeling anything for her, it's pure for producing children.*- I'm assuming you're a hetero
Come on! Look at you Bender... you don't even have the decency to humble yourself when you're obviously wrong...
Everything is a big joke, sarcasm left and right...Don't be a clown! The way you are speaking you are essentially assuming that the reason for marriage is a two way street either based on sensuality/attraction or reproducing children!
Perhaps, you deliberately disregard the need for affection/feelings, deep emotional connections, compatibility, emotional and financial stability (in some cases in some cultures), social statement (maturity, accomplishment, status), to strengthen "political"/social relations.
By the way affection/love/deep emotional connections between a man and a woman is granted as a Sign by Allah!
I fear Allah and I see and appreciate HIs Signs, while you and your lot make mockery of themQuran 3021
And among His Signs (is) that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you love and mercy. Indeed, in that surely (are) Signs for a people who reflect.Quran 2574
And those who say, "Our Lord! Grant to us from our spouses and our offspring comfort (to) our eyes, and make us for the righteous a leader."By your Lord, give me until the weekend and if He so wills I will expose to you the ingratitude of your hearts and ignorance in your minds
It's because you want to push for perversion that your rationale is equally perverted and bereft of reason
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Come on! Look at you Bender... you don't even have the decency to humble yourself when you're obviously wrong...
Everything is a big joke, sarcasm left and right...Don't be a clown! The way you are speaking you are essentially assuming that the reason for marriage is a two way street either based on sensuality/attraction or reproducing children!
Perhaps, you deliberately disregard the need for affection/feelings, deep emotional connections, compatibility, emotional and financial stability (in some cases in some cultures), social statement (maturity, accomplishment, status), to strengthen "political"/social relations.
The word sensuality was chosen wrong by me, just a copy-paste from MoF's comment, a better word is "feelings".
I will humble and correct myself The main reason people (no matter what sexual preference one has) marry or any kind of bond is because they want to be together because they have feelings for each other and not because they want childeren together.
Of course I am talking only about people who have a choice.And I am not a clown but a drunken master, see my avatar >(
By the way affection/love/deep emotional connections between a man and a woman is granted as a Sign by Allah!
I fear Allah and I see and appreciate HIs Signs, while you and your lot make mockery of themRED Where? Can you quote me please so I can correct myself.
Quran 3021
And among His Signs (is) that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you love and mercy. Indeed, in that surely (are) Signs for a people who reflect.Quran 2574
And those who say, "Our Lord! Grant to us from our spouses and our offspring comfort (to) our eyes, and make us for the righteous a leader."By your Lord, give me until the weekend and if He so wills I will expose to you the ingratitude of your hearts and ignorance in your minds
It's because you want to push for perversion that your rationale is equally perverted and bereft of reason
Please have mercy on me, don't expose my perverse nature in front of everyone.
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Emotions are not so good. They can cause many issues. I can clearly see that you have some issues due to that.
There is a difference between care because it is the most logical move and emotions.
But if you like to be a slave to emotions and the flesh it is entirely up to you.
Be well
Amenuel -
Emotions are not so good. They can cause many issues. I can clearly see that you have some issues due to that.
There is a difference between care because it is the most logical move and emotions.
But if you like to be a slave to emotions and the flesh it is entirely up to you.
Be well
AmenuelWas this for me?
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Emotions are not so good. They can cause many issues. I can clearly see that you have some issues due to that.
There is a difference between care because it is the most logical move and emotions.
But if you like to be a slave to emotions and the flesh it is entirely up to you.
Be well
AmenuelThis is completely true.
As a young man who does reflect on himself, I can tell how it is of a "natural" to be driven by your emotions.
We seek and long for attachment and even the simplest forms of attachments from a certain someone as a reply to our inexplicable emotions. And then build them even stronger and bigger under hope and wishful thinking of "the better state" of self when the attachment with that person is accomplished. Now this attachment may or may not be accomplished (and may or may not result in a marriage) but we do live as slaves trying/hoping for its accomplishment, until it is accomplished or you have new emotions.
It is surely a hard test, specially for a lonely person.
But one thing for sure Man Of Faith, you make such hardships seem ridiculously easy lol, I gotta credit you for that.
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There is nothing wrong with emotions, or passions, or reason or feelings. All is a matter of attending to eah aspect in due measure and in balance with everything else.
To say that emotions are bad is to say that God creates bad things. Emotions make us kare for other people, build something with other people. Aseticism itself is not voi of emotion, quite the opposite, only it is a cetin type o emotion. Is it wrong? Not in its due measure. In excess it is wrong, but it is not the emotion itself that is wrong, it is the excess or the lack.
Salaam
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There is nothing wrong with emotions, or passions, or reason or feelings. All is a matter of attending to eah aspect in due measure and in balance with everything else.
To say that emotions are bad is to say that God creates bad things. Emotions make us kare for other people, build something with other people. Aseticism itself is not voi of emotion, quite the opposite, only it is a cetin type o emotion. Is it wrong? Not in its due measure. In excess it is wrong, but it is not the emotion itself that is wrong, it is the excess or the lack.
Salaam
You are totally wrong, we humans should behave like robots, because God wanted to make robots but He made a mistake and made humans with emotions.
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my question is still pending ?
what are the requirements to make a relation between same sex legal/halal?
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This is completely true.
As a young man who does reflect on himself, I can tell how it is of a "natural" to be driven by your emotions.
We seek and long for attachment and even the simplest forms of attachments from a certain someone as a reply to our inexplicable emotions. And then build them even stronger and bigger under hope and wishful thinking of "the better state" of self when the attachment with that person is accomplished. Now this attachment may or may not be accomplished (and may or may not result in a marriage) but we do live as slaves trying/hoping for its accomplishment, until it is accomplished or you have new emotions.
It is surely a hard test, specially for a lonely person.
But one thing for sure Man Of Faith, you make such hardships seem ridiculously easy lol, I gotta credit you for that.
I have not said it is easy though, but one has to have confidence that the control over matter is a necessity.
It can give bad conscience sometimes when you do not seem to care about anything with passion, when there is an instinctive detachment and you have a family of your own. I have to struggle hard to emulate that on a daily basis. I could seem like a robot, but I am a good actor. However with many things which ought to come natural I got issues with.
When your consciousness grows you will gradually gain a subconscious change and you will sense the detachment. You only have to strengthen your being. To Be is to be Being. And then you cannot be absorbed by primitive and vain, unproductive activities of this world.
The body only requires minimal stimulation of the "fun factor" in order to retain healthiness, but our instinct does not hold any limit and we will go towards excess without conscious input. And that is true for anything else too for that matter.
We should not make so many needs for ourselves in this world. Enslavement is deteriorating the spirit.
Be well
Amenuel -
There is nothing wrong with emotions, or passions, or reason or feelings. All is a matter of attending to eah aspect in due measure and in balance with everything else.
To say that emotions are bad is to say that God creates bad things. Emotions make us kare for other people, build something with other people. Aseticism itself is not voi of emotion, quite the opposite, only it is a cetin type o emotion. Is it wrong? Not in its due measure. In excess it is wrong, but it is not the emotion itself that is wrong, it is the excess or the lack.
Salaam
Emotions are a fleshly reaction and not necessary, but they can feel pleasant however also be a burden. The less affected by emotions you are the less burdening your life is overall.
One example is if a family member dies, but your detachment from passion makes you get over it quickly and it does not affect you adversely.
If you have a passionate affection to people around you might not care much about the person whose life events turned him/her into darkness. But if you were emotionally detached and thought logically you might have had a better understanding and tolerance. What does it take to care for someone who is opposed to you? You must not be marked emotionally when the person hurts you.
Emotions are also a part of your main drive to acquire things in life.
God created the human body as a test and it is a temporary envelope. The failures will be given new skins to be burned over and over again.
Everything is about always acting in a logical and rational way. It will not be possible in a realm of emotions. This is why is world is not efficient. People have their emotions, their passions.
Dare to be a robot! It is nothing to be embarrassed about, and you can laugh about it too when you observe your acting from your elevated consciousness as a result of it all. And God has humor. You should only know how much God is amused by you people. Many of you make God into some military dictator. The bloke is the most clement being. But God does not have primitive emotions but can control it without this weakness.
Be well
Amenuel -
my question is still pending ?
what are the requirements to make a relation between same sex legal/halal?
3021 And from His signs is that He created for you mates from yourselves that you may reside with them, and He placed between you affection and mercy. In that are signs for a people who reflect
This? Finding someone to feel and share affection and mercy? Quiet and respect? Nooot easy to find at all. And I don't see procreation implicit here... What about couples who can not have children, then?
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3021 And from His signs is that He created for you mates from yourselves that you may reside with them, and He placed between you affection and mercy. In that are signs for a people who reflect
This? Finding someone to feel and share affection and mercy? Quiet and respect? Nooot easy to find at all. And I don't see procreation implicit here... What about couples who can not have children, then?
its not about children, its about a physical relationship...
ok i ask a question in straight forward way..
what are the requiremrents to make a physical relation between two same sexes permisible/halal/legal?
male and female even have limits for the relationship.. when it comes to physical involvement.. apart from wedlock the physical relation is not encouraged by God...
so what wedlock or requirement must be fullfilled to be a homo or lesbo?
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God's wedlock is precisely that flesh relation, wedlock as distinct from fleshrelation is a human fabrication which has given unhonourable humans a way out of the mithaq ghalith that is mentioned in the Qur'an regarding that relationship. Wedlock is that or is nothing, because if you do not take the flesh relation as the mithaq ghalith then you are saying in fact that wedlock between any two persons no matter the sex is perfectly possible, you are shooting your own foot.
Hole is hte human relation between male and female because that is the source of new life, if not, it is nothing, and anything can be invented, wedlock, wedding, or whatever social entertainmen or legal paper but no social act and no paper will give birth to a new being.
Salaam
i think u are unable to understand what i ask so in that case i advise you to read it again...
what is the link of birth with physical relationship.. apart from process ..?
do people only sex for creating kids or there is something else?BOLD yes the cause of human birth is a liquid instead of paper i can understand that but its not the answer of what i ask...lol