Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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What mistake exactly? Being gay?
hmm what mistake being thief, killer, rapist exactly...?
At what age did you decide to become hetero?
it you who claim its not by choice its inborn babies...
yes I can remember when I was 4 years old I stood in front of the mirror and choose to be hetero
good memory...
so you choose hetro sexual its was not inborn with you same like homo choose..I also have to see the first new born doing hetero pornography in his/her early age, whatever that may mean.
look at the reply above this quote
This is simply totally nonsense.
There are some people who are born mentally not 100% and can start killing at some point but even those people are exempt from "normal" law.? whats this ... and what nonsense...
thief /muder/rapist all are by nature what they are (thats what i said) add homo in it too
What do you mean? Do you not support that God has created homosexuals? Are you challenging God in His decisions?
i know God created everything ... even the evil
but i m against the evil and its something very natural ... and you are supporting it.. thats the visible part of our discussion and in light of this you decide who is challaging who...I know you think you have given some very nice examples with your comparisons between homosexuals and murderers, but you should seriously consider some other examples because your comparisons are simply ridiculous.
that make me remember a saying ,, the people who lives in the house of glass should b careful while throwing stones on others...
all of your examples are even more illogical... and ridiclous...
I know that acceptation is hard sometimes, but it's NOT the fault of the daughter or son that he/she is gay.
yes exactly its hard to accept always but its not the fault of killer thief adulterer and rapist becoz they are what they are?
its the fault of God who make them like this or its the fault of evil that he invent the evil...? human being is very innocent bravo
There are also some people who suffer when they get a girl, they feel ashamed, sometimes they even kill her to save their family honor.
hmm dnt worry they will be asked and God will show them what they use to do
818 When the little girl that was buried alive is made to ask
819 "For what crime was she killed?"and also from people who are trying to disfigure the nature ...like homo ,bisexual ,animal sexers , phidophile all of them...
Not a mother would be more in peace but YOU would be more in peace.
may be you and me are differ in thinking ,,
you may like if you are in peace but dosent matter about mother...
but i will not b in peace if my mother suffer due to me...You are not a mother, you know nothing about what it is to be a mother and you will never know in this life.
And if you don't have kids then you do not even know what it is to be a father, and even if you were one then you do not speak for all fathers.future discussion may bot apply ... but from the experience of parents of homo and gay i feel they are embarrassed at highest level and dnt even want to share and accept that truth... i dnt know why even in the countries where this is legal to have gay lesbian relationship... people still embarrased about it , including their parents... double standards of life on other words
I can't remember you asked me this, maybe I overlooked it but I can answer you now.
I don't know what the disadvantages are of a woman married with homosexual man, you have to ask that woman not me.yes once i asked from her , and she start crying and told me a story of first night of her wedding...
her husband told her i will give you one surprise and one shock at same time she say really what then my love...
suddenly husband went outside and bring four boys inside the room... she get shocked ... but suddenly he give her a surprise ,, darling its not for you its for me ... hahahahaha
first wife thinks something terrible is going to happen but she relaxed after knwoing his husband is gay... yay
Why do I need the quran for this? I know without looking at the quran that there are gays, I did not create them but He did, I am not in argument with The One who created homosexuals.
if you look OP this is justified by quran to have a relationship with homo legally...
so if you dnt want to bring quran inside then may b the discussion was on different level...
and about the one who created , he also created lot of other things what people do...
almost all sins/wrong doings are going on from early stages of human being... and small to large level intrestingly in every community... presently too..but i think the evils are created by evil so God should not be blame ... even in the case of homo... got it huny... lol
And you and me understand the quran so differently that it is in my opinion useless to bring in the quran.
yehs exactly ..thats why i was advising the poster not to bring quran inside for supporting this shit... but he is lucky some clever forum members seems inline with this fahish act... not surprising he is successful in it... he is an intelligent poster anyway... rotfl
RED Products of shaytaan, don't compare God with shaytaan.
why you didnt paint red on gay hahahahaha....
yeh all are the products of devil but God is the creator of everything including shaytaan ...so here is the advise
1131 Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of the rising dawn,"
1132 "From the evil of what He has created,"thats why due to the evil of homosex and lot of other things there is a nation get banged by some next level handsome angels hahahaha a beautiful lesson
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Greetings and Peace, all group
My comments in red.
Most of what you say isnt right. We already have rules for adultery in later chapters.
And the other rules cover adultery between heterosexual adulterers. The Qur'an, being complete, in these ayat cover adultery between homosexual adulterers.
And you didnt answer why it says "the two men". Its really about homosexuals
See above answer. It is about homosexuals--but not primarily about homosexuality. It is what the homosexuals are doing and not the homosexuality that is the bigger picture.
Then you continue to say "lustful". No, because we are told they approach men instead of women, meaning God is saying about relationships. Would God say to approach women instead of men lustfully? But we already know the rules regarding approaching women outside marriage.
Were they approaching to sell fresh produce? That it was lustful is key, that spouses are forgetting their marriage to pursue lust is the main idea and that it was towards other men is description.
Look at 2187 and compare it with 22165. Notice any glaring differences?
2187 It has been made permissible for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. GOD knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what GOD has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are the boundaries of GOD, so do not transgress them. It is thus that GOD clarifies His revelations to the people that they may be righteous.
26165 "Do you approach the males of the worlds?"
Also for comparison
6151 Say "Come let me recite what your Lord has forbidden for you that you should not set up anything with Him; and do good to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near immorality, what is public of it and private; and do not kill the life, as GOD has forbidden this, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend."
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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It appears I am not the only one who does not understand you. police
Why not put your stealing, raping, killing to the test and let us know the results and benefits.
(they say experience is the best teacher) handshakepolice
yes becoz understandings of things are achieved by experience ... so you may find a boyfriend to get a experience , its actually an advice so that you can also tells us how you lose and gain something after that relationship... ! its a work for community you may reward by 72 virgin boys in heavens hahaha just kidding...
BOLD no brother you are not the onlyone... group most of the times members take time when i ask questions at first they look easy but when they answer it they realsie aww it was hard actually... in some cases it takes 10 pages of posts to make people understand what was my question rotfl
RED even if you put anything in test logically its not harmful for you... you can further discuss this thing with me ... and let me know what role you want me to put in then i wll tell you.. look thats y i was suggesting you to read that post what i linked .. you probably will get your answers there
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You have a serious problem, This LGBTQI topic has made you irrational,
we will no longer interact in this thread.peace
nop my brother , i dnt have any problem with anybody at all... trust me.. its their life...
yeh but i have problem with the topics what people want to justify through the lens of quran...
my only problem starts when people bring their wishful thinking and claim thats what also inline with quran...
so i feel my duty to write things what will bring some purposeful results...peace
note brother hawk... i hope you will always think it why i write that irrational post untill hahaha just kidding...
everything happen due to a reason and i m successful in it (what i wanted you to understand)
now first i apologise from you if u feel bad...
second thing look i just say it in joke and you find it harsh and insulting but think about the parents when they find out their sons daughter are gay ... in reality ... not in jokes...
problem with this LGBT shit is this ,,, its disgusting and its the matter of respect comes in between thats why God forbid all fahish acts and immoralities
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Salam,
So I see the community is divided regarding "LGBT".
That's unfortunate. Extremely unfortunate.Anyway, you who are pro-LGBT, can you tell us ,who are anti-LGBT (following the laws of God), how pleased the rejecters are and also, is it enough to conform to some Western values? What I'm trying to say is, have you pleased the rejecters well enough?
Soon, you can also make "adultery under special circumstances" permissible, so you can also please the rejecters instead of God.A funny story; I was in a restaurant, and the chef there served pig meat. He was of the sunni sectarian, and I asked him how come. His response was piglets are allowed but not menstruating pigs rotfl . Here you have a lesson to please the rejecters.
maybe one day the rejecters will open their arms and accept you because you said it's "Adam and Steve" instead of Adam and Eve.
nope
Salam
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Salam,
So I see the community is divided regarding "LGBT".
That's unfortunate. Extremely unfortunate.Anyway, you who are pro-LGBT, can you tell us ,
Salaam,
In my case I am not pro, they are what they are, just like you and me, God created them just like you and me.
If someone has problems with these people then they should ask God for clarification, He is their creator.
If you think God created them so that you can point your finger at them then I think you have a little bit of explanation to do with The Creator.who are anti-LGBT (following the laws of God), how pleased the rejecters are and also, is it enough to conform to some Western values? What I'm trying to say is, have you pleased the rejecters well enough?
The rejecters in this case are only they who reject what The Creator created with His Hand.
Soon, you can also make "adultery under special circumstances" permissible, so you can also please the rejecters instead of God.
Being a homosexual has nothing to do with adultery, adultery is for sure forbidden by God without any exceptions.
A funny story; I was in a restaurant, and the chef there served pig meat. He was of the sunni sectarian, and I asked him how come. His response was piglets are allowed but not menstruating pigs rotfl . Here you have a lesson to please the rejecters.
Yes life is about pleasing the rejecters/western world.
maybe one day the rejecters will open their arms and accept you because you said it's "Adam and Steve" instead of Adam and Eve.
nope
Salam
FYI there is no Eve in the quran, but I am sure you already know that.
Salaam,
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Bender is right folks ) Nothing wrong with sodomy as a norm
as far as those not endowed with reason are concerned, that is.If I say I am a hetero do you also immediately think I am involved in orgies or do you have this only when the word homosexual is mentioned?
And yes I am a lot of times wrong but I am 100% sure I am right in this case.
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No; prove that your God has a hand rotfl
I used the popular word for yad for people like you so that they have something to rotfl about, when they have nothing useful to say.
The rejecters in this case are only they who reject what The Creator created with His Hand.
Here is my proof.
Since they are a creation they must be created by a Creator.Being a homosexual has nothing to do with adultery
there is nothing to proof here, you clearly do not know the difference between homosexuality and adultery.anything else?
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God never forget...
instead he make a sign for all of us to ponder about it... police
it was a lesson too for the people who approach mean instead of women...
and these things are written in book too but people are always very argumentive its also written in the book...
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haha people are asking proof ... rotfl
if a person kill/rape/steal someone and we will keep on argue that its a proven fact that killers /rapist/ thiefs exist what does it prove actually...
my two cent for this 2 rotfl rotfl
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And yes I am a lot of times wrong but I am 100% sure I am right in this case.
which case ? that homosex is allowed ?
by the way u did not provide any evidence so far so how you are 100 % sure?
and last question .. is it ok to be 100 % sure on something on wishful thinking? confused