Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen

Bender

Do ye come unto (ie. lay with) the males of the tellurians (ie. humans), and forsake what your Lord has proportioned for ye to be your mates ?! Nay, ye are indeed an intrusive folk !

Straw man argument.

There are no brackets in the original, but you can put in brackets wherever you wish to make your point.
So "Rabbu al3alameen" means "The Rab of the tellurians (ie. humans)"? interesting.

Ignoratio elenchi and quote mining.

I am just a simple human male of the tellurians who speaks only dutch, a little bit of broken english and some berber. If you do not mind then try to lower your level of geniusness so that I can also understand what you are saying.
But my feeling tells me (again) that your use of difficult language is nothing more than dodging.

Interesting life story! More of that please.

Only if you make me again a nice piece of art. Do you have a latin speaking cow with glasses in your collection? Would love to see that.

Man_of_Faith

Wisdom at its best, Bender.

The_Sardar

Relaaaaaaax and let's do something about tyranny and wars and poor and homeless and plutocracy and oppression because homosexual people is not the people bringing THE EVIL to our world. You don't even know if they are!!! We could learn much more from them.

And it is soooooooooooo important for God that those gays get punished that He forgot to reveal a chapter for their eternal punishment

Finally alhamdullilah someone gets it! Allah (SWT) bless dear sister.

Adem

There are no brackets in the original,

It's a translation !

but you can put in brackets wherever you wish to make your point.

Duh! done so already ???

So "Rabbu al3alameen" means "The Rab of the tellurians (ie. humans)"? interesting.

Yes, and "rabbu" too you should translate to english.

I am just a simple human male of the tellurians who speaks only dutch, a little bit of broken english and some berber.

Good for you

If you do not mind then try to lower your level of geniusness so that I can also understand what you are saying.

I don't have to lower my IQ to teach you what a logical fallacy is !

But my feeling tells me (again) that your use of difficult language is nothing more than dodging.

What difficult language ?! You illiterate or something ?

Do you have a latin speaking cow with glasses in your collection? Would love to see that.

Latin no, but berber speaking cows are to be found. If you wish to buy one barato, try a flemish nightclub.

imrankhawaja

you've lost your dignity, pathetic yuck

hmm so here is the master piece of dignity by you... pathetic on its height .. ignore

imrankhawaja

Do you mean that "26165 Of all the creatures in the worlds, you approach males." is an original verse?
If so than you have a good point, even approaching animals would be no problem as long as they are female animals.

yes you understand now... male human and female human
as well as male animals with female animals produce offsprings..

atleast animals are more inline with nature compared to humans .. they know that lion dnt have to rape with tree, rotfl the lioness is there for lion and a lion dnt have to sex with lion rotfl

aww i think there is also a sex detrmination in plants if i can recall it correctly ...

your own reasonings of LGBT digging the grave of your said claim again and again and again...

I really like to discuss quran verses but not with somebody who thinks he is playing a game of chess and certainly not with somebody who does not even know the rules of the game.
FYI when a chessplayer does not have any legal moves left then he/she is not trying to get stalemated but he/she already is (or mated).

thats what the quality of this game .. losing king have 21 moves when he left alone ... lets have some more moves ... even king is already cornered plantey of times but some kings like to get checkmate again and again.. jedi

(27551)
a-innakum
Why do you
(27552)
latatna
approach
(27553)
l-rijla
the men
(27554)
shahwatan
(with) lust
(27555)
min
instead of
(27556)
dni
instead of
(27557)
l-nisi
the women?

Indeed, you are an ignorant people. (27/55)

you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...

imrankhawaja

And of course there is only one solution

CUT THE TREES OFF

hahahahaha rotfl rotfl the best solution... ...

ok what you will gona do with the animal who is is get raped by human... are we allowed to halal it then eat...?

like lamb or goat or cow..

virginia

Ignoratio elenchi with quote mining.

a superbia initium sumpsit omnis perditio nope

Sofisms are cool when properly used... Wisdom and knowledge are very different things.

hahahahaha rotfl rotfl the best solution... ...

ok what you will gona do with the animal who is is get raped by human... are we allowed to halal it then eat...?

like lamb or goat or cow..

Of course not! We cover the goat with burka and we are all fineeeeeeeeee peace
rotfl

Finally alhamdullilah someone gets it! Allah (SWT) bless dear sister.

Aw you group

God bless you! sun

Bender

It's a translation !

Duh! done so already ???

Yes, and "rabbu" too you should translate to english.

Good for you

I don't have to lower my IQ to teach you what a logical fallacy is !

What difficult language ?! You illiterate or something ?

Latin no, but berber speaking cows are to be found. If you wish to buy one barato, try a flemish nightclub.

The fact still remains that you have absolutely nothing to bring to the 3 verses, exept some expensive latin words, speaking animal pics, and insults to female forum members.

Bender

hmm so here is the master piece of dignity by you... pathetic on its height .. ignore

Yes, and every time I see you insult women again (in your case a much older woman) I will loose my dignity and tell you how pathetic it is.

Man_of_Faith

People acting like schoolchildren...

Bender

yes you understand now... male human and female human
as well as male animals with female animals produce offsprings..

atleast animals are more inline with nature compared to humans .. they know that lion dnt have to rape with tree, rotfl the lioness is there for lion and a lion dnt have to sex with lion rotfl

RED

thats what the quality of this game .. losing king have 21 moves when he left alone ... lets have some more moves ... even king is already cornered plantey of times but some kings like to get checkmate again and again.. jedi

(27551)
a-innakum
Why do you
(27552)
latatna
approach
(27553)
l-rijla
the men
(27554)
shahwatan
(with) lust
(27555)
min
instead of
(27556)
dni
instead of
(27557)
l-nisi
the women?

Indeed, you are an ignorant people. (27/55)

you always welcome to bring your faulty interpreatation for this if you have any objection with this move...

rijaal does not mean men but foot.

evidence

(22276)
rijlan
(on) foot

(22393)
farijlan
then (pray) on foot

(3141)
zuyyina
Beautified

(3142)
lilnnsi
for mankind (thus also females)

(3143)
ubbu
(is) love

(3144)
l-shahawti
(of) the (things they) desire -

(3145)
mina
of

(3146)
l-nisi
women

Thus all women are by nature lesbians. This can be further proved by 2187
2187 It has been made permissible for you (males and females) the night preceding fasting to go to your wives .

Wakas

Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor. Here is a good place to start

Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.

rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227

rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726

rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012

LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl

Aladin_from_Azra_tribe

So, Bender, rijal in 726 is feet of humans and feet of jinn?

Rejul is induvidual, and rijal is individuals.

And the story of Lut's a.s. people is only about males from his people, marked as "qawm" and "brothers of Lut".
But to understand more about this people should think why Lut's wife was punished.

Cursed are those who're following deen of homosexuals and those who wanna do sin with angels.

Bender

Bender, your translation and attempted evidence is poor.

I think you missed my point.
If he (imran) uses corpus quran to make a claim then I am also allowed to use the same source to make a claim.

Here is a good place to start
Ra-Jiim-Lam = to go on foot, urge with foot, walk, tie by the feet, let (a female) suckle her young, be curly (hair), set free with his mother. rajjala - to comfort anyone, comb the hair, grant a respite. tarajjala - to go down without rope. rijlatun - vigour in walking. rijlun - foot, soldiers, good walker, tramp. arajil - hunters, pedestrian. rajulun - male human being, man, a person with heir. rajilun - foot, footmen (slow walkers). rijlain - two feet. arjul (pl.) - feet.

rajil n.m. (pl. rijal) 2239, 1764, 2227

rajul n.m. (pl. rijal) 2228, 2282, 2282, 2282, 41, 47, 412, 432, 434, 475, 498, 4176, 523, 69, 746, 748, 763, 769, 781, 7155, 9108, 102, 1178, 12109, 1643, 1676, 1747, 1832, 1837, 217, 2325, 2338, 2431, 2437, 258, 2755, 2815, 2820, 2929, 334, 3323, 3340, 347, 3443, 3620, 3862, 3929, 3929, 3929, 4028, 4028, 4331, 4825, 726, 726

rijl n.f. (pl. arjul) 56, 533, 566, 665, 7124, 7195, 2071, 2424, 2431, 2445, 2649, 2955, 3665, 3842, 6012

LL, V3, p 209, 210, 211, 212, 213 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=rjl

I don't see why this source is better than corpus quran.

Anyway, I know that a lot of people here use
1 quranic word (root) ==> n interpretations/translations/understandings/concepts/etc (n >= 1)
I totally don't agree with this approach, with this approach I can make every word fit what I want it to be.
I can make rijaal="berber people" in verses where I think it will benefit me, and I can make rijaal="not berber people" where I see some disadvantage for me.
For me 1 quranic word/root ==> 1 interpretation/concept
I don't see any link between "to go on foot" and " let (a female) suckle her young" or "man" etc
But of course everyone is free to study the quran how he/she think it will benefit him/her most.

Bender

So, Bender, rijal in 726 is feet of humans and feet of jinn?

No, ofcourse rijaal does not mean foot nor does it mean males/men

Cursed are those who're following deen of homosexuals and those who wanna do sin with angels.

RED what does deen of homosexuals mean?
BLUE I was not planning to do sin with angels, but in case one day when I am to drunk and want to do sin with angels, then how exactly am I going to achieve that?

Wakas

Bender,

For me 1 quranic word/root ==> 1 interpretation/concept

Perhaps you can clarify further. Which of the below

Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
(1) or (2) or (3) or (4) and every root/word has its own distinct meaning
something else, if so please clarify.

Depending on your answer, it may be possible to test your theory.

Bender

Bender,
Perhaps you can clarify further. Which of the below

Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that an Arabic word should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same meaning in every Quran occurrence?
Are you claiming that every derived word(s) from a root should have the same theme/concept (but perhaps slightly different shade of meaning depending on context) in every Quran occurrence?
(1) or (2) or (3) or (4) and every root/word has its own distinct meaning
something else, if so please clarify.

Depending on your answer, it may be possible to test your theory.

Well I'm not claiming anything, just sharing how I study the quran.

For me it's like this
1 root has exactly 1 concept/theme, every derived word from that root has a strong correlation with the rootconcept/theme.
2 identical derived words have identical meanings but withing the concept/theme of the root.
2 (slightly) different derived words have 2 (slightly) different meanings but within the concept of the root.
The context has no influence on the meaning of the word.

Man_of_Faith

On this I agree with Bender.

Be well
Amenuel

huruf

Arabic I see it as german a word has a seminal meaning, wchih can be actualised in mny contexts. That meaning is always the same.

I see it in the light like the word jinn, can be anything, provided it responds to the actual meaning of the root which is covered or made unvisible by any contrption or reason or means. Anything which is subject to tht condition is a jinn. On translation there may bemani differnet words for it. From the same root janna, garden it is hidden by leaves and trees.

The root concept is the same, but it is ctualised in the context.

Salaam