Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
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apart from all this , i have a logical question?
let put quran at the side for once..
if a person is transgender .. like i m also experiencing some frd requests now a days.. who are they medically , male or female...
people claim they are both , half male half female so they get operation for finding the right path whatever they want to become...
is it really possible... as we know everything is in pair either male or female.. what is this inbetween
and if there is really such a creation like this then its not a sin for them to approach anyone whatever suits them... its their need you can say that...
this is confused topic itself first we need to understand all the grounds of the subject then we can discuss further how we can deal with it...
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Please don't try to lecture me, it's not about if his views are bothering me or not. It's about LGBT was a taboo in the past, with time people like him have promoted these disgusting things and in today's world you get attacked if you even think about criticizing them. Sorry bro, but I don't want my son to be a fag or a tranny, If people here want that please keep it private because it's better for everyone.
2170 And if they are told "Follow what GOD has sent down," they say "No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!" What if their fathers did not comprehend anything and were not guided?
A lot of the forum members here come from western countries that promote extreme liberal ideologies, then try to interpret the Quran in that fashion.
4911 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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My comments in red.
apart from all this , i have a logical question?
let put quran at the side for once..
if a person is transgender .. like i m also experiencing some frd requests now a days.. who are they medically , male or female...
Transgender can be medically male or female, but not both. Intersex are born with tissues of both male and female. In North America, about 1 in 2000 babies are born intersex. There are also people who have sex reassignment therapy.
people claim they are both , half male half female so they get operation for finding the right path whatever they want to become...
is it really possible... as we know everything is in pair either male or female.. what is this inbetween
Biological in between is intersex.
and if there is really such a creation like this then its not a sin for them to approach anyone whatever suits them... its their need you can say that...
this is confused topic itself first we need to understand all the grounds of the subject then we can discuss further how we can deal with it...
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_therapy
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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6104 "Visible proofs have come to you from your Lord; so whoever can see, does so for himself, and whoever is blinded, will be such. I am not a watcher over you."
May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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homosex does not hurt anybody , bravo
hetrosex also does not hurt anybody..
speaking lie does not hurt somebody
borrow a credit money from bank and didnt give it back does not hurt anybody
buying a cell phone and making false claims two times a year does not hurt anybody...and lot of more things .....
What is your point? The three last arguments may hurt someone.
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What is your point? The three last arguments may hurt someone.
His point is, what is immoral isn't necessarily hurtful. Hurtful in the ridiculous way we "modern" human beings all agree with. Hurtful as slapping someone in the face.
Very low standards indeed, for Godly beings.
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It is all from you people.
From the well elaborated definitions to the fabricated values of your societies. It is all you. Discuss all you want about it.
I have grown in a society where you could kiss to the cheek and hug and even share a bed with another male out of lack of space without even the sexual ideas crossing your mind. Heck, in some places people don't have beds, they share the floor with each other. Males hold hands with each other whenever they feel like out of friendship and fraternity. This was at the time the foreign media and internet had very little influence on such places. Now it changed.
This entire sexualising of everything came from you people. You have poisoned everything, and put your definitions on anything. So you "dig" into the verse of God the way you want, and come up with the definitions that suits your societies. Your societies are porn-driven societies. Slaves to feelings. It is all linked. The spreading of this "phenomena" is growing. Internet and media is contributing to it, your part of the internet and media.
Discuss all you want about it.
P.s if the "you people" bothered you, good.
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What is your point? The three last arguments may hurt someone.
no all five actually hurt someone and all five may not hurt someone aswell...
example , homosex can hurt someone if victim father get to know...
hetrosex can hurt someone emotions too specially in the case of married couples
speaking lie cannot hurt someone if i tell to my manager i m late due to the failure of my car ..instead of telling him truth that i get late due to my own laziness
get credits from bank and did not pay them back , cannot hurt if we know organisations are insurance covered..
the false claim of mobile also harmless when we know insurance company is backed up the owner...but in all this we have to see the nature of action...
so its up to you what is the purpose of those actions ..
on other words if actions are harmless does not mean its right to do it..
in all five you get satisfied that you did not harm anybody but when you ask from inside then the voice of your conscience will tell you..
God knows whats in the chests .. you can cheat/trick with system/laws but it will only save you from society not from the consequences of these actions will save you from the law of God.. -
Homosexuality can have its roots in various reasons such as that the soul has had a female sex body in the past and made a strong imprint to it
i just remeber this funny claim of you ammanuel ... trust me i still cant decide either i laugh rotfl on it or i do this brickwall
so what i find new in the concept of incranation is this souls can also change genders in that theory... hmm
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Transgender can be medically male or female, but not both. Intersex are born with tissues of both male and female
so there is also male and female in intersex... i mean intesex male and intersex female... ?
and can you tell me trangender girl, ? a little bit detail... can she get pregnat..?
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I remember reading a thread on homosexuality a while back in which someone wrote about their experiences of being in San Francisco
Clearly, this is just one person's experience/opinion. I've never been to San Francisco myself. Still thought the above was worth noting. If someone wants to take the approach that homosexuality as a whole is bad, then this could be the "evidence" for a whole society - of predominantly homosexual people - being prohibited by God.
In SF, LGBT constitute only 6.8% of total population..
Thus they're not yet "dominant" or "majority" but a very very small minority...To me 'homosexual' as the cause of 'city destruction by explosion' (meteorite or other causes) is as absurd as 'sacrificing virgin to the Gods' is the cause of "rain" to fall on the area. (Which was widely believed in Canaan during the time of Lot).
Speaking of which... there will be a BIG earthquake coming to SF (and other US western coast cities) between now to 2100..
I wonder whether they will again blame 'homosexuality' as the cause of the earthquake in SF (and other US west coast cities).The BIG earthquake will definitely NOT caused by the movement of earth's crust tectonic plate which happened to lie just few miles away from US western coast... that doesn't make sense at all... how can an earth tectonic plate caused an earthquake right?
Definitely... Homosexuality is to blame as the primary cause for the BIG earthquake... with Sodom as evidence...
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It does seem that a fragment of the human population is born innately homosexual. It means it was the decision of "God" according to your common reasoning regarding that phenomenon. These people cannot help their condition except to enter celibacy if they like to refrain from vain bodily stimulation. It has been shown these people cannot endure a normal heterosexual relationship.
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so there is also male and female in intersex... i mean intesex male and intersex female... ?
and can you tell me trangender girl, ? a little bit detail... can she get pregnat..?
Intersex is intersex, both male and female are present. Chromosomes may be other than XX or XY, or a combination thereof. One gender may manifest more than another biologically, and it is typical for the person to identify with one gender. Intersex people are often not fertile, but can be--circumstances vary.
Biological women who are transgender can get pregnant, ISA. Biological men who are transgender can not get pregnant, even if they have had surgery to have female parts.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Transgender and such that are done through surgery is the work of the devil.
Please stop with this nonsense! Don't you perceive what you are doing? You have made your desire more important than God! brickwall brickwall brickwall
4119 ?And I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will
command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock,
and I will command them so they will make changes to the
creation of God.? Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other
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Transgender and such that are done through surgery is the work of the devil.
Please stop with this nonsense! Don't you perceive what you are doing? You have made your desire more important than God! brickwall brickwall brickwall
4119 ?And I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will
command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock,
and I will command them so they will make changes to the
creation of God.? Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other
than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.I don't recall anyone on the thread promoting anything; it is entirely possible to comment/study/observe on something without supporting or detracting.
I'm well aware of 4119, although many people don't seem to consider it when it comes to circumcision and FGM and tattoos and piercings and GMOs and cosmetic surgery (under ordinary circumstances).
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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I'm well aware of 4119, although many people don't seem to consider it when it comes to circumcision and FGM and tattoos and piercings and GMOs and cosmetic surgery (under ordinary circumstances).
That's it ?
You are well aware but it is ok, let's look at all these people who don't even consider that verse under ordinary circumstances...let alone consider it under "special circumstances". What is even the point of saying that ? It doesn't help you at all.
It is not new that there are many people who cherry-pick from the Quran what suits their society or their "principles", it is not new at all, people before Quran did it to previous scriptures.
God knows what's in the hearts of the people.
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My comments in red.
That's it ?
You are well aware but it is ok, let's look at all these people who don't even consider that verse under ordinary circumstances...let alone consider it under "special circumstances". What is even the point of saying that ? It doesn't help you at all.
Special circumstances might include repair of cleft lip or cleft palate, surgery after a disfiguring accident/burn, breast reduction surgery for health benefits, cosmetic surgery after a mastectomy, and so forth. These are some of the entirely valid reasons for cosmetic surgery. There are even a few times when circumcision is medically necessary.
It is not new that there are many people who cherry-pick from the Quran what suits their society or their "principles", it is not new at all, people before Quran did it to previous scriptures.
There are many things that are not new in the world. Clinging to tradition for tradition's sake, injustice, hatred, bigotry, ignorance, hypocrisy, oppression, and a host of other things come to mind. It is easier to dismiss uncomfortable truth than to embrace it and it takes a strong person to admit (even to themselves) that they have been wrong. If anyone feels that an ayat is out of context in a discussion, they should say so, and explain why; this is, after all, an open discussion.
God knows what's in the hearts of the people.
And ALLAH needs no help in this or any other regard.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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I see you deflecting what A Submitter said and what I said. Let me help you out by taking your red comments outside of my comments and re-address the thing properly.
A Submitter Transgender and such that are done through surgery is the work of the devil.
Please stop with this nonsense! Don't you perceive what you are doing? You have made your desire more important than God!
4119 ?And I will misguide them and make them desire, and I will
command them, so that they will mark the ears of the livestock,
and I will command them so they will make changes to the
creation of God.? Whoever takes the devil as a supporter other
than God, then he has indeed lost a great loss.Abdul-Hadi I don't recall anyone on the thread promoting anything; it is entirely possible to comment/study/observe on something without supporting or detracting.
I'm well aware of 4119, although many people don't seem to consider it when it comes to circumcision and FGM and tattoos and piercings and GMOs and cosmetic surgery (under ordinary circumstances).Cerberus That's it ? You are well aware but it is ok, let's look at all these people who don't even consider that verse under ordinary circumstances...let alone consider it under "special circumstances". What is even the point of saying that ? It doesn't help you at all.
It is not new that there are many people who cherry-pick from the Quran what suits their society or their "principles", it is not new at all, people before Quran did it to previous scriptures.
God knows what's in the hearts of the people.Abdul-Hadi Special circumstances might include repair of cleft lip or cleft palate, surgery after a disfiguring accident/burn, breast reduction surgery for health benefits, cosmetic surgery after a mastectomy, and so forth. These are some of the entirely valid reasons for cosmetic surgery. There are even a few times when circumcision is medically necessary. There are many things that are not new in the world. Clinging to tradition for tradition's sake, injustice, hatred, bigotry, ignorance, hypocrisy, oppression, and a host of other things come to mind. It is easier to dismiss uncomfortable truth than to embrace it and it takes a strong person to admit (even to themselves) that they have been wrong. If anyone feels that an ayat is out of context in a discussion, they should say so, and explain why; this is, after all, an open discussion. And ALLAH needs no help in this or any other regard.
No one has an issue with surgery after a disfiguring accident or burn or even a tooth surgery..and you know it. Nor is that the reason A Submitter added that verse, and you also know it. Yet you went for those things assuming that the verse is against such things . Why don't you try to reply to what people actually say rather than throw your red comments inbetween to dismantle their saying and twist it.
Anyways, you'll excuse me now I gotta go back to my cave and light a fire.
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Longer conversations can be unwieldy and confusing if posted without reference to what has been already said. It is like cutting a meal into smaller portions for consumption. Color coding is also an attempt to make it easier for the reader.
I see you deflecting what A Submitter said and what I said. Let me help you out by taking your red comments outside of my comments and re-address the thing properly.
No one has an issue with surgery after a disfiguring accident or burn or even a tooth surgery..and you know it. Nor is that the reason A Submitter added that verse, and you also know it. Yet you went for those things assuming that the verse is against such things . Why don't you try to reply to what people actually say rather than throw your red comments inbetween to dismantle their saying and twist it.
Anyways, you'll excuse me now I gotta go back to my cave and light a fire.
4119 is relevant to the conversation. Could it be that you are assuming what my understanding is, even though you have not even asked? hmm When information is presented, one shouldn't presuppose the position of the presenter.
The other things that people do to change creation are applicable to the conversation in regards to considering how serious it is, for considering that there might be acceptable reasons, and for people to think about applying Guidance to THEMSELVES before thinking to apply it to others. How can a person claim a moral high ground if they engage in what they decry? That would be nothing but base hypocrisy.
http//bilerico.lgbtqnation.com/2009/08/why_sex_change_surgery_is_medically_necessary.php
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
4817 There is no burden on the blind, nor is there any burden on the cripple, nor is there any burden on the sick. And whoever obeys GOD and His messenger, He will admit them into gardens with rivers flowing beneath them; and whoever turns away, He will punish him with a painful retribution.
There are times when sex reassignment surgery has been indicated as a medical treatment. I wasn't even aware of this until recently.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi