Few Questions
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I have a feeling that they are not lost. I think the problem is being made by their "translations". It is something Quran suffers from too. But thanks to Allah, the translation is always accompanied by its original language, Arabic.
shouldnt the Quran be the source to confirm if the Gospel is interpreted right?
Yes, this is how I see both the verses of those Books. Only the ones which match the Quran can be taken as right. If we go for the rest then we end up with things like
Stone the women
Allah told Jews to invade a country
and so on.Needless to say that Israliyat is partly responsible for corrupting the meanings of certain verses of the Quran. I would stick to just one Book because I seriously don't want to spend time filtering what is right and wrong in other scriptures. Even when they match it wouldn't make much difference to me because at the end of the day it is called "parroting".
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3isa is not Jesus of the Gospel neither with that name nor with any other name. The personage and his life is not the same, nothing at all to do with each other.
One is the son of a single mother, the other had a father who was a cabinet maker, one was born with his father along in a manger with an ox and a mule, the other was born alone at the foot of a palm tree, etc. etc. etc. No ressemblance at all.
Yes I agree totally. This is what is meant by relying totally on the Quran. Most have relied on older books and have clouded their minds with new information from the Quran - trying to make sense of it all old and new causes mainly conjecture. The Quran has stated clearly it supercedes the older teachings and only represents the truth - followers of the Quran must also act accordingly and stop wasting time looking back. Old books are filled with conjectures and of course some truth BUT you have no way of telling what is truth unless u have a solid reference AND that is represented by the Quran - ALFURQAN - a solid reference. And to me no matter how bad the Quran is translated, no translation can be perfect thus we need to read many translations (including going tru this forum) in order to find the best meanings - BUT best meanings comes from God when the time comes - if you are steadfast to the Quran.
And after going through many many translations, the message is the same - God is indescribable - God says do good things - God says strive to do better - believe in the unseen and accept it 'as is' until knowledge comes to u - everything is possible with God BUT God does not do stupid/silly/mindless/irrational things so stop thinking about God doing stupid/silly/irrational things just to please himself or for one's salvation like God has a son and he sacrificed his son to save his creation - simply put God creates and he also destroys - God do not change his system - everything comes from God - nothing comes from us except our acceptance of the situation put forth in front of us - God is the teacher of the Quran - etc.
In the Quran, the perspective is always about doing good and avoid the bad, it seems like a one sided perspective. There is another side - destruction and annihilation for failure to adhere - it represents the greater good. It is how we perceive the situation - as everything that comes from God is good - literally everything comes from God - what is bad? - what is bad is only our perspective/acceptance of the situation.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 44 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 84 And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable
5 A sower went out to sow his seed and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
11 Now the parable is this The seed is the word of God.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.
17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
18 Take heed therefore how ye hear for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 821 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 1128 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
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An English translation of the Gospel - John 1035 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
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An English translation of the Gospel - Acts 1920 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Romans 1017 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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An English translation of the Gospel - 1 Thessalonians 213 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
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An English translation of the Gospel - 1 Peter 123 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Revelation 12 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
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I have a feeling that they are not lost. I think the problem is being made by their "translations". It is something Quran suffers from too. But thanks to Allah, the translation is always accompanied by its original language, Arabic.
Example this whole trinity doctrine can't be found in the Gospel. How hard you search.
And all praise due to God, Lord of the worlds who granted us faith.
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I have a feeling that they are not lost. I think the problem is being made by their "translations". It is something Quran suffers from too. But thanks to Allah, the translation is always accompanied by its original language, Arabic.
Yes, this is how I see both the verses of those Books. Only the ones which match the Quran can be taken as right. If we go for the rest then we end up with things like
Stone the women
Allah told Jews to invade a country
and so on.Needless to say that Israliyat is partly responsible for corrupting the meanings of certain verses of the Quran. I would stick to just one Book because I seriously don't want to spend time filtering what is right and wrong in other scriptures. Even when they match it wouldn't make much difference to me because at the end of the day it is called "parroting".
Agreed
5/48 And We have revealed to you, the Book in truth, confirming that which
preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it.police
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It's Jesus, son of Mary, the Messiah who preached the Gospel
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 423 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
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An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 2414 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
And the Apostles did a great job in being an apostle
An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 95 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. 6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Just ask God, believe in it, we have enough indications in the Quran that tell us that the Gospel is send down by God and that it's people should even judge by it because He told us it's a Guidance and a Light.
An English translation of the Gospel - Mark 115 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Oh no, it doesn't change. It's the people who change what they think about it.
An English translation of the Gospel - Matthew 518 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Remember, how much thousands of years old this law is which is being mentioned here. It's was given to Moses. And you have read now what is written in the Gospel about the Torah.
Anyways, and also the Quran itself told us
An English translation of the Quran - 547 And let the people of the Gospel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.
It doesn't make sense that God would tell us to let a people judge with something that is corrupt. And it's He who protects Hes Reminder
An English translation of the Quran - 159 Indeed it is We who have sent down the Reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it.
Still you haven't answered my questions, you just quote several verses from the current so called Gospels. They were written by men, not send down from God since alot of it is about the life of Jesus and stories. The Quran yes does confirm the previous revelations but what is your proof that the 4 gospels are the injeel in the Quran. Don't quote the Gospels to prove this, show me an outside source with backing this claim!
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An English translation of the Gospel - 1 Peter 123 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
An English translation of the Gospel - Romans 1017 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
An English translation of the Gospel - Romans 1017 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
An English translation of the Gospel - Acts 1920 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
An English translation of the Gospel - John 1035 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
An English translation of the Gospel - Luke 1128 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
This and many more are nothing but spam, we all know were to find gospels to enlighten our souls, no need to make a post of every gospel verse.
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@Huruf, can you please explain further on this matter.
What exatly do you refer to?
If it is about 3isa not being Jesus
I may refer you to the treads in the forum where that question was dealt with extensively. I am very bad at finding tht kind of thing, but I think tht if you search the threads starte by Pazuzu or the treads where he hs got much input you should find plenty of details.
Other than that, remember that Maryam's mother was Imraa'ns wife and Maryam sister of Harun. The explanation for that given by those who sustain that 3isa is Jesus, whose lives, by the way, have nothing in common, the explanation is that it is some sort of honorific title to call like son of david or sister of Har?n...
I do not know where that is or has been an honorific title what is sure is that in the Qur'an there is not such a thing as honorific titles of that kind. On the other hand, in the Qur'an there only one 3imraan, not a few of them, and that Maryam's mother is precisely stated in the qur'an that she is the wife of 3imraan, there only one 3imran, only one wife of 3imraan.Funnily enough in the bible there is a sister of Harun and Musa who is called Myriam and who is called a prophetess.
Salaam
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This and many more are nothing but spam, we all know were to find gospels to enlighten our souls, no need to make a post of every gospel verse.
How can you call the words of God spam?
It's sad that i was banned for 7 days because of sharing verses from the Gospel. Oh, and that's why i can take those who were burned by fire to death because of sharing the Gospel as an example!
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How can you call the words of God spam?
It's sad that i was banned for 7 days because of sharing verses from the Gospel.
You had 8 posts in 10 minutes with single verses from the gospels without any comment or explanation, just copy paste.
What if we all do the same with our favorite book, just copy pasting single verses and sentences.
I think a forum is meant for conversations. -
This and many more are nothing but spam, we all know were to find gospels to enlighten our souls, no need to make a post of every gospel verse.
Indeed.