Why is the animal kingdom so cruel and full of death ?
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Its interesting how this world was designed. I wonder if it is hell where we are right now.
Saw a video clip of a plant strangling a insect in order to get food. It was hard to watch seeing the insect in pain and panic while the plant was having a delicious "breakfast" so to say.
However we all now by the design of this world the plant is forced to make this cruel action in order to get the necessary nutrients in order to survive.
I can somehow relate to the philosophy that Satan is the ruler of this world. So much death and destruction.
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This world could be regarded as evil. Heck even bacteria and viruses seek to defeat you.
If humans are put in a stressful situation they tend to be predicted to be choosing an action of self-preservation and it might seem equally nasty as the animal world. In a cornered situation humans tend to listen to their instincts and often put morals and control aside.
Many humans are not even needed to be in a stressful situation for the instincts to be dominant but they live by them and might be inspired of animals and so they are inspired by the world. The instincts have certain signals to do this or that and it requires mental strength to reject them.
This world was created like this and it is a test environment. It is meant that we grow in this corrupting environment under delusion. That way we are being evaluated and sifted through in order to develop the perfect being, the beings which will be angels in "God".
There is no person called Satan though but that is your body's genetic instinct in your species.
Be well
Amenuel -
Peace all,
I think that this world is neither good nor evil. It is as it is, as it was designed by its creator, running flawlessly and generating limitless life forms, which shall certainly die one day or another.
Most living forms feed themselves by eating other living forms (alive or dead), they don't do it for fun but only from necessity. It cannot be considered as good or evil, it is simply a law of nature, like the law of gravity which cannot be considered as good or evil by default.Good and evil only exist in the realm of humans, in their mental construct. It is a tool invented by "humans using language" in order to deal between themselves better than what they would have done while simply using their individual instinct. Humans think they know better than the creator of this world, and choosed, at a certain point in time, not to follow anymore their instinct as do all the other creatures, and to make a new system based on good and evil.
Is it any better?As for bacterias, many of them are helpful for humans like for digesting food or for healing. And this system is running without us asking for it, or even having to know about it. It is thus the design of the creator and sustainer of everything.
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Peace Someone,
So you imply that there is no restrictions ? A person can do whatever he wills in for his/her own benefit ? No good no evil ? Only Winners and losers ?
Nothing is true everything is permitted ?
We create our own truth ?
Or we follow someone else's ?
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Humans think they know better than the creator of this world, and choosed, at a certain point in time, not to follow anymore their instinct as do all the other creatures, and to make a new system based on good and evil.
Is it any better?Good and evil evidently are for humans not for cows or letuces.
Is it any better?It is what it is, what it should be, and as being for humans it can be abused by humans which then turns into hypocritical o whimsical like when we say things like it being a horror that some creatures kill other creatures, for food or for whatever, but how would it be otherwise in a world that is not static and has life and death but that some thing should be sustained by evrything else. Isn't that what communion is all about. We are all useful to somebody else to erpetuate their life, how is that bad or ugly. A mothers suffers may be a lot to deliver a child. That does not seem to stop humans from reproducing, so all that comlaning about some living off the death or the suffering of others is hypocritical, because if we do not want that we should rennounce life altogether.
While alive, as somebody has pointed out, there are oter creatures that live off us, and while dead as well, I find that beautiful. Even dead we are a source of life.
Salaam
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Peace Someone,
So you imply that there is no restrictions ? A person can do whatever he wills in for his/her own benefit ? No good no evil ? Only Winners and losers ?
Nothing is true everything is permitted ?
We create our own truth ?
Or we follow someone else's ?
Peace hansolo,
No I don't think that everything is allowed. I try to follow the guidance from al quran.
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If something is forced to be consumed by force, this is not cruel?
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If something is forced to be consumed by force, this is not cruel?
Peace Man of Faith,
When you have kids, sometimes you may force them to do something that you see good for them as a parent, like to eat vegetables regularly or to stop watching TV/playing video games all day long... This is not cruel, it is for their own good since they are not mature enough to decide what is best for them. When they are grown up and able to manage their life by themselves, they may do as they wish as long as they are able to face their responsibilities.
Also, I think that our creator gave us enough degrees of freedom in this life to choose from, and even the freedom to terminate our life if we wish to.
When you will have kids, if the god wills, you may review your stance on this subject.
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Its interesting how this world was designed. I wonder if it is hell where we are right now.
Saw a video clip of a plant strangling a insect in order to get food. It was hard to watch seeing the insect in pain and panic while the plant was having a delicious "breakfast" so to say.
However we all now by the design of this world the plant is forced to make this cruel action in order to get the necessary nutrients in order to survive.
Solve et coagula.
I can somehow relate to the philosophy that Satan is the ruler of this world. So much death and destruction.
"satan" does indeed rule over many Adamites; but nope (neo)Gnosticism is a satanic philosophy.
Sincerely yours, o Lord of heavens and earth, o Primum Movens. O Divine Monad,
Thou art mine sole Authority, o Author of Reality.
Theocentric steward, on assignment.
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God bring living out of dead and dead out of living.. such is your God lord of heavens and earth...
we cannnot even survive if we will not take breath and to kill hundreds of bacteria in one second.. this place earth is activated on laws for our survival we must need to take breath.otherwise we died .. bacteriaz are there also due to a reason..
when we see imperfection in design its mean we are imperfect in understanding all of it.. the word we should use is confused..instead of imperfection..
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Malicious bacteria are there as a sign the world is not a friendly environment.
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What about the afterworld ? Is it friendly ? Is there an absence of "evil" ?
it shoulld b, but lets see what time will bring for us...
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Man of Faith,
What about the afterworld ? Is it friendly ? Is there an absence of "evil" ?
At least you will not be destroyed by matter.
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So...
Those who did not develop their spirit/true self/I AM, their existence will end when their physical body dies ?They will go back to the ground and brought up again ?(Doesn't Quran talk about this ?) But as a new person/new earthly life, right ?
Yeah thats cruel and sad. So all of this people I see everyday they are like dead men walking ? Just spending their time in vanity to turn into ashes at the end...(Doesn't Quran say this too ?)
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Hello hansolo
So...Those who did not develop their spirit/true self/I AM, their existence will end when their physical body dies ?
No, they will start over again, over and over again, but only their state of Being will remain in them unless they can grow increasingly deep towards the spirit and therefore have a sense of feeling of past cycles.
They will go back to the ground and brought up again ?
They will remain there, never exit in the first place.
(Doesn't Quran talk about this ?)
No, (the sectarian interpretation of) Quran does have a different view on it.
But as a new person/new earthly life, right ?
Yes, physically they will be like an entirely new person, but their state/imprint of "Being" will remain in the spirit (the phrase "khatem allah" means that in truth rather than "God has sealed/ended/stopped".
Yeah thats cruel and sad. So all of this people I see everyday they are like dead men walking ?
Basically yes, they are spiritually lifeless the great majority of them, and those who happen not to be are deluded except a tiny fragment of people. On the other hand, the test is not most importantly about knowing the truth, but it does not help someone if they mistreat their spirit due to having a detrimental view of life.
Just spending their time in vanity to turn into ashes at the end...(Doesn't Quran say this too ?)
Yes, but it is not so difficult to see, even a deluded clergyman could realize that on their own. I think their view of vanity has a quite different perspective though.
Be well
Amenuel -
And how does one develop their spirit? A list would be nice
The list of 'Ten Commandments' is a good start. I think you know them already. Instead of perceiving them as zealous laws you ought to look into the root cause as to breaking them. For example, in committing adultery the pleasure of looking upon a gorgeous woman activates the same instinct as when you go to bed with her. This means you should avoid becoming aroused at all as it does strengthen the body's grip on you.
Then you have jealousy and wishing what others have - "do not covet your neighbor's things". Wishing what others have will preoccupy you and make you strengthen the body's grip on you.
The old Commandments tell not to steal in translation, but what is stealing? Even acquiring something by dubious means is stealing by this commandment, taking advantage of someone.
Do not kill does the translation of one commandment say, it is more accurately translated "do not defeat", but what leads towards that? Becoming angry with does lead instinctively to wishing to defeat another and why one should not even become angry with another, and whilst in that they will be happy if misfortune befalls the other.
Treat your neighbor as yourself was in the original Commandments. It is focus on mending that one tends instinctively to only care for themselves and their kin while ignoring what befalls their neighbor. The wise one who wishes to do more in combating the root of this instinct should also try to care for someone unfriendly towards them.
Above you had five of a list presented to you elaborately.
Is there something else you would like to know, Rekkd?
Be well
Amenuel -
The list of 'Ten Commandments' is a good start. I think you know them already. Instead of perceiving them as zealous laws you ought to look into the root cause as to breaking them. For example, in committing adultery the pleasure of looking upon a gorgeous woman activates the same instinct as when you go to bed with her. This means you should avoid becoming aroused at all as it does strengthen the body's grip on you.
Then you have jealousy and wishing what others have - "do not covet your neighbor's things". Wishing what others have will preoccupy you and make you strengthen the body's grip on you.
The old Commandments tell not to steal in translation, but what is stealing? Even acquiring something by dubious means is stealing by this commandment, taking advantage of someone.
Do not kill does the translation of one commandment say, it is more accurately translated "do not defeat", but what leads towards that? Becoming angry with does lead instinctively to wishing to defeat another and why one should not even become angry with another, and whilst in that they will be happy if misfortune befalls the other.
Treat your neighbor as yourself was in the original Commandments. It is focus on mending that one tends instinctively to only care for themselves and their kin while ignoring what befalls their neighbor. The wise one who wishes to do more in combating the root of this instinct should also try to care for someone unfriendly towards them.
Above you had five of a list presented to you elaborately.
Is there something else you would like to know, Rekkd?
Be well
AmenuelThank you, and how about belief in God? The afterlife? Etc.