Quran and Pedophilia
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Yes its all misread and misinterpreted to suit ones fancy and then promoted to the rest of the world as a general guide in the name of god. Only the sincere will find this inconsistent with Quranic teachings. It is oppression of the greatest kind to young girls who are not mature physically and mentally THUS how could this be allowed by GOD???
ALWAYS as general rule, the Quran says we need to avoid all kinds of oppression - be guided always.
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Salam,
654 was a bad translation. This is more accurate
654 As for those who have reached menopause from your women, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. As for those whose menstruation has ceased, and those who are already pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.
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The word "women" is explicitly mentioned in the verse. So it is about women only. A little from physiology
Irregular periods are often one of the first signs that a woman is approaching menopause. Though the exact symptoms of irregular periods vary depending on a woman's unique cycle, most women will experience irregular periods for three to ten years before periods stop completely. In fact, only 10% of women reach menopause without any irregular periods.
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The word "women" is explicitly mentioned in the verse. So it is about women only. A little from physiology
You are correct real .but i dont why we got struck to the argument of Pedophilia in verse 65.4 when we clearly know that it is classical classification of Amenorrhoea
Verse 65.4
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.Blue primary Amenorrhoea
Green and marron secondary Amenorrhoeasince i am not a doctor as well as a biological student ,correct me if i am wrong
There are still parts of the world where girls marry at a young age. The age of marrying was never a subject of controversy for humans in a certain society, because they follow their culture. Some cultures, even nowadays still approve young people's marriage according to the culture's ruling.
God never went into telling you how to live your life. But God has shown us the path and through the path one acquires the right logic to take the right decisions. Otherwise, people just follow their ideas and cultures, and in some culture, what you call "pedophilia" is something very normal. This has nothing to do with the Quran.
Also, the title is misleading, blasphemous, pushy. Looking forward to the "Quran and bestiality" topic. (because Quran doesn't say anything about bestiality, yet reading the entire Quran you know what Quran says about it)
i do agree with you to some extent , it was a very common practice in the past and of course it is a fiqh issue .people have molded this verse in order to suit their situations .
as some kafir told me , do we feel insecure about this verse -
i do agree with you to some extent , it was a very common practice in the past and of course it is a fiqh issue .people have molded this verse in order to suit their situations .
as some kafir told me , do we feel insecure about this verseRED Pedophilia is wrong and filthy no matter what time you live or what culture.
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God never /cannot promote pedophelia...
one need to think logically..
15 years old girl get married with 15-20 years old boy is not phidephilea...
15 years old girl married with 50 years old man may catagrosie as phidoplilea... on grounds based on age difference / age gap... etcso as far i think its not prohibbted for a 20 year old boy/girl to marry with 40/50 years girl/boy it depends on personal choice and sometimes circumstances... sometimes culture bounds.. and sometimes by own stupidity of making a wrong choice...
so whatever we choose we will get results accordingly... everyboody have a right to choose what suits them.. depends what somebody is looking...
getting married with 50 years old women for a poor boy of 25 for his own advantage is not considerded as wrong doing but a bad choice may be...
same getting married with with 60 years old man with 20 years old girl is also a bad choice and when bad choices are made by indiviudual it has nothing to do with religion the reuslts of these bad choices always infront of headlines from time to time...
peace...
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RED Pedophilia is wrong and filthy no matter what time you live or what culture.
God never /cannot promote pedophelia...
one need to think logically..
......... nothing to do with religion the reuslts of these bad choices always infront of headlines from time to time...
peace...
God bless you allDo you remember Ben , once i told you that crime is the outlook of the majority .if people had thought theft is not crime than it is not .
child marriage is very common around the world even today .i know a Madwad lady who was married at the age of 3 to a man of 18 and the same lady is searching alliance for his 14 years old son .
it is very common in Rajasthan.
lets see few links
http//www.aol.com/article/2015/07/01/shocking-picture-shows-a-35-year-old-man-marrying-a-6-year-old-g/21203837/
https//www.newsdeeply.com/womenandgirls/finding-alternative-child-marriage-girls-rajasthan/The reality is child marriage was there in the past and it is there in the present world also .It is religious .even today there is a belief among Hindus if a old man to marries a young virgins his life span will increase . no one bothers about other religions because every one knew that Hinduism is not a true religion .but is makes a world of difference when the same issue comes to Islam .the answer may be that ,Muslims always search Quran and their so called ahadith for solutions and solutions are depend on scholars .they believe their scholars more than their scriptures.
let see the scholar based translation of this verse 65.4
Hilali & Khan
And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.so this is the proof that some where in the past people used this verse in order to deduce the rulings regarding child marriage
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And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.
What the verse says is different
from what the translation says...and the waiting period for those who have had no monthly course is three lunar months likewise.
It is clear that the 3-lunar month (shahr) waiting period is for the two parties
to decide whether they shall divorce or not
rather than to find out whether the wife is pregnant or not.They already know she is not pregnant,
otherwise
the waiting period would NOT be measured by lunar months,
it would be measured by monthly courses like in 2228.This part of the verse is about delayed puberty
which is pathologically considered the case if the menarche has failed to occur by the age of 18
(https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_puberty).The lady marries AND divorces
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You are correct real .but i dont why we got struck to the argument of Pedophilia in verse 65.4 when we clearly know that it is classical classification of Amenorrhoea
Verse 65.4
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.Here is the main culprit
Narrated Sahl bin Sad While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse).Followed by uneducated Muslim scholars.
Blue primary Amenorrhoea
Green and marron secondary Amenorrhoeasince i am not a doctor as well as a biological student ,correct me if i am wrong
Yeah, at least 6 months of skipping is possible. However, irregular menstruation can't prevent pregnancy. In short, the verse is easier to understand when biology is taken into account.
God never /cannot promote pedophelia...
Yeah, the mullahs who say he does should show at least one child marriage example from Quran.
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Here is the main culprit
Narrated Sahl bin Sad While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse).I am afraid your hadith is not right on the target .interestingly , i did not found any direct hadith to prove the scholars were correct . however, there is mention of "young women " only in tafsirs .i have made my search to find the exact hadith used by Ibn katir ,Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi or by maududi but i could not find them in any of the six books of ahadith .can you able to trace the source of these ahadith mention in tafsirs .is it the manipulation of scholars in the name of hadith?
Followed by uneducated Muslim scholars.
They are over educated )
Yeah, at least 6 months of skipping is possible. However, irregular menstruation can't prevent pregnancy. In short, the verse is easier to understand when biology is taken into account.
But in the case of Primary amenorrhoea menstrual cycles never starts (....those who have not menstruated....)
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I am afraid your hadith is not right on the target .interestingly , i did not found any direct hadith to prove the scholars were correct . however, there is mention of "young women " only in tafsirs .i have made my search to find the exact hadith used by Ibn katir ,Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi or by maududi but i could not find them in any of the six books of ahadith .can you able to trace the source of these ahadith mention in tafsirs .is it the manipulation of scholars in the name of hadith?They are over educated But in the case of Primary amenorrhoea menstrual cycles never starts (....those who have not menstruated....)
https//4.bp.blogspot.com/-88N4pdCtYLU/WGS6h7cLa4I/AAAAAAAAAbI/ZgKxKJNSC_0BwEWWBnTlcucpEUjTpt8ewCLcB/s1600/hadith.png
Mullahs do not use only the 6 hadith books. No two hadith books coming from the same person worldwide are same and our point is that the scholars are wrong.
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Hi,
Is it true that Quran allows intercourse and marriage with girls? I think chapter 65 allows it.Thank you
The law principle is everything allowed unless stated otherwise. So many things we allowed to do in life (do gym, making apps, go by plane, playing football, etc) not because Quran allow them, but because Quran didn't forbid them.
Marry a female who did not yet menstruate is not forbidden, so we may do so. Since marriage is a law bond, then it can only initiated by adult people. Therefore, young girls can only be married by her parents. So it depends on the parents whether they will let their girl marry in young age or not.
Quran 654 itself doesn't specifically allowing marry immature female, but it indeed can be used in case of divorced of a didn't yet menstruate female.
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getting married with with 60 years old man with 20 years old girl is also a bad choice
Can you explain what is bad thing about that?
As long as both of them feel fine, it's just fine. The old man get advantage of the youth of his wife, and the young girl get advantage of the wise, patient, and maybe the prosperity of her husband. What's the problem?
If let's say the old man is died 5 years later when she is still 25, then if God willing she can marry other man. What's the problem?
If let's say after married for a few years the old man health is decreased badly then his wife can't "be satisfied" by him anymore, she has option to propose divorce (with all its legal consequences). What's the problem?
Please broaden your perspective about life instead of being so judgemental by saying this bad and that bad based on popular opinions.
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Can you explain what is bad thing about that?
As long as both of them feel fine, it's just fine. The old man get advantage of the youth of his wife, and the young girl get advantage of the wise, patient, and maybe the prosperity of her husband. What's the problem?
If let's say the old man is died 5 years later when she is still 25, then if God willing she can marry other man. What's the problem?
If let's say after married for a few years the old man health is decreased badly then his wife can't "be satisfied" by him anymore, she has option to propose divorce (with all its legal consequences). What's the problem?
Please broaden your perspective about life instead of being so judgemental by saying this bad and that bad based on popular opinions.
Salam peace
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Can you explain what is bad thing about that?
i was talking about choice , not about thing.. nope
and i also told its depend what somebody is looking... a bad choice for me from your perception may be a good choice for you... choice is just a choice ... some people choose to wear next brand... some choose to wear non branded traditional dress ...
same the people who give priorties in things like money status, targets , feelings they make choices in life/education /job of their nature..
and it has nothing to do with religion thats what i said handshake
just imagine a person get married with at the age of sixty ... most of the cases for a girl who is 20 will make her mind that she will listen these kinds of things... regardless of truth or false...
like .. society comments of old and young couple..
2 age gap can disturb her coz the young fantasies vs old most of the times not work in bed life !
which give her harm more than benefit and in 70 percent cases a rich old man wife have a secret affair ...
and lot more things... due to which sometimes people reaise they make a wrong choice..If let's say after married for a few years the old man health is decreased badly then his wife can't "be satisfied" by him anymore, she has option to propose divorce (with all its legal consequences). What's the problem?
yes my brother there is not a problem for her.. she already set her target and now she is free and successful .. she get what she wanted..
sometimes same go with girls who wanted to become actress
personal choices for sepending and choosing a style of life depends on your targets, rests of the things people usually sacrifice... depend on what are prefrences...infact about death anybody can get died any time depends on the time of individual life.. sometimes younger died in accidents ..
Please broaden your perspective about life instead of being so judgemental by saying this bad and that bad based on popular opinions.
i never based anything on opinions as i know there are more than seven billion living opinions are present with us... but what can we say without opinion people are useless pets.. without choices there is no purpose of life...
willingly or unwillingly everybody make choices for his/her life ... in every field of life including personal life career and stuff... so choices are never bad or good ... but literallly what we mean from bad and good usually based on the results in the end ... sometimes a chaser of career feel so alone in the sceane..
sometimes a chaser of money maker feel himself alone in the late 60z when he realise he wasted his whole life for collecting something what does not actually bellong to him... becoz everybody know death is knocking at our door everysingle second so some people realise hoarding has distracted them untill they see graveyards.. chap 102
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Does not matter what Quran says (at least not in an erroneous sectarian interpretation). Pedophilia is not logically consistent. Mating is for reproduction evolutionary and you do not make a child pregnant which is not ready for the role of a mother.
One wishes to mate due to the instinct of reproduction and the attraction involved in the behavior, but one's spirit takes advantage of the pleasure feeling without the responsibility of an offspring. If the human was only an animal it would function as intended with the drive to mate.
A young teenager might be physically mature enough for such intercourse, but what is the point in it when they do not fully understand its meaning beyond pleasure and instinctive love?
Our point is not to be an animal. Of course one can choose that path, but it is not leading to spiritual growth but sinking into being it, literally and diminishing the true you.
Be well
Amenuel -
The law principle is everything allowed unless stated otherwise. So many things we allowed to do in life (do gym, making apps, go by plane, playing football, etc) not because Quran allow them, but because Quran didn't forbid them.
Not according to Allah. He has given us the brain so we may utilize it for the benefit of all. He has told us to reason and not to be deaf, and dumb which pretty much are the ingredients for growing sheeples. He hates the latter (822) and there is a heavy price to pay for it (10100). Like you have said, Quran doesn?t have instruction for everything in life, but it does tell us to use the brain. You will gradually pick it up from Quran.
Therefore, young girls can only be married by her parents. So it depends on the parents whether they will let their girl marry in young age or not.
Happens in humans? world. But Allah has forbidden parents from being the main voice. They can only ?permit?. No forcing is allowed. Also we find no child marriage in Quran. Instead, Allah links marriageable age to maturity (ability to make judgment). We must also take into account fataytikumu found in verse 425. This is supposed to be young girls (fully grown girls) and not slave girls. That verse also tells us the qualities of the females associated with judgment. Note that a child does not have the ability understand the pleasure of having ?secret lovers? and doing immoral things. Allah rocks!
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But, on being neutral without human bias, from a perspective of animals (which the human body is) there is no such thing as pedophilia. The strongest and influential male mates with the female irrelevant of her age as long as she has started to be fertile. The Homo Sapiens may have a more complicated Mating sequence as an animal, but disregarding the higher mental capability it follows its closest cousin, the primate in the animal world.
Our species with no limitations and no spiritual depth would be polygamous and the more dominant the male the more females it would hold with its strength and the age of the female would not matter. When she is fertile she is a prospective mate.
Those who cannot control themselves in this world show you the signs.
And for someone who does not control themselves a very young female that turned fertile is likely animalistically the most attractive "prey" for a male. This is something Pedophilia shows. There are more pedophiles than you may think, even people are it but suppress their thoughts. From a bodily perspective it is natural. I am sure many men would confess a very young woman (nearly a child) is most attractive.
When it comes to those who turn on non-fertile children this would seem more like a disturbed mind, like abuse in the childhood.
But attraction at the onset of puberty would appear natural, whenever that occurs (earlier in girls and later in boys).
Therefore it is not strange people have Pedophilia in their minds. It is natural to the body. But since we have an excelled spirit we can act more logically and it is not wise to make a female of 9-15 pregnant when she has no good perspective of the world and has no control over her emotions and hormones. I would argue she should be over 20 of age, not even 18 which is the age of legal marriage in many countries.
And only the spiritually dim would seek sexual intercourse for pleasure with the youngster too. Such vain intercourse only for pleasure.
Be well
Amenuel
