Fear of God
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Hi,
Should we be afraid of God to asbstain from bad? Or does the Qur'an just mean that a human should not be afraid of anything. If there is something then it is God he/she should be afraid of.
Also, does the promise of heaven make us better and makes us do the right thing? Or we do what is right regardless of the promise?
I am asking because I think human beings do good because of self satisfaction. They feel good when they do good to others. Also, abstain from hurting someone because of the feeling of remorse, in a way we are naturally afraid. Of course some people don't care.
I think Qur'an takes it to another level. Encouraging to do good and abstain from bad with a definite self satisfaction and remorse. The difference is that everyone who did bad will care about their actions.
What do you guys think?
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Hi,
Should we be afraid of God to asbstain from bad? Or does the Qur'an just mean that a human should not be afraid of anything. If there is something then it is God he/she should be afraid of.
Also, does the promise of heaven make us better and makes us do the right thing? Or we do what is right regardless of the promise?
I am asking because I think human beings do good because of self satisfaction. They feel good when they do good to others. Also, abstain from hurting someone because of the feeling of remorse, in a way we are naturally afraid. Of course some people don't care.
I think Qur'an takes it to another level. Encouraging to do good and abstain from bad with a definite self satisfaction and remorse. The difference is that everyone who did bad will care about their actions.
What do you guys think?
Salam,
It's different for different people. Some might see the promise of Paradise as their motivation to follow God alone and His system. Others only want to please Him, and then there are those who truly fear Him. Yet there are those with all these mentioned; promise of Paradise, to please God, and fearing God.
Those doing good only to feel good, they aren't doing it to please God. I might be wrong though.
To answer your first question; yes, fear God.
3175 It is only the devil trying to create fear for his allies, so do not fear
them, but fear Me if you are believers.Salam
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You should abstain for your own good. You wander further into delusion if you do not.
Be well
Amenuel -
If one needs a book to be a decent human being. Ive got some bad news for them.
If one is good to others because of a desire to end up in heaven, Ive got some bad news for them
Really? Who will teach you stealing, raping, lying, cheating is wrong? We don't have them from birth. If we do provide proof.
Your parents, religion, social status, wealth and education impact your decision making in determining right from wrong. Moreover, people do good because of their egoistic nature of self satisfaction. Altruism is self egoism. People abstain from bad because they are afraid snd feel remorse. Fear is naturally helping us to survive.
Some morality has place from birth. But mostly it is learned. What about people who are amoral? How can they know what is right or wrong? They don't feel satisfaction neither remorse.
You do need a book (or smth else) to be a decent human being. Your statement is typical atheist excuse, which has no basis in human experience at all. Atheists learn from their parents that were religious. The latter learned from their own parents that were even more religious. Good morals is just a result of generations of religious nurture.
I can also say if you need education to have decent knowledge then I have bad news for you. It is the same statement you make, my friend.
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If one needs a book to be a decent human being. Ive got some bad news for them.
If one is good to others because of a desire to end up in heaven, Ive got some bad news for them
rotflsomehow I agree with you..
I am asking because I think human beings do good because of self satisfaction. They feel good when they do good to others. Also, abstain from hurting someone because of the feeling of remorse, in a way we are naturally afraid. Of course some people don't care.
Yes.. most human (not all) are self / ego centric...
And some human seems to lack the 'empathy' and / or the ability to see / feel things from other perspective than they are..
We have name for that, we call it psycho / sociopath...Yet it's 100% true that human do (or don't do) things based on the impulse of FEAR and FULFILLMENT...
And the effective way to induce such impulse is through PUNISHMENT and REWARD.
The person with abundance empathy do good deeds because they feel that it's fulfilling for them... as they can feel the sorrow in other people (or being) sorrow and the happiness in other people (or being) happiness... -
Hello everyone,
I used to be a hardcore God alone but things have changed after I got into mysticism, spirituality n Buddhism....... I just cant accept that God needs to be feared cause fear itself is a negative energy and one cant get closer to God through fear. Only devil can say such thing..... Fear is Devils attribute and I know it...... through fear you might contain someone for a certain time but it will never create peace or transformation. A person who does good out of fear is no good at all..its just an act. And I just cant figure it out how God can accept an acting as an authentic expression...it really sounds funny...... This is where I get disconnected from God....... I will never appreciate any force that wants to install fear in me........
I really would like to know how you all cope with such statement in the Quran.......
peace
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Salam,
a few days ago the devils whispered to me while trying to sleep, and I became in a state of shock for the whispers told me to set up partners with God. The shock is for the fear of God.
I feared God so much I began imploring Him to end the whispers, because it was making me elektro
The whispers ended, thank God. And I got much closer to God.
Point I wouldn't have implored God if I didn't fear Him. See how good fearing God is?
And then there countless other sins that I and many have avoided because of fear of God.The fantasy world of Buddhism etc may keep you in denial for awhile, but on the Day of Resurrection...the denial won't work, excuses will abandon you, and then the Fire which has been prepared for the rejecters, when you see it, maybe that's when your fear of God goes beyond measure. You should revert back to submitting to God alone and repent and fear Him.
Salam
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Salam,
a few days ago the devils whispered to me while trying to sleep, and I became in a state of shock for the whispers told me to set up partners with God. The shock is for the fear of God.
I feared God so much I began imploring Him to end the whispers, because it was making me elektro
The whispers ended, thank God. And I got much closer to God.
Lesson I wouldn't have implored God if I didn't fear Him. See how good fearing God is?
And then there countless other sins that I and many have avoided because of fear of God.The fantasy world of Buddhism etc may keep you in denial for awhile, but on the Day of Resurrection...the denial won't work, excuses will abandon you, and then the Fire which has been prepared for the rejecters, when you see it, maybe that's when your fear of God goes beyond measure. You should revert back to submitting to God alone and repent and fear Him.
Salam
god that uses fear as tool is no God...... it might keep you contained for a while but the whisper will keep on coming until you face it and deal it with wisdom.... I have been in that state...... There is no god in the sky acting like a fear monger dictator who desires submission...... I find that to be the devils whisper who wants to install fear in my heart...... Bliss and fear doesnt exist in the same paradigm........What we call hell is a state of fear that is triggered by fear itself and it goes in cycle .
Fear mongering god is the devil in disguise ... this is my present perception....
I would like to share a speech Rupert spira on fear...pls watch it when you have time
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YD-hMg2j9Y
peace
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god that uses fear as tool is no God...... it might keep you contained for a while but the whisper will keep on coming until you face it and deal it with wisdom.... I have been in that state...... There is no god in the sky acting like a fear monger dictator who desires submission...... I find that to be the devils whisper who wants to install fear in my heart...... Bliss and fear doesnt exist in the same paradigm........What we call hell is a state of fear that is triggered by fear itself and it goes in cycle .
Fear mongering god is the devil in disguise ... this is my present perception....
I would like to share a speech Rupert spira on fear...pls watch it when you have time
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YD-hMg2j9Y
peace
Contents of the rejecters, Quran suffices for knowledge...Where is your proof it is the devil in disguise? God be glorified and exalted far above what you describe.
I'm thinking that the devil is your associate, and you're trying to deceive us. -
Contents of the rejecters, Quran suffices for knowledge...Where is your proof it is the devil in disguise? God be glorified and exalted far above what you describe.
I'm thinking that the devil is your associate, and you're trying to deceive us.Sorry if thats what you got from my reply..? What would I gain from deceiving you. I have no power to guide or deceive you in anyway....your world is associated with your perception of God and reality...and mine is with me....... Its a different language of interpreting things.... it boils down to the perception of your being.......
but anyway... I also hope that you attain peace through your method and be in the state of bliss....
peace
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Sorry if thats what you got from my reply..? What would I gain from deceiving you. I have no power to guide or deceive you in anyway....your world is associated with your perception of God and reality...and mine is with me....... Its a different language of interpreting things.... it boils down to the perception of your being.......
but anyway... I also hope that you attain peace through your method and be in the state of bliss....
peace
So the devil crawls back to his hiding after being exposed. I'm fed up with you rejecters, an annoyance everywhere. Where's the proof to your claim? Stop ignoring and answer what you stand for.
2268 The devil promises you poverty and orders you to immorality,
while God promises forgiveness from Him and grace. God is
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So the devil crawls back to his hiding after being exposed. I'm fed up with you rejecters, an annoyance everywhere. Where's the proof to your claim? Stop ignoring and answer what you stand for.
2268 The devil promises you poverty and orders you to immorality,
while God promises forgiveness from Him and grace. God is
Encompassing, Knowledgeable.What have you exposed submitter..? What can you expose beyond what it is already ..?? You are the proof of yourself......the witness. What else are you looking for when Godliness is within you ? You can only realize if you stop judging. Which God are you talking about that lives outside you ?? Is there such a God who claims to be omnipresent eternal but lives outside you ? Turn the observance from outer to inner ....You will realize who or what God is..
peace
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What have you exposed submitter..? What can you expose beyond what it is already ..?? You are the proof of yourself......the witness. What else are you looking for when Godliness is within you ? You can only realize if you stop judging. Which God are you talking about that lives outside you ?? Is there such a God who claims to be omnipresent eternal but lives outside you ? Turn the observance from outer to inner ....You will realize who or what God is..
peace
Submit to God alone and repent for the imagination you have developed. There is no god except God, and there is none equal to Him.
While God commands us to fear Him, you come here and tell us not to fear Him. Should I listen to God or should I listen to someone who has mixed imagination, buddhism, and the lies of the devil?3175 It is only the devil trying to create fear for his allies, so do not fear
them, but fear Me if you are believers3199 And from the people of the Book are those who believe in God
and what was sent down to you and what was sent down to them;
fearful to God, they do not purchase with the revelations of God
a cheap price. These will have their recompense with their Lord.
For God is swift in reckoning.528 ?If you stretch your hand to kill me, I will not stretch my hand to
kill you, for I fear God, Lord of the worlds.?756 And do not corrupt the earth after it has been made right; and call
on Him fearing and hoping. Surely the mercy of God is near the
righteous.1414 ?And We will let you reside in the land after them. That is for
those who fear My station and fear My warning.1650 They fear their Lord from above them, and they do what they are
commanded.3216 Their sides readily forsake their beds, to call on their Lord out of
fear and hope, and from Our provisions to them they give.5546 And for he who feared the station of his Lord, there will be two
gardens.7940 And as for he who feared the station of his Lord, and prohibited
the self from desire.Here you have been exposed. You insulted our Lord and without any proof to your claim. I previously asked for proof from Quran to your claim, twice, but all you do is speak your own opinion, which is worthless in front of Quran.
And now you have even changed the subject!Salam
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Here you have been exposed. You insulted our Lord and without any proof to your claim. I previously asked for proof from Quran to your claim, twice, but all you do is speak your own opinion, which is worthless in front of Quran.
And now you have even changed the subject!Salam
There is no Us or Our God...speak for yourself pls. You are talking like a cult member just like the sunnis and shias. You are yelling proof proof like a child. How do you Prove that God exist ? by a book..? really..!! Which book did Ibrahim follow to Understand God!! Which book did muhammad study to realize God before Quran was revealed to him !!! Without wisdom the book is just ink and paper with some stories. If you dont have any wisdom to understand the deeper meaning and go beyond words than Quran is nothing more than another object made of paper. Haven't fear already sparked a chain reaction of suffering among muslims ? Fearing(to me being concern) of the consequences and fearing God(like a dictator) is two different thing. God is manifested in everything...... You are failing to comprehend my understanding because you observe God like a character/persona..
peace
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An English translation of the Proverbs - 17 The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge fools despise wisdom and instruction.
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Peace.
Wisdom and instruction? Fear of God?
Imagine GOD is sending Noah in today s society,the story will go as follows
The Lord spoke to Noah and said, ?In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on the earth.
Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark.? In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.
?Remember? said the Lord, ?You must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year.?
Exactly one year later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard weeping.
?Noah?, He shouted. ?Where is the Ark??
?Lord, please forgive me!? cried Noah. ?I did my best but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not meet the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans. Then I got into a fight with the Coast Guard over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and floatation devices. Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission. Then I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the Forest Service that I needed the wood to save the owls. However, the Fish & Wildlife Service won?t let me catch any owls. So, no owls.
?The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labour Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or a hammer. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.
?When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard. Just when I got the suit dismissed, then I was notified that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn?t take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe. Then the Army Corp of Engineers demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
?Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking Godless, unbelieving people aboard. The tax department has seized my assets, claiming that I?m building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes. I just got a notice from the state that I owe them some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a ?recreational water craft.?
?Finally, the non-religious got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event and therefore, unconstitutional. I really don?t think I can finish the Ark for another five or six years,? Noah wailed.
The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully.
?You mean You are not going to destroy the earth, Lord?? Noah asked.
?No,? said the Lord sadly. ?I don?t have to. The governments are already doing so!.?
Joking apart, is it for fear of the Lord or for the Love of the Lord that one should follow GOD s instructions?
GOD bless.
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There is no Us or Our God...speak for yourself pls. You are talking like a cult member just like the sunnis and shias. You are yelling proof proof like a child. How do you Prove that God exist ? by a book..? really..!! Which book did Ibrahim follow to Understand God!! Which book did muhammad study to realize God before Quran was revealed to him !!! Without wisdom the book is just ink and paper with some stories. If you dont have any wisdom to understand the deeper meaning and go beyond words than Quran is nothing more than another object made of paper. Haven't fear already sparked a chain reaction of suffering among muslims ? Fearing(to me being concern) of the consequences and fearing God(like a dictator) is two different thing. God is manifested in everything...... You are failing to comprehend my understanding because you observe God like a character/persona..
peace
I'm not failing to understand. God is protecting me from satanic views and I'm thankful to Him. Only the devil would want the servants of God to not fear Him.
PS Still waiting for your proof...
Salam handshake
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So Satan is upon me? I do not fear God. It is more Satan to inflict fear in people. I serve the cause of God and that is not due to fear but because I wish to take a my part.
Be well
Amenuel