The Golden Rule
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Salam,
I was looking for the golden rule and I found that the Quran follows it. Also, major religions. My question is
Is the Golden Rule based on the ''reward and punishment'' system or is it something different?
Also, do you think it is inherent or is it acquired?
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Salaaaaaaaam peace
Absolutely inherently and expressly quranic I'd say
177 If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it.
4134 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
2854 To these We grant twice the reward for that they have been patient. And they counter evil with good, and from Our provisions to them, they give.
4240 The recompense for a crime shall be its equivalence, but whoever forgives and makes right, then his reward is upon God. He does not like the wrongdoers.
608 God does not prohibit you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.
Imo of course it has to do with the reward/punishment system, as you call it, it is a matter of Justice.
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Salaaaaaaaam peace
Absolutely inherently and expressly quranic I'd say
177 If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it.
4134 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.
2854 To these We grant twice the reward for that they have been patient. And they counter evil with good, and from Our provisions to them, they give.
4240 The recompense for a crime shall be its equivalence, but whoever forgives and makes right, then his reward is upon God. He does not like the wrongdoers.
608 God does not prohibit you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.
Imo of course it has to do with the reward/punishment system, as you call it, it is a matter of Justice.
But if good morals are inherent then why do we need the Quran to be moral? Shouldn't we then act good by default?
Also, could you please tell me if the Quran really says it is inherent.
What about fear of God? Then, are theists more moral than atheists?
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Salam peace
But if good morals are inherent then why do we need the Quran to be moral?
we don't
Shouldn't we then act good by default?
There is a test going on I believe
Also, could you please tell me if the Quran really says it is inherent.
But if Quran "said" so, it wouldnt be inherent anymore, it would be explicit and accidental....
What about fear of God? Then, are theists more moral than atheists?
I dont think so, I would say in maaaaaaaaaaaaaaany cases it is exactly the opposite
Just be the best human being you can be, with or without a "book"
Have a greeeeeeat day sun
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But if good morals are inherent then why do we need the Quran to be moral? Shouldn't we then act good by default?
Physical needs are similar among the animal kingdom. The difference between humans and animals is "choice". We have the choice to choose between good and bad, right or wrong. We need Divine Guidance to act in right/good manner otherwise our choice can result in wrong/bad actions.
Also, could you please tell me if the Quran really says it is inherent.
IMHO every human being is born with a clean slate. He/she learns morality from his/her surroundings. That makes accountability justified.
What about fear of God? Then, are theists more moral than atheists?
For me fear of God means fear of the outcome of actions as result of going against the Divine Law. (Explianed very nicely by G A Parvez in Lughat ul Quran.)
If an atheist is surrounded by good moral values and uses his/her choice to adopt it then yes he/she could be moral. Question is who decides what is moral?Peace
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Salam to all,
IMHO every human being is born with a clean slate. He/she learns morality from his/her surroundings. That makes accountability justified.
I have a different view from the above.
Note
The Moral Life of Babies
Yale Psychology Professor Paul Bloom finds the origins of morality in infants
https//www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-moral-life-of-babies/There has been a lot of experiments done to with babies of less than one year old to demonstrate that the morality instinct and potential is inherent in humans.
The point is the surrounding and the nurture factors provide the opportunities for humans to develop and improve their morality instincts but at the same can depressed it as well.
Another point is all humans are born Muslims therefore morality is inherent in Islam as proven from the research done on babies of less than one year old.
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Salam to all,I have a different view from the above.
Note
The Moral Life of Babies
Yale Psychology Professor Paul Bloom finds the origins of morality in infants
https//www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-moral-life-of-babies/There has been a lot of experiments done to with babies of less than one year old to demonstrate that the morality instinct and potential is inherent in humans.
The point is the surrounding and the nurture factors provide the opportunities for humans to develop and improve their morality instincts but at the same can depressed it as well.
Another point is all humans are born Muslims therefore morality is inherent in Islam as proven from the research done on babies of less than one year old.
thanks for the link peace
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I was looking for the golden rule and I found that the Quran follows it. Also, major religions. My question is
Is the Golden Rule based on the ''reward and punishment'' system or is it something different?
Also, do you think it is inherent or is it acquired?
Golden rule is based on human in-nature capability for 'empathy'... well at least most of them.. psychopath doesn't have such capability wired to them.
Do unto others what you want others do to you.. requires one to imagine him/herself in other people's shoe.... what would I feel / want / do if I were him or her (or it). Which is no problem and occurs naturally for non-psychopathic human.
Clearly evident when humans sees a movie... especially horror movie.. the audience scream or scared as if he/she was the character inside the movie (being chased by some ghost or other villain)... the audience cries when the movie ends with a sad ending... Here the audience shows an empathy towards a fictional character inside the movie....
However.. empathy (and also common sense) can be suppressed through AUTHORITY... (Ideology, Religion, Holy Book, Deities, Great Leader etc..)
Thou shall not show empathy to them because they're our enemy, not within our group, a kufr, an infidel, a non-muslim, a non-christian, a jew, a gentile, a chinese, an immigrant, a foreigner, a communist, a tutsi and thousands of other label...
Kill them, torture them, extract money from them, confiscate their belonging, raid them, loot them, rape them, enslave them, expel them from our country etc... It's all justified because THE AUTHORITY said so... -
Golden rule is based on human in-nature capability for 'empathy'... well at least most of them.. psychopath doesn't have such capability wired to them.
Do unto others what you want others do to you.. requires one to imagine him/herself in other people's shoe.... what would I feel / want / do if I were him or her (or it). Which is no problem and occurs naturally for non-psychopathic human.
Clearly evident when humans sees a movie... especially horror movie.. the audience scream or scared as if he/she was the character inside the movie (being chased by some ghost or other villain)... the audience cries when the movie ends with a sad ending... Here the audience shows an empathy towards a fictional character inside the movie....
However.. empathy (and also common sense) can be suppressed through AUTHORITY... (Ideology, Religion, Holy Book, Deities, Great Leader etc..)
Thou shall not show empathy to them because they're our enemy, not within our group, a kufr, an infidel, a non-muslim, a non-christian, a jew, a gentile, a chinese, an immigrant, a foreigner, a communist, a tutsi and thousands of other label...
Kill them, torture them, extract money from them, confiscate their belonging, raid them, loot them, rape them, enslave them, expel them from our country etc... It's all justified because THE AUTHORITY said so...It is due to the human instinct of hierarchical alignment. When the instinct is let to take the upper hand the spirit becomes dim and the creature makes the most irrational deeds. It only takes submitting to something taken as authority in one's delusion.
Religion often takes the best of people.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Golden rule is submission to God alone.
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Golden rule is submission to God alone.
And what is submission (to God alone)?
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And what is submission (to God alone)?
It's to submit to God alone, follow His system, which is found in Quran.
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It's to submit to God alone, follow His system, which is found in Quran.
What does submission to God alone mean? What does it include for you?
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"We hear and we obey... and we do not reflect on it logically because it is "you" saying it".