Life after death. Article by Dr Kashif Khan

Bender

Same as HAA is used in such as etc. Haa is of course a singular feminine objective pronoun but it is used as a plural pronoun in agreement with plural subject.

And this is of course total nonsense.
You are changing your own rules simply because you and your grammar rules can not answer simple questions.
Exceptions in any system just show the "defects" of that system (which is in this case is your Arabic grammar).

What is called the agreement rules of Arabic grammar, which is advance grammar that you probably can't conceive.

Not not conceive but not agree with it.
No one (even grammar) is going to dictate to me how I will understand something, except He, I can think for myself thank you.

If Haa is taken to mean singular feminine pronoun in the verses begin with , without applying agreement rules on Haa then will you understand that the statements of these verses will apply on a single woman only.

Thank you for pointing out the errors in the system you follow.
And no I will not understand it like that, simply because of the error you just exposed you yourself in the system you follow.

HAA never refers to what comes AFTER the HAA, thus also in this case (no exceptions).
The HAA refers to YOU (singular).
It's not directed to those who are amanu but to YOU (singular) if you are one who is of amanu. The quran is a personal book directed to the reader who fits it.
The use of ayyu-haa/kum/na can be easily understood by this example
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So why does it use HA which is feminine?
Maybe the quran was meant only for females and we males kidnapped it from them.
Or maybe we are all females according to the quran.
At least Yusuf was a female 1246 "... "
Or maybe the quran does not discriminate on genders when it is directed to any creature.

Whereas, in reality addresses all men and women collectively such as seen in the verse 5/6 and in so many other verses. So, this is a general rule in Arabic language and in the Quran that singular pronoun is taken as a plural as it is applied on plural subject without taking into account whether the subject is men or women or both. If you don't follow this rule you will not translate these verses correctly. So, you need to learn the grammar before enter the further arguments.

I am seriously not interested in learning broken systems, if you have something better to offer then I am all ears.

Rana_Hafiz

And this is of course total nonsense.
You are changing your own rules simply because you and your grammar rules can not answer simple questions.
Exceptions in any system just show the "defects" of that system (which is in this case is your Arabic grammar).
Not not conceive but not agree with it.
No one (even grammar) is going to dictate to me how I will understand something, except He, I can think for myself thank you.
Thank you for pointing out the errors in the system you follow.

And no I will not understand it like that, simply because of the error you just exposed you yourself in the system you follow.

HAA never refers to what comes AFTER the HAA, thus also in this case (no exceptions).
The HAA refers to YOU (singular).
It's not directed to those who are amanu but to YOU (singular) if you are one who is of amanu. The quran is a personal book directed to the reader who fits it.
The use of ayyu-haa/kum/na can be easily understood by this example
2778

So why does it use HA which is feminine?
Maybe the quran was meant only for females and we males kidnapped it from them.
Or maybe we are all females according to the quran.
At least Yusuf was a female 1246 "... "
Or maybe the quran does not discriminate on genders when it is directed to any creature.

I am seriously not interested in learning broken systems, if you have something better to offer then I am all ears.

Basically you're among those who are badly stuck with their self made rules outside the standard language and and its grammar. This is the reason why people like you never understand the Quran because they don't want to come out of their self made shells. The examples I have given you from the Quran are seemed broken to you because obviously you don't want to understand what is being said in the quran except what you already believe in. Sorry brother I don't want to enter the further arguments in this regards.

Rana_Hafiz

And this is of course total nonsense.
You are changing your own rules simply because you and your grammar rules can not answer simple questions.
Exceptions in any system just show the "defects" of that system (which is in this case is your Arabic grammar).
Not not conceive but not agree with it.
No one (even grammar) is going to dictate to me how I will understand something, except He, I can think for myself thank you.
Thank you for pointing out the errors in the system you follow.
And no I will not understand it like that, simply because of the error you just exposed you yourself in the system you follow.

HAA never refers to what comes AFTER the HAA, thus also in this case (no exceptions).
The HAA refers to YOU (singular).
It's not directed to those who are amanu but to YOU (singular) if you are one who is of amanu. The quran is a personal book directed to the reader who fits it.
The use of ayyu-haa/kum/na can be easily understood by this example
2778

So why does it use HA which is feminine?
Maybe the quran was meant only for females and we males kidnapped it from them.
Or maybe we are all females according to the quran.
At least Yusuf was a female 1246 "... "
Or maybe the quran does not discriminate on genders when it is directed to any creature.

I am seriously not interested in learning broken systems, if you have something better to offer then I am all ears.

ha ha ha ......you're only person who takes to mean YOU, perhaps all "wise people" here take to mean "YOU"?

Bender

ha ha ha ......you're only person who takes to mean YOU, perhaps all "wise people" here take to mean "YOU"?

Sometimes reading can be difficult, "refers to" is different from "means".

Man_of_Faith

means "o of ones who be" plus phrase that is used in the context. There is no "you" in it, but it is easy to wish to insert a you in an English rendition for fluency. Perhaps "hail to the ones who be + phrase used in subsequent sentence.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Rana_Hafiz

means "o of ones who be" plus phrase that is used in the context. There is no "you" in it, but it is easy to wish to insert a you in an English rendition for fluency. Perhaps "hail to the ones who be + phrase used in subsequent sentence.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Your knowledge about the Quran was proven wrong and your arguments were literally finished when you commented "If would make plural then itself should be at least in plural and this is not the case" and I replied you in the light of the verse 10/45 which I have quoted to you
"My dear brother is not required if is plural such as 10/47 in which singular has been used with to make it plural"

I understand that it was difficult for a wiseman to accept his defeat that's why firstly you tried to declare it a broken link and translated to mean YOU, now you are giving certificate to use to mean you to render it into English. So, you're allowing people to change Allah's words. This is one of the biggest reason of wrong translations. Instead of finding lame excuses to prove you right you need to learn Arabic and the Quran before advising people. No more fake excuses please.........

Bender

Your knowledge about the Quran was proven wrong

By who? And on who's authority?

and your arguments were literally finished when you commented "If would make plural then itself should be at least in plural and this is not the case" and I replied you in the light of the verse 10/45 which I have quoted to you
"My dear brother is not required if is plural such as 10/47 in which singular has been used with to make it plural"

RED ummatin is singular just like karyatin, kulli doesn't make anything plural.
Even your own grammar sholars agreed on this, you should at least listen to them.
You can check here a lot of translations for 6123 and for 1047.
Do you see any of those translators translate karyatin or ummatin as plural?
according to corpus quran ummatin is a genitive feminine singular indefinite noun, see 1047.

So seriously, what are you talking about? Looks to me that you do not even master the grammar you believe in.

I understand that it was difficult for a wiseman to accept his defeat that's why firstly you tried to declare it a broken link and translated to mean YOU, now you are giving certificate to use to mean you to render it into English. So, you're allowing people to change Allah's words. This is one of the biggest reason of wrong translations. Instead of finding lame excuses to prove you right you need to learn Arabic and the Quran before advising people. No more fake excuses please.........

GREEN Quran is not Allah's word, but I guess an agreement between your sholars has decided for you that it's Allah's words.
And please quote me where I changed something, if you can't then please stop lying. Allah does not like liars or people who spread false testimonials

And another thing, please stop changing MY words intentionally. I already corrected you on the red parts in my previous post, so why do you still insist changing my words and claim that it's from me?

Man_of_Faith

Rana,

I think you are replying to the wrong person.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Rana_Hafiz

By who? And on who's authority?
RED ummatin is singular just like karyatin, kulli doesn't make anything plural.
Even your own grammar sholars agreed on this, you should at least listen to them.
You can check here a lot of translations for 6123 and for 1047.
Do you see any of those translators translate karyatin or ummatin as plural?
according to corpus quran ummatin is a genitive feminine singular indefinite noun, see 1047.

So seriously, what are you talking about? Looks to me that you do not even master the grammar you believe in.

GREEN Quran is not Allah's word, but I guess an agreement between your sholars has decided for you that it's Allah's words.
And please quote me where I changed something, if you can't then please stop lying. Allah does not like liars or people who spread false testimonials

And another thing, please stop changing MY words intentionally. I already corrected you on the red parts in my previous post, so why do you still insist changing my words and claim that it's from me?

Of course you have been changing your words since you have entered this discussion. Now, again you have changed your words and committed blasphemy against the Quran by declaring that "Quran is not Allah's word". This is what non Muslims blame on the Quran who don't believe that the Quran is God's word. So that's what you have been preaching here in the pure Quranic forum THAT QURAN IS NOT ALLAH'S WORD ?

Rana_Hafiz

Rana,

I think you are replying to the wrong person.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Brother this is the essential part of our belief that the" Quran is Allah's word" but this fake wise man has declared that THAT QURAN IS NOT ALLAH'S WORD, which is really painful for whole Muslim Ummah because this the main argument between Muslims and non Muslims that they say the Quran is not God's word. Shame on him who have invented this lie and boldly published it on this pure Quranic forum.

Rana_Hafiz

Of course you have been changing your words since you have entered this discussion. Now, again you have finished the matter by declaring that "Quran is not Allah's word". This is what non Muslims' argument on the Qurane who don't believe that the Quran is God's word. So that's what you have been preaching here THAT QURAN IS NOT ALLAH'S WORD ?

Bender

Of course you have been changing your words since you have entered this discussion. Now, again you have finished the matter by declaring that "Quran is not Allah's word". This is what non Muslims' argument on the Qurane who don't believe that the Quran is God's word. So that's what you have been preaching here THAT QURAN IS NOT ALLAH'S WORD ?

In case you did not know, this forum is a home for exiled people, in popular speech also called freaks.

You will find here people who believe Allah is a girl, people who believe they are Allah or part of Him, people who believe we are all Allah, people who do not believe in Allah, people who believe in aliens, who believe in ghosts, who believe in Allah alone, in a flat earth, in a spherical earth, we have sunnis, jews, 19-ers, quranists, shia's, we have messengers, last messengers, prophets, the mahdi is also registered here on this forum, we have past prophets in new shapes, etc etc etc. You named we have it yes

So if you are shocked by Bender the freak and his nonsense then you should run faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from here, I am just one of the normal freaks.

Bender

oh btw Good Logic is the biggest freak of them all, he has such a awful taste for music, don't ever listen to him, he will only lead you astray.

good_logic

Rana,Bender means this music

https//www.bing.com/videos/search?q=freak+song&view=detail&mid=BF2B9E584A0922049BDFBF2B9E584A0922049BDF&FORM=VIRE

Who said music is haram eh?
GOD bless.
Peace

Rana_Hafiz

In case you did not know, this forum is a home for exiled people, in popular speech also called freaks.

You will find here people who believe Allah is a girl, people who believe they are Allah or part of Him, people who believe we are all Allah, people who do not believe in Allah, people who believe in aliens, who believe in ghosts, who believe in Allah alone, in a flat earth, in a spherical earth, we have sunnis, jews, 19-ers, quranists, shia's, we have messengers, last messengers, prophets, the mahdi is also registered here on this forum, we have past prophets in new shapes, etc etc etc. You named we have it yes

So if you are shocked by Bender the freak and his nonsense then you should run faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from here, I am just one of the normal freaks.

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek or whatever you're you should not interfere in Islam and should not touch our belief in disguise of one who don't believe that the Quran is word of God. Also and you have no right to commit blasphemy against the Quran in your nonsense freeeek style.

Cerberus

You need to let go of the attitude of "don't hurt my religion", you don't have a religion, you don't have anything at all so you shouldn't speak of "Islam" as something you own or a sect you're a member of, in which those who agree on specific set of written ideas in the Quran and interpreted in a specific way are the rightly ones. Thus, God's way or Islam doesn't need you to protect it, let alone get upset. That is fanaticism. Just like being a fan of a football club and clashing with fans of another football club. That's not the aim of the Quran.

We all keep looking. It doesn't stop to a certain knowledge. Life teaches. God.
But Bender is right, you're in for a treat.
I hope you find what you're looking for, if you happen to be looking.

Rana_Hafiz

You need to let go of the attitude of "don't hurt my religion", you don't have a religion, you don't have anything at all so you shouldn't speak of "Islam" as something you own or a sect you're a member of, in which those who agree on specific set of written ideas in the Quran and interpreted in a specific way are the rightly ones. Thus, God's way or Islam doesn't need you to protect it, let alone get upset. That is fanaticism. Just like being a fan of a football club and clashing with fans of another football club. That's not the aim of the Quran.

We all keep looking. It doesn't stop to a certain knowledge. Life teaches. God.
But Bender is right, you're in for a treat.
I hope you find what you're looking for, if you happen to be looking.

Don't be clever ....there is no matter of "don't hurt my religion" but respect and dignity of God's words which apply on all religions and all revealed books of God.

Man_of_Faith

Is whose words more important than what is written?

virginia

Brother this is the essential part of our belief that the" Quran is Allah's word" but this fake wise man has declared that THAT QURAN IS NOT ALLAH'S WORD, which is really painful for whole Muslim Ummah because this the main argument between Muslims and non Muslims that they say the Quran is not God's word. Shame on him who have invented this lie and boldly published it on this pure Quranic forum.

Peace, Rana

Let me say either in my humble opinion Quran is Allah's word, Quran is FROM God. Not even Quran declares anywhere it is the word OF God but FROM God, i think. Not the same, imo.

Also, excuse me, maybe you need to open up your mind a bit more but there are believers in this world that have never ever opened a Quran, so it is not even necessary to know about it, neither God's word nor from God is limited to a book.

sun

Bender

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek or whatever you're you should not interfere in Islam and should not touch our belief in disguise of one who don't believe that the Quran is word of God. Also and you have no right to commit blasphemy against the Quran in your nonsense freeeek style.

You know I have also feelings, maybe you are insulting my islam and my God and my quran by saying the quran is the word of God.