The Smoke Article
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Salaamun alaikum Zlatan, all,
The God mentions in the great reading diferent sort of details in regards of all things, it detaily describes the signs of Moses which occured in the past, but it forgots(!) to list such important functions of no 19 -preserving , protecting, prooving etc. It even does not say that code 19 is a sign??!!
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Sunnis Hadith and sunna ARE proven from the quran ? How, by cutting up verses like 59/7 (take what rasool gives u) and decontextualising 'obey Allah and obey messenger'. How do you select hadith ? by making the muhaditheen's criteria as divinely inspired.
19ers 19 code IS proven from the quran. How? by totally ignoring the fact that Allah never told us how to count it and left it to our own devices. Therefore, RK's criteria has become god's criteria.
Falsehood follows similar patterns, unfortunately.
Edip, forget about this code. Stand by the Book's MESSAGE and we can all stand up against oppression and establish Allah's laws.
thanks and peace
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Peace be upon you all,
If people would stop counting this reading(quran), they would see that the goal of spiritual cultivation is to overcome emotions. Emotions are "knee jerk" reactions that have been programmed into us by our cultures/traditions (what our fathers followed).
We have to seperate our minds from tradition (Mary (female/Mind)seperated from her family (tradition) and gave birth to the new PARADIGM.
When we understand that our minds can be programmed, we can CHANGE the automatic reactions of emotions that we have, we can begin to respond with peace.
Solomon understood well, he used his emotions(shayteen) to work for him.
My point is not to say that I expect anyone here , including myself to have mastered that, but when I see people saying that to respond emotionally for ANY REASON is okay, I have to question thier understanding of the guidance, especially after such a long time defending this 19 "miracle".
Brother Damon, Take your time and stop putting all your efforts behind a cause without examining. I know you are ready to act, but there are rules in life that we cannot move away from, or we meet failure. Or maybe you are actually a follower of the 19 code, perhaps I wrongly assumed you were not in agreement with that.
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Peace i was really surprised when i first read about the code initionally i like it but with time passing away i have to say its just a fitna why its a fitna well it take peoples away from the Message instead of following the Message they start conjecture about 19 but well every one has his/her own understanding but i will request to the followers of code 19 n peoples who r against the code that we should stick with the message instead of proving to every one that either its right or wrong its very similer to sunni who thoughts when they read in Quran to follow God and The Messanger n then Quran was left n peoples just start running behind hadith to follow the Messanger same happend to 19rs they also start running behind the code 19 instead of following or permoting The Message whicih is Quran peace
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peace, salvation, and all the well being to you mujahid, all
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Sunnis Hadith and sunna ARE proven from the quran ? How, by cutting up verses like 59/7 (take what rasool gives u) and decontextualising 'obey Allah and obey messenger'.
Falsehood follows similar patterns, unfortunately.Very good observation mq...the whole code story is about the decontextualising...its a heap of decontextualisations piled up upon another heap of decontexctualisations, piled up upon an another heap... et cetera... ad infinitum...this is among the most important reasons why it shouldnt be accepted, and not some animosity toward numbers, any personality or whatever...
with this in mind it becames clear that Edip and other code 19 supporters together with the whole spectar of symphatisers are far from having probem with 2 verses or so...it would be a great banalisation of the problem....they are having big big problems with many messages of the book.... many of them being essential or in the core of this divine book...actualy they are having great problems with the great reading/quran in general, since more than a simple compilation of its isolated verses and sayings, this God`s message is rather a compact DOCTRINE, in a way an undivisible and unsolubile WHOLE, where the summ is greater and qualitatively significantly different from its parts...
best wishes, Zlatan
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Salaamun alaikum Zlatan,
Very good observation mq...the whole code story is about the decontextualising...its a heap of decontextualisations piled up upon another heap of decontexctualisations, piled up upon an another heap... et cetera... ad infinitum...this is among the most important reasons why it shouldnt be accepted, and not some animosity toward numbers, any personality or whatever...
Thank you. All I was doing was repeating the arguments raised against 19ism from the debate in ropelist made in 1999. I'm very happy that debate took place because it exposed 19ism quite clearly to me.
I believe these false stategies of approaching the book can easily be exposed by compiling all verses and seeing what contradicts (4/82 being the internal principle involved). Sunnism, Shiaism, 19ism and even certain free-minds opinion, imho, fails this analysis.
thanks and peace.