All religions + pseudo spiritual teachings are unnatural
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You see. Everything is nature, We are part of nature. A lion doesn't ask who is He and what He needs to do with his life. A plant doesn't think should it give flowers.
Yet humans are abomination in Natures eyes. We are so far from our nature. We need someone or something to whom we give authority ( in other words power over ourselves ) to tell us who we are ( Hahahaha ) and what to do/ how to be and how to live our lives. It's like a plant or a lion asking another plant or lion those questions. How silly it is?
And what does religions and those which I would call pseudo religious teachings do? They teach go against your own nature. How strange that the One who created this place made and gave every living being in this environment it's own drives and natural part. While Humans must go against their nature?
Why be alive but not be Alive? Why be a male and not even look at a female?
And no from the moment you were born you cannot change yourself. You could have done something ann than decided to not do it again. But again you wouldn't have done it in the first place if it wasn't your nature. You can fight with your nature, which will make you not express your true nature to others. But still it will be in you.We are disgrace to nature.
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It's like a plant or a lion asking another plant or lion those questions. How silly it is?
thats what the difference between human and other creations of earth....
a lion never ask those questions , because the level of his mind is programmed the way he lived.. willingly and unwillingly every body is submitting to God...
1649 And to God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels, and they are not arrogant.
the most silly thing is to comparing human being with the creation on which you rules by the permission of lord...
3131 Have you not seen the ships sailing in the sea by the grace of God, so that He shows you some of His signs? In that are signs for every one who is patient, thankful.
you never see monkeys are making space ships
you never see donkey is making bank balance
you never see horse is giving advice of making horse power engine ... so that he get rid of transport...4312-13 And He is the One who has created all the pairs, and He made for you of the ships and the livestock that which you can ride. So that you may settle on their backs; then recall the blessing of your Lord once you have settled on them, and say ?Glory to the One who has committed this for us, and we could not have done so by ourselves.?
its humanbeing who ask / think / realise/ ponder/ discover/ and control over the resources of what earth produce by communicating ....
due to this communication you see our early ancestors able to defeat more powerful animals
we have a gift of intelligence... by learning process and how lucky we are , our teacher is alrehman...
but yeh we have sides that disgrace us... when we act against nature...
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thats what the difference between human and other creations of earth....
a lion never ask those questions , because the level of his mind is programmed the way he lived.. willingly and unwillingly every body is submitting to God...
the most silly thing is to comparing human being with the creation on which you rules by the permission of lord...
you never see monkeys are making space ships
you never see donkey is making bank balance
you never see horse is giving advice of making horse power engine ... so that he get rid of transport...its humanbeing who ask / think / realise/ ponder/ discover/ and control over the resources of what earth produce by communicating ....
due to this communication you see our early ancestors able to defeat more powerful animals
we have a gift of intelligence... by learning process and how lucky we are , our teacher is alrehman...
but yeh we have sides that disgrace us... when we act against nature...
Imran, Brother, You miss understood everything what I said in this post.
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sorry i just edit the post with some references ....
yes brother hanolo whats the point actually... may b i misunderstood
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No need to apologize Brother, what im saying is not a popular opinion, thus it might easily be understood as something else )
Shortly put I was trying to say that, everything in nature plays its role according to its nature. However, humans are fighting against their own nature. You see we say that we are capable of thinking abstract thoughts and coming up ideas with which can create things like ships, airplanes, computers and etc, due to that we have an advancnt spirit/soul in our bodies. However, Lets say a scientist guy with an advanced spirit/soul has a car crash. Due to this car crush he severely damages his brain. Due to this damage he becomes mentally semi-retarted and emotionally unstable. He turns from a intelligent and peaceful being into a stupid and mentally unstable person. What happened to his "advanced" spirit/soul ? MAYBE He is Human because of his brain?
The thing is if I ask You, if Your soul will be transferred into a lions body. Would you still be You? Would you considered yourself a lion or a human? Can you be You without your human brain? Dont you see it? You are your nature. If You see a beautiful woman and your hormones sart to rush and you want to have good time with this beautiful woman, what is stooping? Your nature, what You are programmed with is telling you what You are supposed to do, than why are you not doing it ?
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thats interesting topic...
is seems we are in the middle of somewhere locked with illusion of reality..
and we have given choices some of them are difficult to crack ..
like we want to spend time with a women and this is a natural requirement of mating ..coupling ..mixing to enhance creation like a seed develop and bring unlimited seeds ...
we have laws desinged for everything .. as a part of this test.. a test which is basically consist of unpleasent outcomes agaisnt our will/wish..
we have power over both , either submit to the system what make us grow further or reject it...
you can take any choice/any way .. its up to you .. become what you want to become or , become what you dnt want to become...morality is the aim of humanity and one thing what al rehamn teach us... a moral beings...
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Imran, what would You define as "morale".
i m afraid i m not good at defining things .... i have my own understandings may b it will not work for you...
by scientific terms moral is something that reach at its mission stage .. from different processes..
like an iron sword.. the stages of developing of iron in billion years and shaping it as a sword as collective atoms of this substence give this sword a name... before having this name sword it was not a thing to mention..
and aftetr this stage the destiny of sword is still unknown either it will be stay like this in muesems for multip billion years more.. or it will get and change the shape again to somethhing else... like knife, or chair...
incase if this sword has freewill too... then with this free will she can kill or save humanity by selecting a choice .. she have power over both...
but the sword keeper will teach her morals of not killing humanity ... which will give that sword fullfill the purpose of his creation ...
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no actually i did not explain anyting to you at all, specially what you ask.. i just finish my topic what was on moral...
so you dnt need to give me credit of explaining "morale" obviously becoz i was not hunting "morale" i m on about moral...
so the moral of this story is ... always correct your spellings before asking things or replying things.. i will also never forget that... bravo bravo bravo bravo
thats why i said i have different understandings of things and it may not work for you hmm
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hansolo,
he question you asks answers itself. human nature is precisely that being able to go against itself, being able to change itself, that its natura, being able to estroy ktself. That is its nature. And that happens because precisely its nature is, as que Qur'an says an arguing nature, a thiking nature. Inspiration and guidance come to help along rule that nature, handle it and since it is able to change , change for the better, transcend itself.
Humans whho merely follow I would not say instinct, but appetites, are mere beasts by choice, becase they may think htat if they do nto follow their appetites they are loosers. It does not mean however that appetites must never be followed but that again is a part of human nature, the need to determine to what extent you are going to follow your appetites and when you are going to not follow them and pursue something else.Al that is nature.
Salaam
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Hansolo,
You write in a way that one cannot interpret your point with what you are arguing for. Could you please clarify?
Do you mean that because all animals were made to have no resistance to instincts, humans are a disgrace because they can go against the instinct?
Or, are those who go against the instinct a disgrace?
And why is that?
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Man of Faith, all Im trying to say is that there is no "Good" or "Bad" in Nature/reality. Everything simply "Is". Of course every action has an opposite reaction. Actions can be beneficial or harmfull. However, everything in nature just simply is.
Most peoples lives are structured and put into a bubble of "good" and "bad". Which essentially comes from religions. Even though most people might not be realizing it, that even the atheist beliefs are based on this principles of duality, the principles of Good" and bad, thus Atheism is no different than any other religions in this case. in this principles.
Emotions for example which are feelings expressed by the Soul trough the body, are almost always nowadays put into a category into a bubble of "Good" or "Bad", so there is two sides basically. Either Good or Bad. The things is, this is not Natural and not how things supposed to be.
In Nature everything is just IS, Nature does not Rate or Judge. Its Humans who do, putting things into categories, creating false illusions and unnatural rules etc. Living this way is so destructive to your being, it is going to make you miserable, guaranteed, because it is not natural. It is not how Nature/Reality works.
This is also similar to people who believe in "Time", that there is a structured line of time and we move from year to year, month to month, and so on. But it doesn't work that way. If you believe in Jesus for example. We are still on the same earth that Jesus lived in, we are still on the same time, we are still in the same year so to speak. Because nothing as such has changed, no time has actually gone by, even if it is 2000 years now. Because thats just man made, because all thats is really happening is bacteria and cells moving from one space to another, but this movement is not time, it is nonsense to belief as such. It is quite similar in believing in the "good" and "bad" thing. Thats just men putting structures onto everything in nature, when in Nature everything is just "Is".
One comes into the trap choosing a side in the world. If one is religious or not, it doesn't even matter. There is so many other mind traps/illusion, I bet you know most of them. ( Gough, Gough, Political beliefs, social beliefs etc.) So even if you're christian or you are a satanist and you believe that what you are doing is good or bad, doesn't make sense, because everybody welcomes or doesn't welcomes something else, so one can never be doing something welcoming or not welcoming meaning good ro bad to everybody. Thats just one of the reasons why it doesn't make sene. the essential point is that if you have chosen this sides, you are missing out on so much. Because all this stuff which is scattered around the reality/nature, the are all beautiful in how they are, because they all around a part of the nature/reality.
Just because there is Day & Night, doesn't mean that there is "Good" or "Bad". It just means that nature welcomes both of these things. If it was not intended to Be, it would have not existed in the first place. So Life is simply an experience in nature. Good and Bad only works for each individual. So when for example i want to eat something sweet and there is a choice between some meals i would say that the sweeter stuff is good because at that movement i welcomed it more, so good and bad as such in that way can be used and of course it works, it is logical so to say. So just because there is duality in many ways as you see in nature/reality it doesn't mean that it is "good" or "bad". it is something very different. And the simplest way to indretsand this is, if something wasn't welcomed by nature it wouldn't be there in the first place.
There is no place other than nature/reality, one cannot run from nature/reality, one cannot run from himself/herself/nature/the-real-you
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If you mean good as in good and bad as evil, I can agree with you. Evilness is subjective. It is better to call evilness delusion or darkness or even pure ignorance.
There are some conceptual viewpoints which you need to reconsider though.
Time is relative, but it does not mean there were no sequences since Jesus. There has been from point A to B since 2000 years ago, even if years are experienced in a certain way for human beings on Earth. The universe is linear in that regard even if time is experienced differently depending on the relativity.
I know how you may think now and still it is right depending on someone not having to experience Earth binding, 2000 years ago would be like yesterday. And it is for the soul too, it can still be present 2000 years ago as if it was yesterday, just as I can remember my past life as if it was only some decades ago and it has been millennia, but since I have not experienced the time frame in between it feels recent.
Nature is according to something which has been determined. The animals behave according to what has been decided and there is no good or evil thus. Even humans who lack a developed spirit of their soul are basically animals following a determination and it is called act on instinct and so you could say also here that there is no evil. But for humans, being susceptible to the instinct is darkness and it shows a lack of development. The reason for that is the imposed delusion by the world itself.
I can see you have been influenced by some doctrine which is false because you say people do things against nature unless I misunderstand what you mean. You can do something which is constructive and logical while you can do something which is ignorant. It is possible to do something which is detrimental to your spiritual well-being, so you can basically do something which is wrong in order to grow, but it is not necessarily evil. Calling something evil is an emotional reaction, but it can be dark (something you do when you cannot see).
Nature is there as a challenge, your challenge, and if you accept nature as natural then you are in deep trouble.
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
Nature is there as a challenge, your challenge, and if you accept nature as natural then you are in deep trouble.
this is some interesting line from you after ages.. )
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so God created this reality to see who are better at fighting against the influences this nature/reality is summoning upon them?
God already knew the answer.. since no information is hidden from him.. from any space or time dimension...
God doesn't have any needs so He need not any objective..Man of Faith, all Im trying to say is that there is no "Good" or "Bad" in Nature/reality. Everything simply "Is".
Agree with you on this one...
In order to experience "Good" or "Bad" one need to put a "PERSPECTIVE"... from which angle / subject / point of observation one judge something is good or bad.
Gigantic meteor strikes causing the death and extinction of millions of species..
BAD from the perspective of species who wanted to stay alive and prolonged their progeny. (reads Reptiles->Dinosaur)
GOOD from the perspective of new species which shall grow due to extinction of the millions of species (read Mammals->Human)A racist supremacist Adolf Hitler starting a holy crusade for the glory of Aryan race and Lebensraum (Living space for the Aryan race)
BAD from the perspective of the Untermensch (Sub human / non Aryan race / Jews, Gypsies, Slavs) as Adolf was aiming for genocide and slavery upon them.
GOOD from the perspective of the Germans and other South Asians / African people as Mr. Adolf waged war against their colonizer (Brits, French), destroyed their financial resources and opening an opportunity for independence (give birth to new and emancipated country of India, Pakistan->Bangladesh, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Malaya, Singapore, Ghana, Nigeria etc..)Having said that, human and also other mammals have the gift of 'empathy'.. it's a natural gift.. it doesn't need any religion or spiritual cult to flourish.. infact religious (read unquestionable) doctrine usually was used to suppress the human feeling of empathy...
It enable human to see things from 'the other side'... observing the other side perspective...
Empathy drives human to also makes others feels GOOD... and it can sense BAD even when it's coming from the other perspective...As such the main tenet was JUST, explained by "Do unto others what you want others do to you"... cited as 'greatest commandment' by many traditions around the globe..
Massacring the Jews/Gypsies/Slavs.. was it JUST?
What if you're Jews/Gypsies/Slavs? How would you like to be treated?Yet religious doctrine were used to suppress such sentiment... it is JUST because Jews/Gypsies/Slavs are EVIL, they're OUR ENEMY... and those who dare to disagree can be considered as AMONG OUR ENEMY, the same as Jews/Gypsies/Slavs.. They shall face an execution by the SS (Religious Police).
Based on scientific experiment, faced with fear from the authority, only less than 1% of human dare to resist their own fear and fight the EVIL coming from authoritative figure / institution. It's a (sad) and natural fact of current human state...
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this is some interesting line from you after ages.. )
The bait worked then. Wohoo.
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Man of Faith, so God created this reality to see who are better at fighting against the influences this nature/reality is summoning upon them?
So even though it is God who created it in the first place, we must fight against?
Peace
Not really so. It is more like this is an environment of development which provides a sufficient challenge to accumulate refined beings, whenever they get out if ever. The challenge is designed to be corrupting and it is commendable to make it. Shattered from the Originator (God), have to grow while under delusion. But you have a mirror soul of God albeit blank, so you can make it, as long as you understand that the body was put on Earth as a kind of contradiction, challenge. Your "jihad" is basically within yourself; the two of you, body and soul. The body is a fairly sophisticated primate while the soul has perfect potential, but the body is designed to corrupt and hold you back from growing spiritually. Your aim is to be absolutely independent from the beast in you, not weak to its calls.
God created the Earth to provide some instrumentation in order to run a project, for this place has a logical purpose beyond merely being an awe and if you see the design as marvelous this is just a demonstration of the ability of God. The world is made to be an environment for Adam, but this does not say it is not a manifestation of the imagination and creativity of God. Just look at the vast set of matter and its forms, animals with beautiful, funny and interesting designs, substances with fascinating features and all of that is created from the Nuur, which is a "God-to-humanity" term to indicate "Integrity Be Foundation" and means the invisible building stones of the universe only accessible to God with Managers (Maleikat) included and could be regarded as energy (read about Quantum Physics if you like human physics theories on our reality).
Thus, God has no problems with art and such decorations of humans as God is quite the artist Himself together with the Managers who used their creativity in forming our world. Religionists who forbid expressions of art are out on thin ice and misunderstand life. It has been proven by scientists that creating with imagination stimulates the brain and that is because it stimulates the soul with its spirit. The question instead is how you use that creativity, inventing the atomic bomb is perhaps not the most constructive expression of creativity. That is of darkness, of destruction.
A person can also use their creativity in becoming skilled artists at written language and that is what I am attempting since my destiny is relaying the lore of God in catching ways so that people understand that I am authoritative on the subject and not merely rambling. I have seen mankind needs inspirational guidance and more intricate details on what must be done for their salvation. How does it help a person to merely be believing in God and be good when they have something which prevents them from accomplishing that and are not aware of the opposition?
One relevant factor is that the body is a clear problem with its Satan which drives to Hierarchy, materialism, vanity, obsession, self-preservation, domination, promiscuity, greed, falsehood and jealousy. One must be conscious of the instinct which drives Homo sapiens and is separate from the superiority of the spirit of the soul.
Like Jesus once allegedly said "Separate the spirit from the body (flesh)", even if you do not believe it to stem from an authoritative source it is indeed an intelligent statement which is true for us.
"Know your self and you know the Origin/ator (Father)", what do you think is the point with that argument? Yes, you know the nature of God if you explore your self because a mirror of God is present within you, beyond that pile of flesh and you can be better than you may believe. Be certain, be certain (amen amen), i.e. have confidence, great confidence.
There is no point in conceiving life as "God is greater than I" as while it is true God encompasses more than you do, you have "divine" potential and God encourages your growth and is not jealous, you do not challenge Him in any way as no one can change the fact God encompasses more than you do. God is with you, like a part of you and it is who you are, if you are (if you grow into an independently existing person, a unique individual/share).
Be well
Qarael Amenuel -
You see. Everything is nature, We are part of nature. A lion doesn't ask who is He and what He needs to do with his life. A plant doesn't think should it give flowers.
That would be the basic nature. He does some abstract things. Like he usually prefers to look for his own pride. So we can ask who teaches him to do that? How he knows he needs to be a part of a new pride? I can't tell for sure about the selection process. Normally, there can be 3 lions in one pride. So we can ask why no more than 3? Strangely, the females, if separated are not easily allowed to be part of a new pride. But why? The ladies are known to hide their babies for some weeks also because of some sort of danger.From their viewpoint, therefore, we can extract good and bad
Becoming part of a pride good
Not being accepted by one bad
Hiding the kids protecting them from evilAnd what does religions and those which I would call pseudo religious teachings do? They teach go against your own nature. How strange that the One who created this place made and gave every living being in this environment it's own drives and natural part. While Humans must go against their nature?
God does say we have moral detection system built into our nature. But not only religions teach people to go against it. The thing is visible in many parts of humans' lives. Think about the term "everyone is doing it and thus it is not bad".