Clearly Hateful postings - why?

imrankhawaja

Iblis is to jinns as Adam is to ins.

hmm so finally u understand the difference between jinn and ins ..

Verse 14.48 says the land will be replaced by the contrary (ghayra) of the land. It doesn't say "by another one".

Same for heavens.

It has to be understood as current ins living in the land and current jinns living in the heavens (i.e. in the mind) will be replaced the contrary of what existed (at the time of Muhammad).

i asked you to provide the full interpretation , so that i test your method with cross referrence where quran use this "ard"

BTW thts how its started you decide to pick 14 48 but you ignored 21 104 and these are just two examples out of many for hereafter when you claimed this....
(plus Quran clearly says that Paradise is on Earth).

you still did not provide the evidence where did quran said paradise is on "earth" ..

1448 The Day the earth is replaced with another earth, as are the heavens,
and they will appear before God, the One, the Supreme

21104 On the Day when We roll up the heavens like the scroll of a book is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

oh yeh i forget to mention what will happen when our sun will become a "red giant" after some billion years perhaps..
we know its light is due to a chemical reaction and one day the fuel will get finish ..

EdQ

Actually, I call you a child simply because you talk like a child.

Is it childish to do the following which you have done

to say Muslims are in Hell and say Muslims are invaded because they deserve it?
to Say you love Europe and Israel as Paradise and hate Muslim countries as Hell?
to not respond to my previous post rebutting your reasons why Muslims deserve to invaded?
to say that Muslims deserve to be invaded because they don't follow the Quran and not even answer why Europe and Israel does not deserve the same for not following the Quran?
to call Muslim Weak minds for being invaded and thereby side with the aggressors - thereby implying that to be an aggressor is somehow angelic and being a victim is deserved as one is bad?

You have also not even responded to my previous posting where I rebutt your contentious and racist points.

You are completely confused here color of the skin has nothing to do here.

Here is a note for you on Racism - race does NOT exist because you cannot say that it is a race to have a particular colour of skin or to have a particular way of doing something.
However, Racism does exist because it is based on an irrational hatred of what the racist perceives as inferior races who deserve their inferior position based on skin colour or culture.

You have behaved like a racist by using hatred against Muslims who live in non-European lands and say that they deserve to be invaded - this is irrational and exposes your racist hatred whilst you try to hide behind the Quran.

I am not sure whether this is genuinely due to a false superiority complex or actually due to an inferiority complex - But the reality is that an inferiority complex usually leads to the notion of a superiority complex. It is not always based on wanting to be perceived as superior but sometimes in being like the perceived superior groups around one.

I wish you will realize the truth that all people are equal.

My moral beliefs are not based on pity but strong minds vs. weak minds.
Strong minds, following the example of Dhul-Qarnain, have the right, and sometimes the duty to dominate weak minds.

So now you are saying that Muslims are damned by God and that Europeans who invade Muslim lands are like chosen people similar to Dhul-Qarnain?
While you like to call others childish for challenging you hate, do you feel this is not childish for you is it?

Weak minds, those who think and behave like apes, pigs or cattle, or worse must expect ending up being dominated.
It is written in Quran.

So whilst you call others childish, you do not feel it is childish to say Muslims deserve to be invaded and dominated because they are weak minds and calling them apes, pigs and cattle.... ?

Do you live on Earth or Zandon?

You are totally spiritually confused my dear child. Goal is not to follow Quran but to follow major ideas of Quran, mainly

That is the 3rd time you are saying my posting challenging you hatred is childish - Your hatred has been logged so maybe you need to reassess who is childish - what say you?

You seem to invent your own "goals" of invading Muslims and cursing Muslims as weak minds or animals and now you say that you have a tainted goal go follow parts of the Quran that can be translated to justify you hatred?

I guess you would not call that childis?

a) do not follow path of Taghyia (extremism) and obscurantism
b) do not use constraints to people to follow your system
c) use reason
d) do not let priesthood have the hand on civil affairs (separate church from state), because they will say this according to God's will and that is not, without proof, and they will lead people to obscurantism.

These are univeral ideas that Quran is referring to when it says same revelation was sent to previous messengers.

If you believe so ardently in this hateful reasoning, why have you not even bothered to respond to my previous rebuttal of your hateful reasoning?
You seem to simply add on more points to justify your hate.

Yes, I like Israel much more than Hamas or Muslim countries.

You actually don't, and you are not sincere.

So you like the concepts of ignoring UN resolutions not to steal land and has setting up an open air concentration camp that goes by the name GAZA?

No doubt based on your perceived superiority to Muslims?

EdQ

Thank you very very much for asking this question. I am deleting my long reply to other parts of your post to focus on just this.
This world has some rules and Quran tells us how to abide by them so we may avoid dangers which of course can come in any way possible. I told you in another thread that we are all connected to each other. Today if I do something bad people around me even after being innocent will have to go down with me. The struggle can get worse if I was actually more powerful and God gave me the opportunities to avoid my bad deeds. This is not limited to Muslims or Muslim countries. All of us regardless of what we believe risk getting penalized equally when we fly high. We don?t need to physically commit a crime to make it happen. There is a reason why God told us to be genuinely good even in the heart. If you just follow the current story of our America you will see it screaming.

Even last year, people were busy hating on each other. Specifically, exmuslims were going around claiming that ISIS truly, madly, faithfully followed Quran and thus, they represented Islam. Then there was some hindu group who supported Trump while saying together they were gonna fight ?radical Islam?, but it seemed their main target was the Muslim population. Now Trump is in power. Some hindu guys were killed for being mistaken as ?Middle Eastern?. Other Indians complained about being stripped by airport security officials. And oh, one Syrian Christian supporter of Trump had to see her relatives being deported. As for exmuslims, most of them have changed their tone and are discouraging the other exMuslim Trump supporters from reducing the ?hate?. They know quite well that what they wanted now may simply end up punishing their innocent family members and of course, airport officials do not care about the word ?ex?. Same goes for Mr Sam Harris who just couple of years ago wanted Muslims to be profiled. Now there is a man in the office who dreams of that. But unfortunately, he hates the Jews also. Ironically, when everyone was busy ?fearing? and ?hating? ?Muslims? the natural law made sure to outsmart them with a real threat called Russia. The overall message of the Quran is that

Our ignorance can kill our own 6140
If we wish bad for someone it may just end up being bad for us. This lesson is clearly depicted in the story of Pharaoh?s wife. She prayed to God so she could be saved from her husband in 6611 . But it seems she didn?t give details of how. God did grant her safety from her husband, but in a condition she could not accept and thus she changed her tone.
If we plot then there might be just another plot coming behind us 830
There are many other variables in the Quran.

One does not have to be Muslim for it though. We know it because the west already has made some of those Quranic laws important part of their law allegedly without knowing! But yes, our senses and actions are all counted here. Time is less. We can't be late. Otherwise, we risk getting "penalized".

So you made contentious claims that Muslims countries deserved and now have decided not to reply?

I CHALLENGED THESE CONTENTIOUS CLAIMS IN LAST RESPONSE TO YOU.

Where is the reply?

Should I say "Thank you for nothing"?

You said that those who are bombed deserve to be bombed - and I asked if you seriously meant this also in relation to the Manchester attacks - you did not reply.

Is that your idea of engaging in a debate?

You appear to make monolithic monologues and refuse to back up your contentious claims.

Based on this I cannot take anything you write seriously.

If you have a tinge of sincerity please respond to the points even if they are short one sentence responses.

Anoushirvan

hmm so finally u understand the difference between jinn and ins ..

I do, you don't

i asked you to provide the full interpretation , so that i test your method with cross referrence where quran use this "ard"

I gave it, you didn't understand my answer.

Btw, people, including quran-alone people that are very close to my own ideas, believe that Quran is a book fallen from nowhere or from the sky on the head of Muhammad, or dictated by God to Muhammmad.

Until they give this stupid idea, they cannot fully understand what Quran says. And especially what it says by the Earth / Al-'Ard.

Quran was not a text dictated to Muhammad for polytheist people. This is a misinterpretation from Islam.

Quran was a argumentation text for the Children of Israel, i.e. Jews and Christians. Therefore a Jew or a Christian in the 7th century would have very well understood what al-'Ard means.

Al-'Ard meant for them the Promised Land, and in a first place the Land of Israel, although a spiritual meaning of al-'Ard is also possible (and it is a spiritual meaning for Christians).

A key concept in Judaism and Christianism is the Alliance with God. This Alliance is strongly tied to the Promised Land. A people within this Alliance is entitled to occupy the Promised Land, either in geographical meaning for the Jews, or in spiritual meaning for the Christians.

So when Quran says that the land will be replaced by the contrary of the land and the heavens will be replaced by the contrary of the heavens, it means that people, who believed they lied within this Alliance and believed they were entitled to occupy the Promised Land (geographical or spiritual), will be kicked out of the Alliance because of their sins and instead the true believers will inherit the land.

If you believe this has something to do with a Big Crunch, then you are out of luck.

BTW thts how its started you decide to pick 14 48 but you ignored 21 104 and these are just two examples out of many for hereafter when you claimed this....
(plus Quran clearly says that Paradise is on Earth).

you still did not provide the evidence where did quran said paradise is on "earth" ..

This

3974 And they said "Praise be to God who has fulfilled His promise to us, and He made us inherit the land, enjoying Paradise as we please. What a beautiful recompense for the workers!"

EdQ

I do, you don't

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Anoushirvan

You have also not even responded to my previous posting where I rebutt your contentious and racist points.

Well, it's really hard to find any meaningful statement in your logorrhea.
When I believe something looks like an argument, I try to address it.

I wish you will realize the truth that all people are equal.

Nonsense.

Equal in what ? In size ?
Like a French minister of Woman Rights who said 30 years ago "I want equality of sex, and since I am the minister, I will take the measures myself".

Probably what you meant is that all people are born free and equal in rights. And I bet you don't know what it means.
This completely refers to civil rights in a given country.
Until few centuries ago in Europe, people were divided into different estates, like clergy, nobles, and peasants.
The estate of one person was defined at birth for his or her whole life and each estate was bound to a different set of civil rights.
For example, method of execution for death penalty was not the same for the nobles and for the peasants.

So when it is said that people are born equal in rights, it means that no condition of birth shall determine the set of civil rights.

In all free countries, people are born free and equal in rights.

When we compare to Muslim countries, obviously this is not the case, people are not born equal in rights.

First of all, women do not enjoy the same civil rights as men, especially in inheritance. Even in a country like Morocco that tries to be as modern as possible.
Second, depending on the religion of your parents, you are not bound the same set of laws, especially for marriage, e.g. in Liban, Iran or Morocco.
Third, slavery still exists Sudan, and in Mauritania (although they claim it has been abolished in 1982 !).

So now you are saying that Muslims are damned by God and that Europeans who invade Muslim lands are like chosen people similar to Dhul-Qarnain?

Somewhat, yes.

So whilst you call others childish, you do not feel it is childish to say Muslims deserve to be invaded and dominated because they are weak minds and calling them apes, pigs and cattle.... ?

It is said in Quran, if you don't know (maybe you are among those who sing it, and don't read it).

If you believe so ardently in this hateful reasoning, why have you not even bothered to respond to my previous rebuttal of your hateful reasoning?
You seem to simply add on more points to justify your hate.

Because I don't see any real argument in your logorrhea.

So you like the concepts of ignoring UN resolutions not to steal land and has setting up an open air concentration camp that goes by the name GAZA?

5030 The Day We say to Hell "Are you full?" And it says "Is there not more?"

EdQ

Well, it's really hard to find any meaningful statement in your logorrhea.
When I believe something looks like an argument, I try to address it.

So you spread hate and refuse to respond to rebuttals of it?

Nonsense.

And you have read your nonsensical posts of hate?

Equal in what ? In size ?

So you have spoken about nonsense of other posters, but you feel that when talking about equality of humans that it is about size?
That's sad.

Like a French minister of Woman Rights who said 30 years ago "I want equality of sex, and since I am the minister, I will take the measures myself".

You define equality based on your strange argumentation? Is that also nonsensical as you like to wish on others?

Probably what you meant is that all people are born free and equal in rights.

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

And I bet you don't know what it means.
This completely refers to civil rights in a given country.

He goes off on another tangent to avoid talking about equality when he calls Muslims pigs and calls for their lands to be invaded as they are weak minded and deserve it?

Until few centuries ago in Europe, people were divided into different estates, like clergy, nobles, and peasants.
The estate of one person was defined at birth for his or her whole life and each estate was bound to a different set of civil rights.
For example, method of execution for death penalty was not the same for the nobles and for the peasants.

How does this..... this.... this paragraph (!) address your own inequality between Europeans and Muslims (ie white vs. Non-white) peoples?
You have said you want the non-white Muslim nations to be invaded because they are weak minded pigs who are not equal with your angelic Europeans and Israelis.
Read your posts if you care to?

So when it is said that people are born equal in rights, it means that no condition of birth shall determine the set of civil rights.

so you like to talk about Muslims being weak-minded pigs who deserve to be invaded? Let me see..... because you think they are not equal to Europeans?

In all free countries, people are born free and equal in rights.

You define free as what? Born to have anything you say controlled - not to say certain things for fear of imprisonment - to work from as soon as you can till 70 and pay your rulers half of what you earn?
To blindly let your nations invade other nations illegally because you think other nations deserve to be invaded because they are weak?

When we compare to Muslim countries, obviously this is not the case, people are not born equal in rights.

You man like Saudi Arabia which is bankrolled by Europe and the US?
You man Saudi Arabia that keeps its women oppressed and invades regional countries thanks to it being propped up by Western arms?

First of all, women do not enjoy the same civil rights as men, especially in inheritance. Even in a country like Morocco that tries to be as modern as possible.
Second, depending on the religion of your parents, you are not bound the same set of laws, especially for marriage, e.g. in Liban, Iran or Morocco.
Third, slavery still exists Sudan, and in Mauritania (although they claim it has been abolished in 1982 !).

You have said Muslims are not equal with Europeans and so Muslim nations deserve to be invaded and that Muslim nations are hell. You call Muslims pigs and donkeys.

What does that have to do with equality of women when you say that Europeans and Muslims are not equal.

Could you kindly try to focus?

Somewhat, yes.

You don't see the bigoted and hateful view when you say that Europeans are chosen and therefore they should invade Muslims?

It is said in Quran, if you don't know (maybe you are among those who sing it, and don't read it).

All you hate is said in the Quran?
So the Quran says that Europeans should invade Muslim nations because Muslims are pigs as you say? or weak minded as you say?
That is the rant of a racist - you have been called out.

Because I don't see any real argument in your logorrhea.

While you constantly spout hateful and racist views of Europeans right to invade Muslim lands because Muslims are weak minded and like animals as you say?

And this is not racist dribble on your part?

5030 The Day We say to Hell "Are you full?" And it says "Is there not more?"

And this is your justification that you make when you say Muslims are weak minded animals not equal to Europeans and so their lands need to be invaded and - as you say, Muslim lands are hell?

You are a racist and a hater hiding your hate behind the Quran

WHY?

unknownuser

In all free countries, people are born free and equal in rights.

When we compare to Muslim countries, obviously this is not the case, people are not born equal in rights.

First of all, women do not enjoy the same civil rights as men, especially in inheritance. Even in a country like Morocco that tries to be as modern as possible.
Second, depending on the religion of your parents, you are not bound the same set of laws, especially for marriage, e.g. in Liban, Iran or Morocco.
Third, slavery still exists AS WELL AS child labour Sudan, and in Mauritania (although they claim it has been abolished in 1982 !).

bravo bravo

unknownuser

imrankhawaja

I do, you don't

yes you do but in a confused way which is based on logical fallacy..

I gave it, you didn't understand my answer.

you did not gave it , i asked full interpretation word by word you can still do it.. (give the interpretation of full verses both of them)

(plus Quran clearly says that Paradise is on Earth). your evidence is

This

3974 And they said "Praise be to God who has fulfilled His promise to us, and He made us inherit the land, enjoying Paradise as we please. What a beautiful recompense for the workers!"

this is the quality of a poor example i have ever come accross in my life.
if a new learner show this example to me i can understand , what i dnt understand when people make such big claims and they ended in committing such logical fallacies..

now look point by point with cross reference .. ( i will gona rip this off from BOTH SIDES just for this last time)

FIRST SIDE... the word janat we can use as earthly garden too.. like in uk alone there are more than 10000 jannats ..

example from Quran of above claim is given below..

509 And We send down from the high atmosphere blessed water whereby We cause to grow colorful gardens and fields of grains.

SECOND SIDE

the example of above verse what you gave i want you to go back one more verse , same like when you rewind the MOVIE
the easy method of learning quran is to check the surrounding verses perhaps you did not ponder over this .

3973 Those who revered their Lord will be driven to Paradise in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Peace be upon you. You have done well, so enter to abide herein."

if somebody go according to your understanding ,
its mean .. these guards are immigration officers.. rotfl
who say peace and put all the groups to the detention center..who are running from their lives and they past the horrors of life from wars to sinking boats.. and finally in a jannat prison.. some of them will get stay in jannat some of them will get deport back their country forcefully bravo
in this so called jannat where one toilet is for 100 refugees.. & lot more but i have other things to say before i go off topic..

after that verse 74 makes a perfect sense whats going on there..

ok lets take a MOVIE few more minutes(verses) back..

i ll gona start from 39 68 ( i guess before claiming you did not read it)

3968 And the horn will be blown, whereupon everyone in the heavens and the earth will be struck unconscious, except those spared by God. Then it will be blown another time, whereupon they will all rise up, looking.

(what time is this?)

3969 The earth will shine with the light of its Lord, the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.

( can you locate me this garden brother Anoushirvan where this situation is going on , i did not see any garden where prophets are giving witnesses perhaps you already discovered it like jinns understanding)

ok lets move bit further...

3971 Those who rejected will be driven to hell in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Did you not receive messengers from among you, who recited to you the signs of your Lord, and warned you about meeting this day?" They said, "Yes, but the promise of retribution was destined to be upon the ingrates."

(another situation on earth)
hmm

after that read verses 72 , 73 and your provided 74 elektro

ADVICE
reading quran with surrounding verses is one of the best and sound method of understanding scripture.. next time do apply that method before claiming such logical fallacy..

Peace and God bless you..

Anoushirvan

you did not gave it , i asked full interpretation word by word you can still do it.. (give the interpretation of full verses both of them)

So please be clearer in your request. Word by word, it is

Day (yawma), (when) the land (al-'Ardu) is replaced (tubaddalu) by what is not (ghayra) the land (al-'Ardi), and the heavens (wa as-samawatu), and they will have gone out (barazu) to Allah, the One, the Supreme Dominant.

now look point by point with cross reference .. ( i will gona rip this off from both sides just for this last time)

FIRST SIDE... the word janat we can use as earthly garden too.. like in uk alone there are more than 10000 jannats ..

example from Quran of above claim is given below..

509 And We send down from the high atmosphere blessed water whereby We cause to grow colorful gardens and fields of grains.

Where did I say that I deny that janat means garden in Quran ? Nowhere.

The problem is that you don't understand what "garden" means in Quran.

You are stuck in the first sense of the meaning of "garden", maybe because of this twisted translation where sama'i is translated by this anachronical expression "high atmosphere".

When I say, "please understand what is the jinn to understand what is the garden", it is not only because jinn and janat are of the same root.
It is also because by assonance jinn/janat, janat is metaphorically a good place (or more accurately a good state) where the good jinn can spiritually grow. And the jinn in Quran is nothing more than human culture, imaginary and intelligence.

You don't understand that Quran is full of metaphores, and it is probably because like almost all people of Quran, you believe it is a text dictated by God to be understood in the first sense.
Please make the step to grasp this idea and you will make a huge progress in your understanding of this book.

SECOND SIDE

the example of above verse what you gave i want you to go back one more verse , same like when you rewind the MOVIE
the easy method of learning quran is to check the surrounding verses perhaps you did not ponder over this .

3973 Those who revered their Lord will be driven to Paradise in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Peace be upon you. You have done well, so enter to abide herein."

if somebody go according to your understanding ,
its mean .. these guards are immigration officers.. rotfl

Very funny, but no, verse 39.73 does not refer to immigration officers.

i ll gona start from 39 68 ( i hope before claiming you did not read it)

3968 And the horn will be blown, whereupon everyone in the heavens and the earth will be struck unconscious, except those spared by God. Then it will be blown another time, whereupon they will all rise up, looking.

(what time is this?)

3969 The earth will shine with the light of its Lord, the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.

( can you locate me this garden brother Anoushirvan where this situation is going on , i did not see any garden where prophets are giving witnesses perhaps you already discovered it like jinns understanding)

ok lets move bit further...

3971 Those who rejected will be driven to hell in groups. When they reach it, and its gates are opened, its guards will say to them "Did you not receive messengers from among you, who recited to you the signs of your Lord, and warned you about meeting this day?" They said, "Yes, but the promise of retribution was destined to be upon the ingrates."

(another situation on earth)
hmm

after that read verses 72 , 73 and your provided 74 elektro

ADVICE
reading quran with surrounding verses is one of the best and sound method of understanding scripture.. next time do apply that method before claiming such logical fallacy..

There is a big difference between you and me in the understanding of Quran.
You are reading it only in the first sense and taking it only litterally.

I read it metaphorically, because a lot of verses are taken from Jewish esoteric scriptures (we can find the same in the midrashs) and we know how these scriptures were composed, that is as metaphores, allegories, and paraboles.

imrankhawaja

If you believe this has something to do with a Big Crunch, then you are out of luck.

i never used any words like BIG crunch..

but yeh if i have to use the words i would love to use these two words for an up comming event

one is
second one is

for more details about these two events you may read chapter 99 & 101

we can still say its like a coming MOVIE trailors..

imrankhawaja

Where did I say that I deny that janat means garden in Quran ? Nowhere.

listen brother dnt fool urself and others ..

look the thread and dnt take uturns for proving ur baseless theories with illogical fallacies..

you first claimed Jannat(paradise) is on earth..and then you gave refference of that jannat in 3974

Very funny, but no, verse 39.73 does not refer to immigration officers.

yes according to you it reffers to immigration officers becoz your paradise is on earth.. isnt it..

I read it metaphorically, because a lot of verses are taken from Jewish esoteric scriptures

another logical fallacy and thanks you soooooooooooooooo much for letting us know that you are the one who dnt actually beleive in quran..

nothing is taken from any jewish scriptures..

Quran is from God through a powerful friend (gabi)

255 And they said "Fictional tales of old! He wrote them down while they were being dictated to him morning and evening."

(this verse truly indicates you are also one of them if i am not wrong?)

16101 And if We exchange a revelation in place of another revelation; and God is more aware of what He is revealing; they say ?You are making this up!? Alas, most of them do not know.

16102 Say ?The Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord with the truth, so that those who believe will be strengthened, and as a guidance and good news for those who have submitted.?

i actually need to ask from you one thing
about this proverb "wolf in sheep cloth" what are the origins of this proverb, i asked one of my friend and he told me its from SWEDEN , is it true.. becoz i dnt have much knowledge of proverbs..

imrankhawaja

So please be clearer in your request. Word by word, it is

Day (yawma), (when) the land (al-'Ardu) is replaced (tubaddalu) by what is not (ghayra) the land (al-'Ardi), and the heavens (wa as-samawatu), and they will have gone out (barazu) to Allah, the One, the Supreme Dominant.

hahahahahahaha oh my Gosh

ok see once more ..

i ask you give me word by word interpretation and you gave me word by word translation...

interpretation means... how you interprete the full event with surrounding verses.. keep in mind
what it have to do with heavens etc
where this verse is pointing to....? HINT the topic started from verse 47 till 52 which is ending verse of that chapter

ur interpretation i think so will take some couple of lines for describing all this .. as u make a big claim..
so thats what i ask..

EdQ

In all free countries, people are born free and equal in rights.

When we compare to Muslim countries, obviously this is not the case, people are not born equal in rights.

First of all, women do not enjoy the same civil rights as men, especially in inheritance. Even in a country like Morocco that tries to be as modern as possible.
Second, depending on the religion of your parents, you are not bound the same set of laws, especially for marriage, e.g. in Liban, Iran or Morocco.
Third, slavery still exists AS WELL AS child labour Sudan, and in Mauritania (although they claim it has been abolished in 1982 !).

bravo bravo

I am sure Trump will welcome non-white people (alleged) who like to praise his kind of racism to "Free" America (Like even Americans think it is free).

Mind, you a bit of "the grass is greener on the other side" wishful thinking never hurt anyone until they got deported or were held in detention.

I will be waving my hand to these people as I walk by through customs - if I even decide that I want to step foot back in the US while it is ruled by a racist bozo.

reel

So you made contentious claims that Muslims countries deserved and now have decided not to reply?

I CHALLENGED THESE CONTENTIOUS CLAIMS IN LAST RESPONSE TO YOU.

Where is the reply?

Should I say "Thank you for nothing"?

You said that those who are bombed deserve to be bombed - and I asked if you seriously meant this also in relation to the Manchester attacks - you did not reply.

Is that your idea of engaging in a debate?

You appear to make monolithic monologues and refuse to back up your contentious claims.

Based on this I cannot take anything you write seriously.

If you have a tinge of sincerity please respond to the points even if they are short one sentence responses.

No, I deleted because I realized that you didn't know what I was talking about. That's the same reason why I didn't make a big deal out of the so called "hateful" posts of the two new users. You people are young. You have a lot to explore. Once I was heavily prejudiced. I can relate to the behavior of you people, but I throughout the years I cooled down. I am expecting God to help you in that too.

Secondly, I work with people of many different conditions....from many different countries. Some come from the war torn "Muslim" countries. As I told you earlier, sometimes people have a story to tell. Hating isn't a hobby or money making scheme for all. I am very much used to their complaints. Some curse the American government. Some curse the Arabian government. Some curse their own "Muslim" societies. Some curse ISIS and Al Qaida. Then there are also windows and orphans of American soldiers. Try working in a military run hospital or refugee camp. Perhaps, then it may help you see things much clearly.

Take your rhetoric over there and see how it goes.

EdQ

No, I deleted because I realized that you didn't know what I was talking about. That's the same reason why I didn't make a big deal out of the so called "hateful" posts of the two new users. You people are young. You have a lot to explore. Once I was heavily prejudiced. I can relate to the behavior of you people, but I throughout the years I cooled down. I am expecting God to help you in that too.

Secondly, I work with people of many different conditions....from many different countries. Some come from the war torn "Muslim" countries. As I told you earlier, sometimes people have a story to tell. Hating isn't a hobby or money making scheme for all. I am very much used to their complaints. Some curse the American government. Some curse the Arabian government. Some curse their own "Muslim" societies. Some curse ISIS and Al Qaida. Then there are also windows and orphans of American soldiers. Try working in a military run hospital or refugee camp. Perhaps, then it may help you see things much clearly.

Take your rhetoric over there and see how it goes.

Cranking your way out of a debate where you have implied that the Manchester Attack victims deserve bombing is disingenuous.

You are not in a position to justify your clueless posts and your justification of a delusional poster who has been put on a watch list for inciting hate.
You are not in a position to justify your support for an extremist like him who says Muslims are weak minded animals who deserve to be invaded - and that Muslims lands are hell.

Instead of you constantly making assumptions about other people and talking either like you are 99 years old or 9 years old - and instead of telling people to go to lands that have are the scene of America's invasions, genocide and destruction of non-white people, try a simple thing. SILENCE.

Especially as you make assumptions and statements, refuse to back them and then play the high and mighty 99 year old or 9 year old.

Think about it and if that does not help at the tender age of 99 then try reading you posts followed by more keyboard SILENCE.

Anoushirvan

listen brother dnt fool urself and others ..

look the thread and dnt take uturns for proving ur baseless theories with illogical fallacies..

you first claimed Jannat(paradise) is on earth..and then you gave refference of that jannat in 3974

Are you really that dumb, blind and deaf, or is it a new game you are trying to play ?

Paradise is the land where there are Gardens (jannat), i.e. the land of the spiritual conditions where the (intellectual) fruits can grow, i.e. human culture and intelligence (called jinn in Quran) can develop above confusion.

I've never changed what I said about it. Don't provide false claims about what I said because of your lack of understanding.

yes according to you it reffers to immigration officers becoz your paradise is on earth.. isnt it..

You are among the people who don't ponder.

another logical fallacy and thanks you soooooooooooooooo much for letting us know that you are the one who dnt actually beleive in quran..

As usual, you are in total confusion here I don't believe in your understanding of Quran (as well as you don't believe in mind).

nothing is taken from any jewish scriptures..

You are really among the people who don't ponder.

255 And they said "Fictional tales of old! He wrote them down while they were being dictated to him morning and evening."

(this verse truly indicates you are also one of them if i am not wrong?)

Same, you are in total spiritual confusion here.

It is YOU who believes they are fictional tales of the old.
Because you actually don't believe in the teaching of these stories. You believe you are not concerned any more since you believe in Quran.
If you really did understand in the spiritual teaching of these stories, you wouldn't stay in such a spiritual confusion.

You believe that you believe, but you actually don't.

Please make the steps to clear your mind or go back to sunnism.

i actually need to ask from you one thing
about this proverb "wolf in sheep cloth" what are the origins of this proverb, i asked one of my friend and he told me its from SWEDEN , is it true.. becoz i dnt have much knowledge of proverbs..

Dunno I'm not Swedish.

Anoushirvan

So you spread hate and refuse to respond to rebuttals of it?

You are not very clear to understand, you keep shouting and barking, is that you call a rebuttal ?

You have said you want the non-white Muslim nations to be invaded because they are weak minded pigs who are not equal with your angelic Europeans and Israelis.
Read your posts if you care to?

No, what I really want is a wall that keeps the free world out of those Gogs that spread corruption on Earth.
I don't mind if they spread corruption in their Hell but not by us.

so you like to talk about Muslims being weak-minded pigs who deserve to be invaded? Let me see..... because you think they are not equal to Europeans?

But when they manage to climb the wall and spread corruption, yes, we have no other choice.

To blindly let your nations invade other nations illegally because you think other nations deserve to be invaded because they are weak?
You man like Saudi Arabia which is bankrolled by Europe and the US?
You man Saudi Arabia that keeps its women oppressed and invades regional countries thanks to it being propped up by Western arms?

Please get some book to learn how to read. I didn't mention Saudi Arabia.

You have said Muslims are not equal with Europeans and so Muslim nations deserve to be invaded and that Muslim nations are hell. You call Muslims pigs and donkeys.

Strange that you mention donkeys, because I've never used the word donkeys, but the words apes, pigs and cattle. Sure, donkeys are among cattle, but you probably unconsciously thought about this verse in Quran

625 The example of those who were given the Torah, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of the people who denied the revelations of God. And God does not guide the wicked people.

So probably you begin to see the light, so it is useful to discuss with me. Because if we replace Torah by Quran

The example of those who were given the Quran, but then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey that is carrying a cargo of books. Miserable indeed is the example of the people who denied the revelations of God. And God does not guide the wicked people.

you will see it perfectly describe the religion of the Muslims.

What does that have to do with equality of women when you say that Europeans and Muslims are not equal.

Could you kindly try to focus?

Again equal in what ?

So the Quran says that Europeans should invade Muslim nations because Muslims are pigs as you say? or weak minded as you say?
That is the rant of a racist - you have been called out.

You clearly don't understand Quran. Quran says that when you do this action, then you get that consequence by immuable law (sunna) of Allah.
Action and reaction, cause and effect.
You follow the path of Satan, you go the Hell.

It is like you remove the pillars that sustain the roof, then by God's law, i.e. gravity, the roof falls on you.

It's clear that according to criteria (al-furqan) given in Quran, Muslims, at some point of their history (around 10th century) have started to follow the path of Satan.
Worse they have been following the Taghut, i.e. Satan that tries to impersonate Allah.
As a consequence of the sunna of Allah they have found themselves weak.

On the other hand, Europeans have rejected the path of Taghut, since two centuries, except during WWI and WWII.
As a consequence of the sunna of Allah, they have found themselves strong, even if they don't uphold the Quran.
As soon as they tried to follow the path of the Taghut, they also felt in Hell, during WWI and WWII.

savage_carrot

It's clear that according to criteria (al-furqan) given in Quran, Muslims, at some point of their history (around 10th century) have started to follow the path of Satan.
Worse they have been following the Taghut, i.e. Satan that tries to impersonate Allah.
As a consequence of the sunna of Allah they have found themselves weak.

What makes you think you know the difference between a trial and punishment? Only Allah knows, you do not. You are currently on par with sectarians claiming that natural disasters are a consequence of the sins of the dead. Allah tells us in the Quran about particular people and what transpired. You are not the Quran personified and neither are you an authorized spokesman for Allah unless you wish to claim that from here on out.

On the other hand, Europeans have rejected the path of Taghut, since two centuries, except during WWI and WWII.
As a consequence of the sunna of Allah, they have found themselves strong, even if they don't uphold the Quran.
As soon as they tried to follow the path of the Taghut, they also felt in Hell, during WWI and WWII.
The broad brushstrokes painting a continent full of diverse countries, peoples and politics...all good. Blessed by Allah no less. It's like you're deliberately living in some sort of bubble where the vast amounts of 'Taghut' on record just didn't happen and by them. Now you're on par with some groupie of the Pharaoh thinking that Moses and his followers were weak and cursed by whatever powers that be, while the Pharoah is strong and the very epitome of the universe blessing him due to the position he held. That Muhammad and his followers were cursed and the idolators were in the right because surely everyone can see they have the power not a rag tag bunch of crazies? Might is right. Given time things change, the cycle repeats itself and the waves continue. There can be a lot of wrong done in our estimation by any party but there is a reason why we don't gauge by asinine things like he's so rich and successful, surely he must be on the right path. Everyone living in his house connected to him must be similarly blessed. This is definitely what the Quran is talking about! Somehow they fell or felt in Hell but straight away as the wars ended, they were back to being the good ones? Absolutely nothing else they did that had lasting ramifications for the world at large (not them) makes a dent in their shiny armor.

I consider opinions like this short sighted with a lack of consideration of factors involved. There is a reason we should be cautious. Not just regarding interpretation but regarding emphatic judgements and those that proclaim/espouse them.