Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Users
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Free Minds Forum Icon
  1. Home
  2. Community Needs
  3. Women's Issues
  4. For Men Only !

For Men Only !

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Women's Issues
22 Posts 6 Posters 720 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • G Offline
    G Offline
    good_logic
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    For men only? Brother ,change the title to "For your eyes only"!!!!

    As far as I know both gender can be what you describe ,not only women. Yes, it depends on the eyes, look deep into someone s eyes and you get your type of person.

    For example,sisters,huruf, es, maha,reel,...and others I came across here( including most of the brothers) must have gentle eyes and I will certainly trust that they are as honest as a person can get.Or do you disagree brother?

    OK ,so I did not look into their eyes,but you get what I am saying.

    We always fall into the trap of gender,sex,race,...etc. regardless of what GOD says about the "person"/human.

    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • I Offline
      I Offline
      imrankhawaja
      wrote on last edited by
      #5

      i remember a song on the lyrics "for your eyes only"

      (indian version)
      (english version)
      group

      A must watch song on eye to eye

      plz let me know about the last link if u guys succesfully manage to watch it till end -X

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • H Offline
        H Offline
        huruf
        wrote on last edited by
        #6

        For men only? Brother ,change the title to "For your eyes only"!!!!

        As far as I know both gender can be what you describe ,not only women. Yes, it depends on the eyes, look deep into someone s eyes and you get your type of person.

        For example,sisters,huruf, es, maha,reel,...and others I came across here( including most of the brothers) must have gentle eyes and I will certainly trust that they are as honest as a person can get.Or do you disagree brother?

        OK ,so I did not look into their eyes,but you get what I am saying.

        We always fall into the trap of gender,sex,race,...etc. regardless of what GOD says about the "person"/human.

        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

        Thnk you, good logic, for the good words for some of us ladies of the forum.
        As usual, dscussion or not, you bring things back to reality and not mental set ups or games. Each one is each one, there is no personality shared by a collection. This kind of categorisations remind me of some people who think that animals do have a soul but it is a single soul for the whole species, like all dogs share in the same soul. If anything I would have thought that my dog, even if in a very subtle way, the way they do things, would share in my soul. I think I have soul enough for both of us, no need for him to partake in a hundredmillionth of dogsoul.

        Whatever. I m sure my dog is quite sure of who he is and that he is he and not part of a greater person nor of a collection of persons. If he does, I figure I also can. I have his waw waw for it, and he seems absolutely convinced.

        Salaam

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • P Offline
          P Offline
          parvez_mushtaq
          wrote on last edited by
          #7

          You've made quite a generalisation there, Mushtaq bhai.

          yes,you are correct .i have made quite a generalization but generally from teen age girls to grandma they all use men .submissive women wants to became dominant and dominant women will become independent ,in this course male became their ladder

          For men only? Brother ,change the title to "For your eyes only"!!!!

          lol, i am not james bond ,bro

          As far as I know both gender can be what you describe ,not only women. Yes, it depends on the eyes, look deep into someone s eyes and you get your type of person.

          of course bro .they are equal

          For example,sisters,huruf, es, maha,reel,...and others I came across here( including most of the brothers) must have gentle eyes and I will certainly trust that they are as honest as a person can get.Or do you disagree brother?

          i agree with you bro
          i am not talking about social life rather my focus is about the domestic life .i want to discuss the real practical Islam .one day , i strongly believe we will have life outside of this forum .i have seen lot of domestic cases which come for counseling and each time men counterpart is blamed and an undue advantage is always given to female .each time, before these cases they perform two rakka salah and read this verse
          Verse 4.135
          O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort or refuse , then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.

          but they always end the case with favoritism that too in a diplomatic way

          OK ,so I did not look into their eyes,but you get what I am saying.

          i understand bro .but the first weakness of men are woman and they are very well aware of it .i don't know what is the weakness of women ,if you have a verse pl quote

          We always fall into the trap of gender,sex,race,...etc. regardless of what GOD says about the "person"/human.

          brother you forget some important stories ...

          whats about the wives of prophet , when somebody informed something to prophet ..(possible disobeyment of prophet)

          exactly bro

          you might have noticed the last line of my article

          i have deliberately left lot of verses which portray the real nature of women because ,i feel i not eligible to talk about those verses

          i cannot include these verses in my article because my brethren might not like it ,they may misinterpret but we can discuss those verses

          as per article ,it is evident females are/were not sooooo innocent and you also agreed that it suits to both the gender .let me quote those verses here
          Verse 33.28
          O Prophet, say to your wives, "If you should desire the worldly life and its adornment, then come, I will provide for you and give you a gracious release.
          Verse 33.29
          But if you should desire Allah and His Messenger and the home of the Hereafter - then indeed, Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a great reward."

          can you tell me what is the hikma of this verse and also read surah tahrim why there was a stern warning to the wives of the prophets from the almighty
          Verse 66.05
          Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you , would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting , believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - previously married and virgins.

          and also why the responsibility is given to man in the verse
          Verse 66.06
          O you who have believed, protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, over which are angels, harsh and severe; they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them but do what they are commanded.

          just imagine , even the prophet was not spared by women
          can you explain these verses ,bro

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • P Offline
            P Offline
            parvez_mushtaq
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            Thnk you, good logic, for the good words for some of us ladies of the forum.
            Salaam

            even i never said anything bad about women , huruf
            Insha ALLAH this thread will move in a quite a fruitful outcome .i am very well aware that non of my female colleagues here will like this thread because , females are always used to listen good things about them , like motherhood, women sacrifice ....etc
            i know this is a delicate issue ,insha ALLAH we will do justice to this thread as per the verse 4.135

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • E Offline
              E Offline
              es
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              Your generalisations on the human race are quite bleak. By your deductions, women are horrendous creatures and men are docile. Your position is quite an extreme one and seems to come from a place of ineffectualness.

              Good Logic, thank you for the endorsement!

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • I Offline
                I Offline
                imrankhawaja
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                and more over i have one more verse to share let me know why marry say this thing?
                1923 Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree. She said "I wish I had died before this, and became totally forgotten!"

                why she ask such a thing ? when gabi give her glad tidings of a blessed son?

                if this thing was in bukhari people will not even think for a second to reject this but what we do with this statement which is already in quran..? and mother mary is not a random women she is catagorised as the best of womens. hmm

                so guys i think i have to manage the answer of this thing by myself , the purpose of asking this question was just to let you guys think about it..

                the background of this question, few days ago i was watching a video clip in which some people ask questions from a traditional muslim regarding bukhari hadith and events

                one question was..

                prophet muhammad try to do suicide upon the first revelation ?

                he gave the answer by quoting this verse regarding maryum.. 19 23

                why she was thinking about killing herself.. ?
                moreover he add this event is in quran thats why people did not ask question,
                whereas if this event was mentioned in bukhari people will gona reject it in second..

                in the end he himself said the hadith is weak regarding the suicide

                so according to my findings..
                human nature is stressful , either its a field of game , or the problems of life, preaching the nation , or giving sacrifice
                human get tensed and worried and also until human heart not get satisfied he keep wandering .. (and God is well aware about it)

                and in our daily life when we get distress or tired we often say in our plain language ,, "oh i m dead".. or if we have to encounter something difficult in our community we usually say i wish to die before this happen
                in case of exam failure or a huge loss of life saving money ...

                so marry just said it , becoz she was about to give a birth without help of anybody , she was not un-appreciative of giving birth , she was worried about the pain and food ..it appear she was talking with herself..

                so next verses make it clear that dnt get sad marry , there is a provision for you from your God.. obviously God provide to whosoever he wish without any count..

                another example of stressful situation is when God advise prophet muhammad not to worry at all like companion of fish

                6848 (O Prophet) go ahead steadfastly in establishing your Lord?s command. And be not like him (Jonah) of the fish who cried out in distress.

                in next verse it makes it more clear

                6851 Those who deny the truth, attack you (O Prophet) with their eyes when they hear the Reminder. And they say, "He is a madman."

                although there were other questions too what this traditional person bring forward in reply of unscientific hadith

                like he said the event of adam's son when one kill another the "raven" dig a grave which is unscientific so if this thing was in bukhari people will reject it without thinking for a second.

                all other questions i will address them in due time .. sometimes i ask difficult questions just that all of us think it will be Good to have a grip of stating all things according to the knowledge provided to us by God..

                may God bless you all..

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • I Offline
                  I Offline
                  imrankhawaja
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  lol, i am not james bond ,bro

                  just curious to know what does it mean? confused

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • P Offline
                    P Offline
                    parvez_mushtaq
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    Your generalisations on the human race are quite bleak.

                    Do you think i wrote an essay on women.i have given all the verses from the Quran .if you think my perception is wrong than give your opinion ,why i am wrong .i am open .it is Quran ,the ultimate .with whole heart i will just accept your opinion if it is correct .

                    By your deductions, women are horrendous creatures and men are docile. Your position is quite an extreme one and seems to come from a place of ineffectualness.

                    sorry ,correction pl
                    i said they have a upper hand upon men which our macho men never realize .They royally rule men and he is not even aware of it .

                    Surely if she marries him, it just gives her a license to manipulate him and become "dominant" and "independent" herself. Are you really encouraging such behaviour.

                    lol,don't you realized ,he is already in her web.she could not tolerate salafis but on the other hand she says he is tolerating her and of course every man loves to get used by the women and loved to do that beautiful mistake again and again and again......

                    http//www.bollywoodhunts.com/images/initiative/initiative541x720(banner-26).jpg
                    lol the real joke is ,our breather over there are giving a very ,very bad advice,asking her not to marry him .they claim ,they are quranist yet they cannot tolerate sects whereas ,quran condones inter religious marriages as well as religions .this is the limit of fanaticism .day by day we are becoming like salafis or worst than salafis .
                    i have seen all sects ,everyone wants to prove the supremacy of his sect yet they very clearly knew it the GOD who judges all sects/religions .freemiders are no exception .
                    no one wants to work on bring all sects to one rather everyone wants to open the gap wide among them .i had a plan but again ,no one is with me ....same sectarian effect

                    BTW , i am waiting for your opinion .again ,By ALLAH subhanavatala ,if you can prove my perception about the verses are wrong ,i am ready to accept your opinion

                    in short ,the story so far is ...
                    1.women are the first weakness of men and women very well aware of it
                    2.but men and women can plan but women have the advantage of point no 1 over men
                    3.our macho man thinks he is dominating his partner but the realty is our macho man is ruled by his women and of course every man loves it
                    4.problems escalates when men gets effected by their women otherwise ,our macho man never realize it

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • V Offline
                      V Offline
                      virginia
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      Surah 3 Aya 14
                      Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return.

                      Peace,

                      Look again at 314 and take into account the "for the people", not only for men.

                      so their plan and its execution is much more cunning than a male .planning ?..It reminds me about a verse about the planning of women

                      All the rest of your post seems to me a very Eve-convincing-Adam-to-eat-the-apple reading... Not a quranic approach of male/female natures at all.

                      Observe 6610 to 6611, God puts forth 4 examples of women 2 rejecters and 2 believers, not an unbalanced account in favour of snake-listeners and male-manipulator beings.

                      God bless you all

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • H Offline
                        H Offline
                        huruf
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        To say tht women are used to being talked about nicely is really ashtonishing and could only come wither from a woman who thinks that women are eil and the worst enemies of women or from men who see as normal that women are spoken ill of and therefore only notice the speech about women when it says something nice.

                        Because simply that nice speech aobut women being common or the most often is simply not tru.

                        nd this maniulating and ruling in the shadows without men noticing I do nto consider a compliment but an acknowledment that in fact women cannot get ahead by being sincere and being themseles because they willb e eaten alive and therefore the only way for them is being manipulative. That is an assessment of what is wrong with people, and not an acknowledgemnt of the rel nature of women, which does nto exist, because women are people, that is each person different fromt he other person, although, like men if they are hungry they will want to eat and all the rest.

                        This outlook is sick, humilliating for women and also for men, because the picture it draws of them is that they cannot live with reality and therefore they have to be given a lie that flatters them, a lie that some women must accept or do accept because they hae learnt to behae like that but that many other women cannot stand and makes them very unhappy. Many men cannot stand that lie either.

                        As to the nice speech about women, that is what is usually called paying lip service. Yes we tell you nice things, but then keep quiet and be happy with what youget because we know all the speeches and the nice speech can change quite quicly into not at all nice speech, let alone the acts.

                        This kind of mentality about the realtion between the sexes is a shamandinfantilizes both women and men. It is not the character of a noble society such as the Qur'an sets us for a model.

                        The Qur'an speaks of friendship, loyalty sincerity, and not of appearances ans shams. Women and men should be loyal,sincere, humble, unimposing, straight and women should be sincerley honoured as such by men and also by other women and neither men nor women e treated like bnot treated like gullible idiots.

                        A man that need to be lied to in order to be happy... no thank you. That may do for some time before males or females are grown up.

                        I know of muslim women, converts and others who play along the apparent submissiveness and then on the back of their husbands speak of them like shit, nd I find that despicable, that is not loyalty nor comradeship, nor noble.
                        I suppose some of those husbands must be satisfied they've got themsleves so ever submissive muslim women... Others not so, they would rather have "normal" wives, which do not play submissivenes and don't manipulate, but are straight.

                        As to the Queen of Saba, she was not manipulative, obviously, she was straight, she was simply inteligent, like many males who choose intelligence rather than violence. Intelligence is not the same as manipulation. There are mani manipulators who are intelligent at all. Dealings between females and males, whatever the relatinship, should always be honourable and respectful, not games to see who gets away with what.

                        Salaam

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • I Offline
                          I Offline
                          imrankhawaja
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          everybody have to play their cards when its required.. either male or female..

                          sometimes a women get affected by those cards
                          sometimes a man get affected by those cards..

                          so the real person is the one who holding strong cards but play their cards with (LOVE) not as a power device..

                          true love is the only thing that change the condition of people..

                          story goes further some people could not grow love within themselves and when there is no love there is no security of relationship.. so the symbol of love in the shape of kids weak the "self" of individual..

                          in some most unlucky cases nothing works , not cards, not love, not kids just selfishness or a evil nature of an individual..

                          NOTE (there are some people exist(male & female) who just come in this world to disturb other person and they will destroy everybody's happiness)

                          these are the worst of creature and intrestingly they are bad in their every relation
                          example a bad father is also a bad son,bad brother, bad husband... and a bad neighbor...

                          same goes with bad mother

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • E Offline
                            E Offline
                            es
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            Salaam,

                            Do you think i wrote an essay on women.i have given all the verses from the Quran .if you think my perception is wrong than give your opinion ,why i am wrong .i am open .it is Quran ,the ultimate .with whole heart i will just accept your opinion if it is correct .sorry ,correction pl
                            i said they have a upper hand upon men which our macho men never realize .They royally rule men and he is not even aware of it .
                            lol,don't you realized ,he is already in her web.she could not tolerate salafis but on the other hand she says he is tolerating her and of course every man loves to get used by the women and loved to do that beautiful mistake again and again and again......

                            http//www.bollywoodhunts.com/images/initiative/initiative541x720(banner-26).jpg
                            lol the real joke is ,our breather over there are giving a very ,very bad advice,asking her not to marry him .they claim ,they are quranist yet they cannot tolerate sects whereas ,quran condones inter religious marriages as well as religions .this is the limit of fanaticism .day by day we are becoming like salafis or worst than salafis .
                            i have seen all sects ,everyone wants to prove the supremacy of his sect yet they very clearly knew it the GOD who judges all sects/religions .freemiders are no exception .
                            no one wants to work on bring all sects to one rather everyone wants to open the gap wide among them .i had a plan but again ,no one is with me ....same sectarian effect

                            BTW , i am waiting for your opinion .again ,By ALLAH subhanavatala ,if you can prove my perception about the verses are wrong ,i am ready to accept your opinion

                            in short ,the story so far is ...
                            1.women are the first weakness of men and women very well aware of it
                            2.but men and women can plan but women have the advantage of point no 1 over men
                            3.our macho man thinks he is dominating his partner but the realty is our macho man is ruled by his women and of course every man loves it
                            4.problems escalates when men gets effected by their women otherwise ,our macho man never realize it

                            In theory, it's a great idea that I would spend my precious time to refute your perception of women. Fortunately, I have nor time or desire to do so. If you have such a low opinion of women, and this is what you have garnered during your life so far, then it is your perogative.

                            Take care.

                            Salaam.

                            Sajda.

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • P Offline
                              P Offline
                              parvez_mushtaq
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #17

                              Peace,

                              .....
                              All the rest of your post seems to me a very Eve-convincing-Adam-to-eat-the-apple reading... Not a quranic approach of male/female natures at all.

                              read the title first ,i have to justify the title , it is "For Men Only "

                              Observe 6610 to 6611, God puts forth 4 examples of women 2 rejecters and 2 believers, not an unbalanced account in favour of snake-listeners and male-manipulator beings.

                              God bless you all

                              is that example for is men or for women only
                              Btw , you have given me one more proof about the women .
                              Verse 289
                              And the wife of Pharaoh said, " a comfort of the eye for me and for you. Do not kill him; perhaps he may benefit us, or we may adopt him as a son." And they perceived not.

                              See , even a tyrant can ruled by a woman ,you take it as a compliment or a complaint ,whatever

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • P Offline
                                P Offline
                                parvez_mushtaq
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #18

                                Thanks Huruf for giving such a balanced answer .i wish i could present you a laptop because i know you suffering with that old machine for along time .i can figure out you have given a nice post ,but i will answer only those which i can thoroughly understand .pl forgive me for that

                                To say tht women are used to being talked about nicely is really ashtonishing and could only come wither from a woman who thinks that women are eil and the worst enemies of women or from men who see as normal that women are spoken ill of and therefore only notice the speech about women when it says something nice.

                                Because simply that nice speech aobut women being common or the most often is simply not tru.

                                nd this maniulating and ruling in the shadows without men noticing I do nto consider a compliment but an acknowledment that in fact women cannot get ahead by being sincere and being themseles because they willb e eaten alive and therefore the only way for them is being manipulative. That is an assessment of what is wrong with people, and not an acknowledgemnt of the rel nature of women, which does nto exist, because women are people, that is each person different fromt he other person, although, like men if they are hungry they will want to eat and all the rest.

                                This outlook is sick, humilliating for women and also for men, because the picture it draws of them is that they cannot live with reality and therefore they have to be given a lie that flatters them, a lie that some women must accept or do accept because they hae learnt to behae like that but that many other women cannot stand and makes them very unhappy. Many men cannot stand that lie either.

                                As to the nice speech about women, that is what is usually called paying lip service. Yes we tell you nice things, but then keep quiet and be happy with what youget because we know all the speeches and the nice speech can change quite quicly into not at all nice speech, let alone the acts.

                                This kind of mentality about the realtion between the sexes is a shamandinfantilizes both women and men. It is not the character of a noble society such as the Qur'an sets us for a model.

                                i could not understand this part ,but it sounds very interesting ,can you re post it with correction

                                The Qur'an speaks of friendship, loyalty sincerity, and not of appearances ans shams. Women and men should be loyal,sincere, humble, unimposing, straight and women should be sincerley honoured as such by men and also by other women and neither men nor women e treated like bnot treated like gullible idiots.

                                True ,

                                Verse 30.21
                                And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.

                                The problem arises when one among them thinks he/she can make him/her a gullible idiot .you are correct

                                I know of muslim women, converts and others who play along the apparent submissiveness and then on the back of their husbands speak of them like shit, nd I find that despicable, that is not loyalty nor comradeship, nor noble.
                                I suppose some of those husbands must be satisfied they've got themsleves so ever submissive muslim women... Others not so, they would rather have "normal" wives, which do not play submissivenes and don't manipulate, but are straight.

                                Very beautiful , Huruf
                                this is the best part in your post .you have just exposed your maturity ,unlike others .i dont know about your place , but in India ,this is very common .this is a devil's workshop .i really cannot figure out how women manage to live with a guy who they hate the most .
                                it usually occurs in a gathering ,each one complaining about their husbands .if that gathering consists of all class of women ,namely , submissive ,dominant and independent ,then ,take my word , few of them are going to have a big fight with their husbands after that gathering.
                                All the rules were broken , pride at rampage ,jealousy is common ,back biting starts and they almost slander their husbands .
                                if few among them take this discussion seriously ,then that poor man is gong to suffer .

                                As to the Queen of Saba, she was not manipulative, obviously, she was straight, she was simply inteligent, like many males who choose intelligence rather than violence. Intelligence is not the same as manipulation. There are mani manipulators who are intelligent at all. Dealings between females and males, whatever the relatinship, should always be honourable and respectful, not games to see who gets away with what.

                                Salaam

                                I never said ,Queen of saba was manipulative ,rather she was the best .an ability which is rare among men

                                It is evident from the above verse that a woman can rule a nation at par like man .interestingly, that woman ruler is much more diplomatic than a man because if it was a male ruler he would have immediately declared war but this woman, makes a decision to allure him and of course she knew the weakness of men which is as per Quran

                                it may sound manipulative ,because i brought that verse .i thought it was right time to bring that verse there .if you think i was projecting queen of saba as manipulative than i must say ,i am wrong

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • V Offline
                                  V Offline
                                  virginia
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #19

                                  Peace D

                                  read the title first ,i have to justify the title , it is "For Men Only "is that example for is men or for women only

                                  On the women's issues section confused

                                  Btw , you have given me one more proof about the women .
                                  Verse 289
                                  And the wife of Pharaoh said, " a comfort of the eye for me and for you. Do not kill him; perhaps he may benefit us, or we may adopt him as a son." And they perceived not.

                                  See , even a tyrant can ruled by a woman ,you take it as a compliment or a complaint ,whatever

                                  What proof have I given?
                                  Which woman having a chat with her husband is ruling there?

                                  confused

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • P Offline
                                    P Offline
                                    parvez_mushtaq
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #20

                                    Peace D
                                    On the women's issues section confused

                                    Do you any suggestion

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • P Offline
                                      P Offline
                                      parvez_mushtaq
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #21

                                      ......
                                      ...............
                                      ......................

                                      As to the Queen of Saba, she was not manipulative, obviously, she was straight, she was simply inteligent, like many males who choose intelligence rather than violence. Intelligence is not the same as manipulation. There are mani manipulators who are intelligent at all. Dealings between females and males, whatever the relatinship, should always be honourable and respectful, not games to see who gets away with what.

                                      Salaam

                                      I have modified my article here ,Huruf

                                      I will reproduce here for you , huruf

                                      Verse 27.28
                                      Take this letter of mine and deliver it to them. Then leave them and see what
                                      they will return.?
                                      Verse 27.29
                                      She said, ?O eminent ones, indeed, to me has been delivered a noble letter.
                                      Verse 27.30
                                      Indeed, it is from Solomon, and indeed, it reads ?In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful,
                                      Verse 27.31
                                      Be not haughty with me but come to me in submission .? ?
                                      Verse 27.32
                                      She said, ?O eminent ones, advise me in my affair. I would not decide a matter until you witness me.?
                                      Verse 27.33
                                      They said, ?We are men of strength and of great military might, but the command is yours, so see what you will command.?
                                      Verse 27.34
                                      She said, ?Indeed kings ? when they enter a city, they ruin it and render the honored of its people humbled. And thus do they do.
                                      Verse 27.35
                                      But indeed, I will send to them a gift and see with what the messengers will return.?

                                      It is evident from the above verse that a woman can rule a nation at par like man .interestingly, that woman ruler is much more diplomatic than a man because if it was a male ruler he would have immediately declared war but this woman, makes a decision to allure him and gives a very wise reason for that

                                      Surah 3 Aya 14
                                      Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire ? of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return.

                                      Every one among us might have experienced bucket full of dramas from woman .if you are married and have kids, they use our kids as lethal weapon against us. So their plan and its execution is much more cunning than a male .planning ?..It reminds me about a verse about the planning of women

                                      i sincerely thank you for reminding me ,huruf .i have modified it also .

                                      Further,

                                      In the heavenly book, the universal statement, the Quran which addresses all the problems of human race gives a clear statement about women .ponder upon these verses

                                      Verse 33.28

                                      O Prophet, say to your wives, ?If you should desire the worldly life and its adornment, then come, I will provide for you and give you a gracious release.

                                      Verse 33.29

                                      But if you should desire Allah and His Messenger and the home of the Hereafter ? then indeed, Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a great reward.?

                                      Verse 66.05

                                      Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you , would substitute for him wives better than you ? submitting , believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling ? previously married and virgins.

                                      Can anyone tell me what the hikma of these verses is?

                                      Why Quran is so stern about the wives of our prophet

                                      Finally

                                      Quran is making a very good example by giving the parables of two good women and two bad in the verses, these verses are especially for ladies

                                      Verse 66.10

                                      Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, ?Enter the Fire with those who enter.?

                                      Verse 66.11

                                      And Allah presents an example of those who believed the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, ?My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people.?

                                      Verse 66.12

                                      And Mary, the daughter of ?Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

                                      Mushtaq

                                      It was the outcome of this discussion .i cannot do it here so i did on my site

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • P Offline
                                        P Offline
                                        parvez_mushtaq
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #22

                                        Salaam,
                                        In theory, it's a great idea that I would spend my precious time to refute your perception of women. Fortunately, I have nor time or desire to do so. If you have such a low opinion of women, and this is what you have garnered during your life so far, then it is your perogative.

                                        Take care.

                                        Salaam.

                                        Sajda.

                                        How can you refute Quran .divorce is very common now. lot of men don't believe in marriages .there is no tranquility in marriages .it is more like compromise .there is no submission in love .
                                        BTW ,what you think about these statements

                                        • wife taking care of her in laws (fatwa)
                                        • men supposed to spend on wife ,only if she make herself available (fatwa)
                                          -Wife giving zakat to her husband (fatwa)

                                        do you think these type of fatwas can unite husband and wife .no man will ever think that his wife or his children are a separate entity .i believe home is a one unit
                                        this is the real Islam which is the part of this world now,pl don't tell me we will never get effected by these fatwas

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        Reply
                                        • Reply as topic
                                        Log in to reply
                                        • Oldest to Newest
                                        • Newest to Oldest
                                        • Most Votes


                                        • Login

                                        • Don't have an account? Register

                                        • Login or register to search.
                                        • First post
                                          Last post
                                        0
                                        • Categories
                                        • Recent
                                        • Users