Something thought provoking
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Now yesterday i had a conversation with a quranist and he said Allah (SWT) is not God but is The Creator of Heavens, Earth and Mankind. He also said that you cannot get God from which makes me not sure if he is correct about it and he also said that the word God has pagan origin, he showed me a picture to prove his point
Here is the picture https//scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424284_10209442930254605_5371361913832599540_n.jpg?oh=a449942d890e95c0b166a54766d355d8&oe=59C85468
Just letting you know my fellow siblings of Mankind is that i dont believe his correct but it made me think about alot.
To me its interesting but also caught me off guard if i say that correctly.
What do you think
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nyody can get nything out of any words old of new y he or she searches for looks aike, particularly in lnguages that you do not know and do not even glimpse how they could pronnounced.
But the overriding question is tht God is not a word, when we spek about god we are not speaking about words, if reallywe want to speak about God, but bout concepts, and the fact is tht in Arabic the concept God is rendered by llah just as it is so in Spanish with Dios. No matter whether some give trinity to it or not or whether there are full panteons of "dioses" in greek or roman mithology.
Tht kind of "research", let me laugh, is silly playing with words and would be knowlegeableness. It is empty blbber.
And when you read the Qur'an you know what it is talking about without the shadow of a doubt.
That kind of silly gmes can be played with anything. Tke mther. What could we do with that word in Arabic. Plenty of play... for nothing. We all know what we mean when we talk about mother.
By the way, that "insight" into "God" has been around for a long time.
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I found this topic but i dont know if this is on this topic but im going to link it here https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608285.0
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Peace The Sardar.
Like huruf said,you get many "versions" of "Allah" not being the word "God" or you cannot translate "Allah"...etc like this site for example
http//message-of-god.com/For me the word "God" if it means the creator and sustainer of all that exist,is fine .the versions Allah,Dieu,GOD...etc are just different languages to me.. So it is not that much thought provoking or shirk like some claim.
GOD,Allah,Dieu... are all the same "good "words for the Creator like Alrahman,Alrahim...etc.It is nitpicking by people to be honest?
My view .
GOD bless you.
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Peace The Sardar.
Like huruf said,you get many "versions" of "Allah" not being the word "God" or you cannot translate "Allah"...etc like this site for example
http//message-of-god.com/For me the word "God" if it means the creator and sustainer of all that exist,is fine .the versions Allah,Dieu,GOD...etc are just different languages to me.. So it is not that much thought provoking or shirk like some claim.
GOD,Allah,Dieu... are all the same "good "words for the Creator like Alrahman,Alrahim...etc.It is nitpicking by people to be honest?
My view .
GOD bless you.
Peace.I agree with you, to my point isnt God the highest of highest for our Beloved Unbegotten Creator who is not bound by anything at all. Allah (SWT) does not need us but we need our Lord of the Worlds/Universe (SWT). Its best that we serve our Creator through good deeds so people can be inspired to do their service to our Lord by helping the weak, the poor, the needy and the opressed. To me that is extremely important.
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Indeed, the rahmaan the rahyim, like the rahim (womb) I came to understand it really, as I feel I undestand it now, through the aztec religion. Their tenet, fundamental, is that we, the whole creation is made out of God's rahma, which comes ike when we spek about the new being, which is made out of the woman's body. Rahim, we depend of God because we consist of his rahma, that is what we, eerything is made of, and the Rabb, is the sustainer, the one who sustains and maintains what He created. So Rabb is not "The" name of God, but one of his names. And that is why ar-rahman, ar-rahim, is our link, our relationship with God. When we really feel and are always conscious of that we mus be grateful, because we are and continue being because we are made of his rahma and maintained by His name of Rabb. As pinted out int he Qur'an, if God did not sustain us every single second we would cease to exist, everything would cease to exist.
Tha aztecs, that I know of, were the people most grateful to God, to the point that they many of them were willing to sacrifice themselves to God and still be so honoured and grateful. And their sense of human dignity was so deep because they were so grateful for the honour of bein created out of divine mercy and conscious or returning eventually to divine mercy, so they should respect themselves and not fall on shameful things, like lazyness, lack of compassion, lust...
Of course not all were virtuous, but there was enough social conscience of all this so that een through centuries afterwards you can feel the overwhelming consciousness of the diinity and the divine origin of man and everything.
nd if you look at it from the point of view of logic, if there was only God, and everything is created it cannot be created except out of God.
This to explain how I understand the terms rahma, rahmaan, rahyim, rahim, arham and rabb, and why God wants as to address him continually as ar-rahman, ar-rahim, rabb al 3alamin.
Salaam
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peace brother sardar,
perhaps it help understanding the nature of names and attributes
1240 "What you serve besides Him are nothing but names which you have fabricated you and your fathers. God did not send down any authority for such. The judgment is for none but God. He ordered that none be served but He. That is the true system, but most of the people do not know."
5922-24 He is God; there is no other god besides Him. Knower of all secrets and declarations. He is the Almighty, the Merciful.He is God; there is no other god besides Him. The King, the Holy, the Peace, the Faithful, the Supreme, the Noble, the Powerful, the Dignified. God be glorified; far above what they set up.He is God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.
God bless you
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peace brother sardar,
perhaps it help understanding the nature of names and attributes
1240 "What you serve besides Him are nothing but names which you have fabricated you and your fathers. God did not send down any authority for such. The judgment is for none but God. He ordered that none be served but He. That is the true system, but most of the people do not know."
5922-24 He is God; there is no other god besides Him. Knower of all secrets and declarations. He is the Almighty, the Merciful.He is God; there is no other god besides Him. The King, the Holy, the Peace, the Faithful, the Supreme, the Noble, the Powerful, the Dignified. God be glorified; far above what they set up.He is God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.
God bless you
Thank you brother Imran as i said to me Allah (SWT) is The Lord of the Worlds/Universe which make our Creator, that does mean Allah is The One True God and being a god is highest of the highest which makes Allah not bound by anything, has no limits and makes him truly independent.
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You left a lot of empty space huruf. ;D
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Peace The Sardar.
It is not a bad idea to answer with nothing but space.
I feel some are not reading the posts . It is like speaking to walls most of the time.
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You tell them the Messenger only delivers and follows the message. They do not read your post and pretend that the messenger had the hadiths from day 1 and made up volumes of books from the start !!!!You tell them GOD, Allah,Dieu...The creator ,it does not matter what you call the Lord just submit to His system and they do not read your post,they say you are blaspheming by calling Allah GOD!!!
You tell them do not commit adultery,do not take slaves,there is no sex with slaves and they do not read your post,they claim GOD contradicts and abrogates His words!!!!
You tell them fine they are entitled to their views and choices and they do not read your posts ,they just paste nonsense to you and ask you to prove every word of yours!!!!
Never mind brother,it is better to answer them with lots of space. They may read it and ask you to explain it.!!!!
Sister huruf has given me a brilliant idea. GOD bless you sister.
GOD bless you brother too.
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I agree with you. I forgot to mention though the quranist claim about pagan origin of word God. He said it has heathen Germanic origin. As i said im not sure if he correct 100%. (Not saying i agree with him.) If someone could research it i would be grateful.
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Thankk you the Sardar, for liking my generosity with space. I didn't even know it myself. It sneaked in the post probably wanting to be noticed. Because you see, space is only missed when there is not any. But when there is plenty it hs no way of making himself noticed. So now we know there is space. Let us give it a big applause.
Taling bout noticing, I understandi? your frustration. Some people they just carry on as if they were deaf or could not read. Never mind. There may be others whom we do not notice and may find something useful. nd we do learn. Not everyday, not wonders every day, but we do learn. So everything is fine. And sometimes there is even humour.
Salaam
Salaam
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Not exactly frustrated, more like confused.
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Peace huruf ,The Sardar.
More humour with empty space
DOCTOR' Considering the weak state of your eyes, I would suggest it would be good for you to gaze into empty space.'
good logic' Thank you, Doc. I shall log in into free minds forum.
GOD bless you both.
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There was a another quranist said something that got me very confused, he was not speaking to me by the way, he said that is shirk to believe that Allah is God. I was like what how?, is it being a God highest of the highest (Most High), independent, almighty, also being the Creator & Lord of the Worlds. I didnt respond to him because he was already debating with someone else. To me it make no sense if its shirk to think that Allah (SWT) is God because i found this root word
Alif-Lam-ha = to serve, worship or adore; to protect, grant refuge, preserve save, rescue, liberate; object of worship ie God; (Alif-Lam-Lam-ha) God, the one true God applied as a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essences of existing things.
allahumma "O God!" 326, 5114, 832, 1010, 3946
allah
"there is no god but God" 2255, 32, 318, 362, 487, 208, 2014, 2098, 2726, 2870, 3735, 3865, 4719, 5922, 5923, 6413
"He is God, that is God" 63, 695, 3513, 396
"Belonging to God" 2115, 2142, 2284, 328, 3109, 3129, 3180, 4126, 4131, 4131, 4132, 4170, 612, 6136, 6136, 81, 841, 1055, 1066, 142, 2385, 2387, 2389, 2464, 3126, 484, 487, 5325, 5331, 5710, 597, 637
"By God" 1273, 1285, 1291, 1295, 1656, 1663, 2157, 2697, 3756
"With or from God; in God's sight" ('ind Allah) 279, 294, 2110, 2217, 2282, 314, 337, 378, 378, 3163, 3198, 3198, 478, 478, 494, 6124, 7131, 7187, 822, 828, 855, 919, 920, 922, 936, 999, 1446, 1695, 1696, 2413, 2415, 2461, 2747, 2860, 3039, 3353, 3363, 3369, 4035, 4152, 4236, 4610, 485, 613, 6211, 6415, 7320
"God is with" 940, 4735
"Apart from God" (dun Allah) 223, 364, 5116, 916, 931, 1018, 1037, 1843, 1981, 2724, 2881, 2925, 3674, 3786, 4074, 4628, 5358, 7125
"Other than God" (ghayr Allah) 2173, 482, 53, 614, 619, 640, 646, 6114, 6145, 6164, 7140, 1596, 1652, 16115, 1722, 1739, 2122, 2760, 2761, 2762, 2763, 2764, 2871, 2872, 353, 3964, 5026, 5151, 5243ilah n.m. (pl. alihah) 2133, 2133, 2133, 2163, 2163, 4171, 573, 619, 931, 1452, 1622, 1622, 1651, 18110, 18110, 2098, 21108, 21108, 2234, 2234, 2838, 2946, 2946, 374, 385, 4037, 416, 416, 4384, 4384, 1143
other (false) gods - 2163, 2255, 32, 36, 318, 318, 362, 487, 573, 5116, 619, 646, 674, 6102, 6106, 759, 765, 773, 785, 7127, 7138, 7138, 7140, 7158, 931, 9129, 1090, 1114, 1150, 1153, 1154, 1161, 1184, 11101, 1330, 1596, 162, 1651, 1722, 1739, 1742, 1814, 1815, 1946, 1981, 208, 2014, 2088, 2088, 2097, 2098, 2121, 2122, 2124, 2125, 2129, 2136, 2143, 2159, 2162, 2168, 2187, 2199, 2323, 2332, 2391, 2391, 23116, 23117, 253, 2542, 2543, 2568, 2629, 26213, 2726, 2760, 2761, 2762, 2763, 2764, 2838, 2870, 2871, 2872, 2888, 2888, 353, 3623, 3674, 3735, 3736, 3786, 3791, 385, 386, 3791, 385, 386, 3865, 396, 403, 4062, 4065, 4345, 4358, 448, 4523, 4622, 4628, 4719, 5026, 5151, 5243, 5922, 5923, 6413, 7123, 739
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 1, pages 119, 120 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=alh
I wonder what you guys think.
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Peace huruf ,The Sardar.
More humour with empty space
DOCTOR' Considering the weak state of your eyes, I would suggest it would be good for you to gaze into empty space.'
good logic' Thank you, Doc. I shall log in into free minds forum.
GOD bless you both.
Peace.rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl wow wow wow
The last one is looking into empty space or into a dubfounded fish I don't know which.
Salaam
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I made a mistake it was the same quranist that i had a conversation with, he was just speaking with someone else. Anyway he said this to the other person (which i will not mention his name) The name/title "G-d" belongs to a Germanic/Teutonic deity. To refer to Allah as "G-d" is shirk. No where does Allah call Himself "G-d". Before you say its just the english translation, tell me the english translation for "Muhammad" (s). There isn't one, and there is no translation for Allah.
Then he said To refer to Allah as "G-d" is a metaphor likening Allah to a false deity, the transliteration of is "Allah". There's no way to get G-o-d out of
People also ask
What is the meaning of the word transliteration?
verb. 1. (transitive) to transcribe (a word, etc, in one alphabet) into corresponding letters of another alphabet. does not correspond with "G-0-D".In Qur'an He calls Himself , no where does he refer to Himself as "G-0-D". Many Muslims have fallen in the trap of using this false name, in order to gain acceptance from Judaeo-Christians.
Next he said "G-d" is the name/title of a false deity. Then he showed the picture that i shown in the first page
https//scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19424284_10209442930254605_5371361913832599540_n.jpg?oh=a449942d890e95c0b166a54766d355d8&oe=59C85468
Then i spoke to him If Allah (SWT) is not God then what is he? Allah called himself Lord of the worlds? Forgive me but your promoting athiesm are you? This is getting confusing i hope im not being decieved. By the way i dont see God bound by any religion nor Judeo-Christian nor worshipped but to serve God through good deeds such helping the poor, needy and opressed. And i cant speak nor read arabic by the way.
Then he responed I am NOT SAYING that is not Creator of Heavens, Earth, and Mankind, and I am NOT promoting atheism. My point is the name/title "G-d" is the name of a heathen Germanic deity. and g-d are not the same Entity/Force/Being.
Then i said Dont worry brother im not accusing you im just confused thats all. So from what i see what your saying is that Allah is the Creator of the Heavens, Earth, and Mankind but you are saying the word God is heathen. Okay interesting, sorry misunderstanding. Obviously im a monotheist but i dont worship through rituals but do service to our Beloved Unbegotten Creator. (Which he liked the comment, this on facebook by the way.)
And last i said BUT! Im not sure if you are 100% correct about word God has heathen origins. From my point of view Our Lord (SWT) is highest of the highest and there is nothing like our beloved Almighty Creator. Only Allah (SWT) can answer that question 4060 Your Lord has said, "Call upon Me and I shall respond to you. Surely, those who are too arrogant to serve Me, will enter Hell, disgraced."
And he did not responded since then.
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Just letting you know im not agreeing with him, it just made me thinking.
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i think i have a slight idea who you are talking about..
ask him is arabic is his native language? , and the reply will make you understand the worth of his claim..
if he said to you "yes" its my native language then dnt forget to ask the evidence.. some people are lazy in giving evidences..perhaps they dnt have it..
and by calling myself quranist will not make me quranist.
same goes with muslim ,christian, jew and sunni shia..you are what you believe in from core.
using a term "quranist" is dangerous the only system is islam(peacemaking) infront of God..
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But what if he shows arabic words, i cant read arabic. By the way i asked him that question now i may let you know when he responds because im not good with debating.
