What is the reason for creation?
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Let me rephrase the question. Why did God create all this, what is his reason, what does he gain? If you're answer is because he's a creator please don't write it down.
It's too stupid to believe that it's just to worship him. If your answer will be test, tell me why, what does he gain?
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Brother,
Have a look at this view,also from Qoran( Please stay with it till the end if you can)
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifllgTA2pmY
There are some details I agree with.
GOD bless you.
Peace -
Let me rephrase the question. Why did God create all this, what is his reason, what does he gain? If you're answer is because he's a creator please don't write it down.
It's too stupid to believe that it's just to worship him. If your answer will be test, tell me why, what does he gain?
Salam,
5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.
If your question will be why He created us to serve Him, then you'll have to wait until the Day of Judgement to ask God as only He knows the answer.
Salam
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Salam,
5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.
If your question will be why He created us to serve Him, then you'll have to wait until the Day of Judgement to ask God as only He knows the answer.
Salam
Do you think God needs humans and jins to serve him? If God does not need anything then why would he create people to serve him? And how are we to serve him?
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Peace Rekkd.
GOD is no need of anything!!!
You are here to choose what to do with your real self. Grow spiritually with the help of your Creator or stave your soul(real self).
Remember you are intelligent,you have the choice,are you willing to sacrifice/toil to save your real person?The purpose is for your own development. You,the real person.
Besides,you cannot change or undo your creation. Choose wisely. Choose the guidance to attain salvation.
GOD bless you.
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Do you think God needs humans and jins to serve him? If God does not need anything then why would he create people to serve him? And how are we to serve him?
God has no need of the worlds.
As I said, you'll have to save that question to God as only God knows why He created us to serve Him.
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So according to "Quran alone muslims", "Sunni/Shia muslims" and pretty much every other religion or doctrine, we are supposed to live and die believing in something and not knowing why we were created.
We know we were created to serve God. This is straightforward;
5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.
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Peace Rekkd.
May be Atheists or some other organisation know and can give you their take on it?Keep searching,after all what else can you do. Or just forget it and carry on living your life how you like.
What is your understanding/view now,by the way?
GOD bless you.
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Do you think God needs humans and jins to serve him? If God does not need anything then why would he create people to serve him? And how are we to serve him?
How to serve is already in the Quran. You can actually ask God to provide an answer. It is between you and him.
If you don't you won't get where we are coming from.
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Good Logic I still have not come to a conclusion.
Reel, why would God want servants? Does he need humans to serve him? Is he like a king on a throne waiting to be bowed down to and served women and luxury cuisine? What is serving God according to the Quran? Does God need servants?
Thus your conclusion is false!
Where am I coming from? Where is God according to you? And when I get to God, what will happen or what's the environment like?
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Let me rephrase the question. Why did God create all this, what is his reason, what does he gain? If you're answer is because he's a creator please don't write it down.
It's too stupid to believe that it's just to worship him. If your answer will be test, tell me why, what does he gain?
it is stated in the Quran, He does not gain anything.
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human being is strange creature he always think what we gain by doing this and that ?
God is not human so he does not gain anything at all isnt it? or your image of God is based on human nature.. ?when human being create things he always have BENEFIT/GAIN in his head..while creating them
its not necessary that God also think like human .. he is the one who programmed you in such away that this question comes in ur headlook what an ART he create , he actually amazed you on what you are and how you are? thats a thing to ponder but we dnt ponder on already accomplished thing otherwise God give a logical argument based on same thing
when disbeleivers ask how can we become alive when we become dust?
God replied same how you created first time... what a point to ponder actually... -
Let me rephrase the question. Why did God create all this, what is his reason, what does he gain? If you're answer is because he's a creator please don't write it down.
It's too stupid to believe that it's just to worship him. If your answer will be test, tell me why, what does he gain?
I don't understand what you want.
This is a Qur'an-based forum, you come in and ask what is the purpose of creation, but you don't want answers based on Qur'an.
Hey, what did you expect ?Please go and ask your question in a metaphysical forum, then.
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Good Logic I still have not come to a conclusion.
Reel, why would God want servants? Does he need humans to serve him? Is he like a king on a throne waiting to be bowed down to and served women and luxury cuisine? What is serving God according to the Quran? Does God need servants?
Thus your conclusion is false!
Verify what I said using an experiment.
Do everything to not serve God. Just go backward. Examples oppress humans, don't use your judgement, don't stand up for anyone, don't contribute to anything that may help the earth, cheat, make and break promises, lie, throw mud at your heart, have a very nasty psychology, don't trust your mind, be completely useless, etc. In short, vandalize yourself, others and the earth.
Where am I coming from? Where is God according to you? And when I get to God, what will happen or what's the environment like?
God is all around you. He is the sustainer aka the force responsible for motions. Once you get to God, you will start realizing how life can actually be easy and full of satisfaction. You will also realize that you do have control over what you want in life. You will be one with God. Side effects include having fear about mistakes and inability to divide humans based on race, gender, etc.
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God created logic and reason. We choose not to worship statues because we know they can't do anything. We choose not to worship jesus because we know a "God" cannot be humiliated and killed like that. We choose not to worship an animal because they are inferior to us on an intellectual level or at least on a consciousness level.
Now the Quran states God does not need anything but he created humans to serve him. Does this sentence make sense to anyone? We as mere humans cannot serve God is my conclusion. Our purpose is not to serve as we can't do that, and God does not need it.
Our purpose must be something else, people here on this forum are stuck trying to modernize the Quran and argue over small details. BUT the bigger picture, if not the most important piece of knowledge which no one here seems to think about and reflect upon is WHY ARE WE HERE!
We are born to die, everything we have, or did or accomplished will be useless once we die. People that create a purpose for themselves like building an empire, becoming wealthy, having a family are deluded of the true reality. What is the true reality, I don't know but I will find it.
Anoushirvan, I came here to reassure myself that I have made the right decision. The sectarian interpretations of the Quran will lead me nowhere, at least not to what I want to find out. To reassure myself that the way of thinking of Quran alone muslims is just like Sunni/Shia muslims just a little better.
Reel, is God in control of everything?
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The question is simpler than that concerning us. Why did God creat us? No, why in fact did God create anything? The name the Creator is His, that is, it is in God's nature self to create, just as it is inHis nature to sustain, Rabb.
In some previous discussions I held the same view as Rekk, that we cannot serve God because He does not need anything and I defended rather that we worship God rathr tha serve Him. On the other hand, spending too much time on this discussion, worship or serve is merely tos quabble about words.
The question is that God created us (and everything else, because it is in His nture. The what for? question should not arise because God does not have an end a finality a purpose. He is the Ultimate, therefore purpose is not in Him. He is indeed perfect. It is we who do have a purpose, whichever it may be.
So why God created us or what for has an answer for us as to OUR purpose, but not for God, which does not have a need for anything nor a compulsion to become something else He is not already or anything of the kind.
As to our purpose, it is clearly stated all over the Qur'an, our purpose and that of everything else to return to Him. nd our endeavour is also stated precisely in the Fatiha "Guide us to the ascending straight path, the path of those who found your favour, not that of those who found your anger nor of those who strayed.
All of us and everything will return to God, our "choice" or ossibilities is to d it the most rewarding way or to do it in more unrewarding ways. We and everythign will return to our divine source, whether we want it or not, our question is how happily or how painfully.
As to the question, serve or worship. We cannot do anything for God, but we can do something for ourselves. And the best thing we can do for ourseles is to acknowledge our nature and God's nature, that is islam, the source of peace, the accepting of Truth, al Haqq.
Salaam
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Now the Quran states God does not need anything but he created humans to serve him. Does this sentence make sense to anyone?
We as mere humans cannot serve God is my conclusion. Our purpose is not to serve as we can't do that, and God does not need it.
Many has stated 5156, i.e.
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Wama khalaqtu aljinna waal-insa illa liyaAAbudooni
And not I have created the jinn and the mankind except that they worship Me.•
If that is Allah's words who are we as humans to question Allah's words.
The problem is the term "3budu" should not be translated as 'worship' nor 'serve' as in the English sense it can be very misleading. 'Worship' is generally associated with 'idol-worship'.
I believe '3budu' is something like 'subsumption' and then 'alignment' to the ONE Being, i.e. Allah.
• Subsumption to include or place within something larger or more comprehensive encompass as a subordinate or component element.
https//www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subsume•
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Peace Rekkd,All.
GOD uses a lot of words in Qoran that require us to use our intellect ,effort and all our faculties to try and figure this question out.
Words like knowledge,reflect,ponder,think,check,intelligence,investigate,learn from experience of those before you,patience...Notice how GOD poses more questions to us ,GOD wants each individual to start the journey ,led by GOD,in submission to GOD,and carries on that journey to attain wisdom so that some of the questions can be answered with the experience through moving on this path .
We,out of impatience want some answers that will not make sense to us at the wrong time of our journey. How can you get to the end without starting at the beginning and taking the journey in the right steps?
Each one of us needs to search for their own purpose,through hard work,toiling,instinct,relying on GOD Alone and being patient.
To summarise,,true knowledge and the true path to finding your true purpose is first and foremost to acknowledge the Creator,rely on Him Alone and sincerely start studying and pondering His message(Qoran..).
Then stay loyal and take the journey as it comes to you,through the trials of your Creator to bring out your true convictions,like are you really serious,do you stay loyal and patient,do you want to learn by listening,obeying,striving,doing your best and acquiring GOD s attributes in your life of honesty,caring,peaceful,forgiving...(traits of a true believer) to the best of your ability as human and applying them towards your fellow humans.
GOD has promised certainty for these true believers( they use their intellect,choice and perseverance/suffering/Jihad...) .
In short the path is difficult at the start up to a certain point then ,with GOD s help it becomes easy as your real self(soul) is growing more and more.
Your purpose depends on your convictions and sincerity.Do you want your Creator or other than?
Other than your Creator there is no purpose ,all is an illusion.
My own understanding. Each has his/her own purpose. Each will find out their own reason for their creation. A collective answer will be known by all of us at GOD s.
GOD bless you.
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God created logic and reason. We choose not to worship statues because we know they can't do anything. We choose not to worship jesus because we know a "God" cannot be humiliated and killed like that. We choose not to worship an animal because they are inferior to us on an intellectual level or at least on a consciousness level.
Now the Quran states God does not need anything but he created humans to serve him. Does this sentence make sense to anyone? We as mere humans cannot serve God is my conclusion. Our purpose is not to serve as we can't do that, and God does not need it.
I suppose you have the answer above. We as humans can choose. But for other creatures, this is not the case. Perhaps, that's why God "urges" us to "serve"?I also wonder whether there are other unknown things which have similar free will.
I have problem with certain official words found in the Quran. The way they are officially viewed makes it difficult to quickly understand what God actually instructs. Through practice, however, it is possible to get to real meanings.
Our purpose must be something else, people here on this forum are stuck trying to modernize the Quran and argue over small details. BUT the bigger picture, if not the most important piece of knowledge which no one here seems to think about and reflect upon is WHY ARE WE HERE!
We are born to die, everything we have, or did or accomplished will be useless once we die. People that create a purpose for themselves like building an empire, becoming wealthy, having a family are deluded of the true reality. What is the true reality, I don't know but I will find it.
I have gone through existential crisis also.
The funny thing is that once we begin to follow what is in the Quran and know God the idea that we won't live forever becomes a great strength for self determination and progress because the mind is no more worried about worldly things like rejection, shyness and the ability to be lazy.
It goes something like this "So what if someone laughed at me? So what if a person hates me? I am here to just do my part and get out when the call comes".
Reel, is God in control of everything?
God is certainly in control of everything. But you can tell him how you want it in your life.