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Study of 31:6: Spreading/upholding hadith --> Not taking the hereafter seriously

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    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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    I was reading 316 carefully and made an interesting observation that many translators either miss or fail to properly convey in their translation.

    316 But among people, there are those who invest their time in baseless hadith, so as to lead those without knowledge away from the path of God, making mockery of it (feminine singular.) For such there is a humiliating punishment in store.

    The question is, if we read backwards from the feminine singular it, which is the first feminine singluar noun that is used? In fact it is in 314 and is "al akhira"/the hereafter. This fits perfectly since it complements the "humiliating punishment" in the hereafter.

    When we read on we see

    317 When Our signs are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he did not hear them, as if there is deafness in his ears. So announce to him a humiliating punishment.

    Indeed, they don't care about the message of The Reading serve God alone and dont accept the hadith teachings, stories of so-called "ulema," clergy, etc.

    Very similar to this

    6112-114 We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications. That is so the minds of those who do not acknowledge the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will. Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

    The reaction of those people described in 316-7 is similar to those who do not want to discard the teachings/hadith outside of The Reading for their deen/system/way of life/obligation. They turn their backs - similar as described in 317. See here

    1746 We place shields over their minds, that they should not understand it, and deafness in their ears. If you mention your Lord in the Quran alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion. We are fully aware of what they are listening to when they are listening to you, and when they conspire secretly the wicked say, "You are but following a bewitched man!" See how they cite the examples for you. They have gone astray, and cannot come to the path. They said, "When we are bones and fragments, will we then be resurrected as a new creation?"

    Again we can see they are averse to the hereafter. It's all connected.

    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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      Shame no one actually touches the somewhat obvious aspect of reincarnation depicted in 1746-52. People would rather discuss talking ants than this.

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        Mazhar
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        I was reading 316 carefully and made an interesting observation that many translators either miss or fail to properly convey in their translation.

        316 But among people, there are those who invest their time in baseless hadith, so as to lead those without knowledge away from the path of God, making mockery of it (feminine singular.) For such there is a humiliating punishment in store.

        The question is, if we read backwards from the feminine singular it, which is the first feminine singluar noun that is used? In fact it is in 314 and is "al akhira"/the hereafter. This fits perfectly since it complements the "humiliating punishment" in the hereafter.

        When we read on we see

        317 When Our signs are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he did not hear them, as if there is deafness in his ears. So announce to him a humiliating punishment.

        Indeed, they don't care about the message of The Reading serve God alone and dont accept the hadith teachings, stories of so-called "ulema," clergy, etc.

        Very similar to this

        6112-114 We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications. That is so the minds of those who do not acknowledge the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will. Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

        The reaction of those people described in 316-7 is similar to those who do not want to discard the teachings/hadith outside of The Reading for their deen/system/way of life/obligation. They turn their backs - similar as described in 317. See here

        1746 We place shields over their minds, that they should not understand it, and deafness in their ears. If you mention your Lord in the Quran alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion. We are fully aware of what they are listening to when they are listening to you, and when they conspire secretly the wicked say, "You are but following a bewitched man!" See how they cite the examples for you. They have gone astray, and cannot come to the path. They said, "When we are bones and fragments, will we then be resurrected as a new creation?"

        Again we can see they are averse to the hereafter. It's all connected.

        The feminine pronoun is referent for Sabil preceding it in the Ayah.

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          The feminine pronoun is referent for Sabil preceding it in the Ayah.

          According to Quranix.org that noun is masculine.

          And as an aside Shabbir Ahmed interpreted "it" as "Quran."

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            You can read from this post onwards
            https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602305.msg279504#msg279504

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              I was reading 316 carefully and made an interesting observation that many translators either miss or fail to properly convey in their translation.

              316 But among people, there are those who invest their time in baseless hadith, so as to lead those without knowledge away from the path of God, making mockery of it (feminine singular.) For such there is a humiliating punishment in store.

              The question is, if we read backwards from the feminine singular it, which is the first feminine singluar noun that is used? In fact it is in 314 and is "al akhira"/the hereafter. This fits perfectly since it complements the "humiliating punishment" in the hereafter.

              When we read on we see

              317 When Our signs are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he did not hear them, as if there is deafness in his ears. So announce to him a humiliating punishment.

              Indeed, they don't care about the message of The Reading serve God alone and dont accept the hadith teachings, stories of so-called "ulema," clergy, etc.

              Very similar to this

              6112-114 We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications. That is so the minds of those who do not acknowledge the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will. Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

              The unfortunate truth is that the one I highlighted in red is done by some Quran followers also when it comes to those hadiths. This makes me quite worried about how that would ruin the reputation of the people of Quran who reject all of Bukharism.

              The reaction of those people described in 316-7 is similar to those who do not want to discard the teachings/hadith outside of The Reading for their deen/system/way of life/obligation. They turn their backs - similar as described in 317. See here

              1746 We place shields over their minds, that they should not understand it, and deafness in their ears. If you mention your Lord in the Quran alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion. We are fully aware of what they are listening to when they are listening to you, and when they conspire secretly the wicked say, "You are but following a bewitched man!" See how they cite the examples for you. They have gone astray, and cannot come to the path. They said, "When we are bones and fragments, will we then be resurrected as a new creation?"

              Again we can see they are averse to the hereafter. It's all connected.

              Traditionalists had to play around with words in 1746.
              Actual translation https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599094.0

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                According to Quranix.org that noun is masculine.

                And as an aside Shabbir Ahmed interpreted "it" as "Quran."

                No, it is feminine. Cross check from 655 where it is subject of feminine verb.

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