Sanaa Quran no diatrical marks and vowel points, Syriac-Aramaic crossover
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Iblees was asked to do something by God, but he rejected. Same is true for the people in 28-19.
First of all, what you provided has nothing to do with "judge". Secondly, how can word abbaa (father/conciever/originator) mean 'He' and 'rejected'/'refused'?
Wa iz qulnaa lilmalaaa'i katis judoo liAadama fasajadooo illaaa Ibleesa abaa wastakbara wa kaana minal kaafireen
Someone needs to analyze 217. The translation isn't making any sense to me.
Just like majority of the Qur'an in its current form makes no practical sense.
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Peace Makaveli.
The verb" Abba" means refused/did not accept...And similar meanings .Itshould not be confused with the noun "Abbi" which is my father.Similarly in the verse about responsibility" Inna aradna Al Amanata... Fa Abbawayna An Yahmilnaha...etc i.e they refused to accept the responsibility...Wa hamalaha Al Insaan... But the human accepted it...
GOD bless you.
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Peace Makaveli.
The verb" Abba" means refused/did not accept...And similar meanings .Itshould not be confused with the noun "Abbi" which is my father.Similarly in the verse about responsibility" Inna aradna Al Amanata... Fa Abbawayna An Yahmilnaha...etc i.e they refused to accept the responsibility...Wa hamalaha Al Insaan... But the human accepted it...
GOD bless you.
Peace.Where is HE refused? It says save for Iblees he/who refused. That narrative is not possible with such grammar . And why is he kafiirun in the end?
Actually abba is father. In order for that to be he refused/rejected, there has to be a diacritic mark added which of course was added later on.
What is Eebles? Why not give him an English definition without having to parrot arabic word?
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What can I say brother?
At least check it . You are insisting on what is 100 % wrong and you are mixing words , verbs and meanings of clear and simple Arabic.
GOD bless you.
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What can I say brother?
At least check it . You are insisting on what is 100 % wrong and you are mixing words , verbs and meanings of clear and simple Arabic.
GOD bless you.
Peace.I did check it and is clearly father. You did not answer my other questions, who is Eebles, why not call him Satan or Serpent or some other fancy word that would be more native to your tongue rather than parroting araic word, why is refered to al-kafiirun, when such is clearly not the case, as not only does he acknowledge God, he also talks to him and is given postponement until the DOJ.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy9rLHL5iVQ
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First of all, what you provided has nothing to do with "judge". Secondly, how can word abbaa (father/conciever/originator) mean 'He' and 'rejected'/'refused'?
Wa iz qulnaa lilmalaaa'i katis judoo liAadama fasajadooo illaaa Ibleesa abaa wastakbara wa kaana minal kaafireen
Just like majority of the Qur'an in its current form makes no practical sense.
Try practicing what is in the Book to see what these things mean. "Signs" float everywhere!!!!! You will have your answer. That's one of the reasons why we do not quit.
Weird God... and He supposed to be All-Controlling and All-Powerful...
Yet he lost control over somebody called Iblees and also puny and primitive primate named human?From my POV
When the True God wants anything to do something then It/He/She will do it...
Or in other words everything that's done by anything it's 100% in accordance to His plan...The natural forces/laws are already programmed.
It is for us to face the consequence of the choice we make. The consequences are part of the natural forces/laws.
Ever experienced that "I told you, but you didn't listen and now suffer" moment?
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Makaveli,the verb "Abba" is not the same as the noun "Ab/Abi..."
Please do not confuse the two. The verb "Abba" means ;refuse,disobey,does not want to ,rebel,... For example1877
So they went. When they reached a certain community, they asked the people for food, but they refused to host them. Soon, they found a wall about to collapse, and he fixed it. He said, "You could have demanded a wage for that!"
Iblees/Satan, for me is a rebellious Jinn .
GOD bless you
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Makaveli,the verb "Abba" is not the same as the noun "Ab/Abi..."
Please do not confuse the two. The verb "Abba" means ;refuse,disobey,does not want to ,rebel,... For example1877
So they went. When they reached a certain community, they asked the people for food, but they refused to host them. Soon, they found a wall about to collapse, and he fixed it. He said, "You could have demanded a wage for that!"
Iblees/Satan, for me is a rebellious Jinn .
GOD bless you
PeaceI already gave you an example how is the same as in normal Arabic. And how the combination of and can give you "He refuses" instead of something else?
What is jinn specifically? Explain it in English, every Semitic word has its meaning.
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OK,here is the verse;234
When we said to the angels, "Usjudu before Adam," they Sajadu, except Satan; he refused, was too arrogant, and of those who disbelieve/rebel/disobey GOD.
I am afraid I have to leave it here,I am repeating myself. It is up to you how you take it now.
GOD bless you.
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OK,here is the verse;234
When we said to the angels, "Usjudu before Adam," they Sajadu, except Satan; he refused, was too arrogant, and of those who disbelieve/rebel/disobey GOD.
I am afraid I have to leave it here,I am repeating myself. It is up to you how you take it now.
I know that the verse says, it makes no sense, like I said, there can be another translation to this. You did not have to copy-paste it. Where is your prove Eebles is satan? There is no such word in any semitic tradition as Iblees that would indicate the devil, and there is another word for shaytan too. And why is he kafiirun when he clearly talks to God and is given permission to be what he is from God?
I do know what the verse means. I just want you to think.
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If it makes no sense to you brother,then that is fine by me.
I was highlighting the word "Abba" as a verb and it does not mean father .Apart from that,I have no issues with iblees being satan. As far as my study confirms for me.
I also have no issue with Iblees given permission to be what he wants to be. You and I and all the humans have also been given permission to be what we wish to be in this life,GOD does not brake a covenant or a promise.
GOD bless you.
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If it makes no sense to you brother,then that is fine by me.
I was highlighting the word "Abba" as a verb and it does not mean father .Apart from that,I have no issues with iblees being satan. As far as my study confirms for me.
I also have no issue with Iblees given permission to be what he wants to be. You and I and all the humans have also been given permission to be what we wish to be in this life,GOD does not brake a covenant or a promise.
GOD bless you.
PeaceAbu, father, is root alif-ba-waw,
Aba, reject, is root alif-ba-ya
That is, two different roots, two different words, two different concepts.
Lack of knlowledge of Arabic morphology is not sin, but also it is no authority to pontificate on Qur'an "incosistencies".
Salaam
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Lack of knlowledge of Arabic morphology is not sin, but also it is no authority to pontificate on Qur'an "incosistencies".
Unless you can explain me at least one of gazzilion inconsistencies, and that should be easy enough to explain, as of why was Ibless referred as kafiirun while the qur'anic definition of kafiirun has nothing to do with the jinn-like creatures, and who exactly is iblees in accordance with the Arabic lexicons, your remark is worthless.
Adding diacritic marks which were absent to change abba to mean anything else other than father is perhaps that's what you want to believe.
I still want to hear a constructive response.
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Peace Makaveli.
You seem adamant that "Abba" in 234 means father and you also say ,quote
I do know what the verse means. I just want you to think.
We have not seen your evidence.
As far as 234 is concerned it is impossible for "Abba" to mean father in that context.So let us see what you know to test your meaning.
Thank you.
GOD bless you.
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peace, no marks necessary if nonsensical in context.
234 except Iblis refuse
1531 except Iblis refuse
20116 except Iblis refusehttps//s1.postimg.org/4h1pu5zg1b/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch20v104-117.jpg
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btw, here is also a page from Sana collection...
002031-002038 Vertical Kufi Musahif 153261B
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peace, no marks necessary if nonsensical in context.
234 except Iblis refuse
1531 except Iblis refuse
20116 except Iblis refuseYou are reading it like they would read it now, but then again, what is Iebles, why this term, unlike Satan, has no other analogous in other semitic languages, like not at all. And there is no refuse, original text said father, to make it look like refuse there needs to be specific diacritic manipulations such as hamza done above, which were added later.
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You are reading it like they would read it now, but then again, what is Iebles, why this term, unlike Satan, has no other analogous in other semitic languages, like not at all. And there is no refuse, original text said father, to make it look like refuse there needs to be specific diacritic manipulations such as hamza done above, which were added later.
peace -- one has to ponder Qur'an and read carefully "in context" and likewise " except Iblis father" is nonsensical in any language and it is obvious the command was lil'malikati/to the controllers/angels and lastly when referring to "father" following a name (one occurrence) is written with alif aba not with ya aby ...
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