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Sanaa Quran no diatrical marks and vowel points, Syriac-Aramaic crossover

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    Makaveli
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    Anyways, first you use the manual called Quran and get the result. Only then we will go over your questions or if God wills he will lead you to answers without anyone's help. You need to meet him. He can explain things better. At this point, you seem to be thinking that Islam from Quran must be as same as Talmudism and Bukharism. Trust me, things don't work like that.

    So apparently you've used your intelligence capacity to the maximum but could not explain to the slightest bit the meaning of the "defensive war" , which you apparently found in the book, which, as some may claim, contains all the answers? Well, once again, who will execute the punishment? Which political regime or ideology does Qur'an advocate? Democracy? Authoritarian liberalism/Libertarianism? Socialism? Who is going to execute the 100 lashes to one of the spouses who commits adultery? By the way, how many spouses can a person have and how many wings are there in angels (351)? Who are you going to protect yourself from ? Do you think the biblicians or the tanakh'ists will fight side by side with you as the "people of the Book"?

    Don't be silly. I asked a simple question, how is it that the so-called "defensive war" is made 'lawful' and who will decide on the war-time policy i.e. when to attack, or when to defend? Don't tell me to "trust the book", if you are sincere when you say you "understand" the message of the Qur'an, please tell me what is "defensive war" and how is the community going to 'practice' it in case of a warfare? Just one example. Were the U.S. Iraq or Afghanistan or even Syrian missions "defensive"?

    Also funny to see how you moved away from the answer by shifting to the parroting argument "if God wills". If you understand the Qur'an better, tell me .

    And please quote where I said anything about the Talmud or Bukhari. It is you who needs gazzilion of "acts and regulations", without which I do not see how your "Qur'anic system of governance" can work.

    When Quran is applied

    Means never? Give me your vision (not a step-by-step guide, since I assume you have no clue what you are talking about, or what you 'believe' in) of how are you going to destory all of the cultures so everybody will accept a single Book as their primary guidance? This is getting ridiculous already, try to impress me.

    You will know it if you actually follow the Book.

    Oh, I do know, regarding the fighting part as you already mentioned. I want you hear your reasoning, my sole purpose here is to grasp how can you defend your own arguments.

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      Noon_waalqalami
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      Who told you iblees is a noun?

      peace, yes "noun" according to Qur'an read in context it is clear...

      https//s1.postimg.org/40a6tbq2nj/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch17v57-63.jpg

      1764 and incites who are able thou among them with speech your and assault upon them with cavalry your and infantry your and partner yours in the wealth and the children and promise them and not promised them l-shaynu/the devil except delusion of 1765 indeed devotees mine not is to you upon them authority and sufficient in lord your agent of

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        HP_TECH
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        Makavelli and the rest stop going off-topic please.
        Try to remain within the scope of the OP or you may kindly start a new thread.

        Thank you

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          reel
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          Apparently, you ignored the link I posted!!!!!!

          So apparently you've used your intelligence capacity to the maximum but could not explain to the slightest bit the meaning of the "defensive war" , which you apparently found in the book, which, as some may claim, contains all the answers? Well, once again, who will execute the punishment? Which political regime or ideology does Qur'an advocate? Democracy? Authoritarian liberalism/Libertarianism? Socialism? Who is going to execute the 100 lashes to one of the spouses who commits adultery? By the way, how many spouses can a person have and how many wings are there in angels (351)? Who are you going to protect yourself from ? Do you think the biblicians or the tanakh'ists will fight side by side with you as the "people of the Book"?

          Don't be silly. I asked a simple question, how is it that the so-called "defensive war" is made 'lawful' and who will decide on the war-time policy i.e. when to attack, or when to defend? Don't tell me to "trust the book", if you are sincere when you say you "understand" the message of the Qur'an, please tell me what is "defensive war" and how is the community going to 'practice' it in case of a warfare? Just one example. Were the U.S. Iraq or Afghanistan or even Syrian missions "defensive"?

          You wanna see defensive war? Cool!!! I like it without weapons. First let us manually agree to this

          Come, let us pray with all the users here that if my position is right then it is you who will be under God's curse along with your loved ones, but if you are right it is I who will bear that curse.

          Now let's begin

          1. God mentions royal government and shura in the Quran.
            My answer True.
            Yours????

          2. God doesn't care what kind of government one may have, but he wants us to judge by the Book.
            My answer True.
            Yours????

          Also funny to see how you moved away from the answer by shifting to the parroting argument "if God wills". If you understand the Qur'an better, tell me .

          1. God told us to use "If God wills" instead of Indeed
            My answer True
            Yours ????

          And please quote where I said anything about the Talmud or Bukhari. It is you who needs gazzilion of "acts and regulations", without which I do not see how your "Qur'anic system of governance" can work.

          Means never? Give me your vision (not a step-by-step guide, since I assume you have no clue what you are talking about, or what you 'believe' in)

          1. West is more faithful to Quran than Muslim countries and this comes from studies.
            My answer True.
            Yours ????

          of how are you going to destory all of the cultures so everybody will accept a single Book as their primary guidance? This is getting ridiculous already, try to impress me.

          1. I am clueless about both public administration and Quran, yet I like to discuss them like most sectarians do about hadiths without ever going over the collection

          My answer False.
          Yours ????

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            reel
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            #85

            Makavelli and the rest stop going off-topic please.
            Try to remain within the scope of the OP or you may kindly start a new thread.

            Thank you

            Sorry about it. I actually forgot that God talks of Quran being on a protected tablet.

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              HP_TECH
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              No it's okay
              actually in the beginning and middle way through it was constructive because ideas were being exchanged

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                The_Sardar
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                No it's okay
                actually in the beginning and middle way through it was constructive because ideas were being exchanged

                Shall we continue or has it stopped?

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                  Habesha
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                  Selam,
                  I hope this could help.
                  The words 'iblis' is derived from the root word A-B-L meaning 'to break one's promise', 'to prejure' ,'to give false testimony', 'to deny falsely', etc. (T.L. Kane, Amharic-English Dictionary, 1990, page 1191). Whereas, the root word A-B-Y is translated as 'to disobey' or 'to rebel' (page 1202)

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                    huruf
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                    Iblees, root b-l-s,

                    Dispair

                    From Corpus.quran.com

                    Verb (form IV) - to despair
                    (30124) yub'lisu will (be in) despair
                    Active participle (form IV)
                    (64420) mub'lisna (were) dumbfounded
                    (237712) mub'lisna (will be in) despair
                    (304910) lamub'lisna surely in despair
                    (43756) mub'lisna (will) despair

                    Salaam

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                      The_Sardar
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                      Iblees, root b-l-s,

                      Dispair

                      From Corpus.quran.com

                      Verb (form IV) - to despair
                      (30124) yub'lisu will (be in) despair
                      Active participle (form IV)
                      (64420) mub'lisna (were) dumbfounded
                      (237712) mub'lisna (will be in) despair
                      (304910) lamub'lisna surely in despair
                      (43756) mub'lisna (will) despair

                      Salaam

                      Or Project Root List

                      Ba-Lam-Siin ( &#1587 = despair, give up hope, become broken (in spirit), mournful, become silent/confounded/perplexed unable to see right way or course, repent/grieve.

                      ablasa vb. (4)
                      impf. act. 3012
                      pcple. act. 644, 2377, 3049, 4375

                      iblis n. 234, 711, 1531, 1532, 1761, 1850, 20116, 2695, 3420, 3874, 3875

                      LL, V1, p http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000285.pdf ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=bls

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                        The_Sardar
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                        So anything more on this Syraic-Aramaic crossover claim or no?

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                          HP_TECH
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                          Savage_Carrot please lock this thread!

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